Character Discussion Yamato's Desire to Face Kaido

How will Yamato vs Kaido play out?


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KiriNigiri

The Road To Harmony
#21
Another good read, Cinpai.


Yamato’s encounter with Kaido will be far more than just an exchange of words. It’ll easily be Kaido’s most emotionally charged confrontation because of what it will reveal about both.

I think to suggest their character will settle on fighting Jack is undermining what Oda has in mind for them. They aren’t just another character for the raid, this section of the arc has almost revolved around them, what they wish for, what the future of Wano means for them, and how they intertwine the two major Wano factions: The Beast Pirates and the Samurai.

I think it’s interesting how Yamato is forced into a position and role by their father and his group, while they force onto Momo and the warriors of Wano. It’s a nice contrast. I think there is more to it.

I like to believe it reinforces the message on expectations of role and identity which surrounds them. Yamato is chastised and forced to conform to what their father wants of them, but they rebel. Their attempts of being who they want to be met with confusion and uncertainty. Of course, Oda heightens this by having them identify as Oden. To me, this is just how Yamato tries to communicate their values. They strike as very naive, even more so than Luffy, and being sheltered with little insight of the outside world, they associate certain qualities to an individual. Oden is more a representation of the type of person Yamato wants to be/have out of life. I think as they broaden their horizon, they will lessen trying to be Oden.

Maybe Kaido’s defeat is the trigger towards this growth. Oden was the only man to affect Kaido on a profound level, and that’s what Yamato uses as a means of rebellion against their father. The only source of strength against that tyrant.
 

Cinera

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#22
I think to suggest their character will settle on fighting Jack is undermining what Oda has in mind for them.
Yeah, I agree.

Yamato fighting Jack at all requires Jack to defeat Inuarashi, and to that I ask "why"? Inuarashi is the one who has an extensive grudge and narrative build-up for his conflict with Jack:
  • Jack attacked his country
  • He fought Jack for 5 Days with Nekomamushi
  • Jack laid waste to his country and his people with poison gas
  • Jack tortured him
    • He lost one of his legs to Jack's torture
  • Together with Nekomamushi, he defeated Jack in Sulong.
  • Jack sought the Dukes and Raizo out to finish things with them.
    • He specifically prevented Black Maria from going after the Scabbards so that he could deal with them himself
    • He defeated several Mink soldiers to get to them.
  • Inuarashi stayed behind to stop Jack and prevent new victims:

My God, the amount of narrative build up for Jack to be defeated at the hands of one of the Dukes is something else. And people want Oda to throw all of that away? For a fight that has zero setup? Because their headcanons do not agree with what the narrative suggests?

There has been no on panel relationship or conflict between Yamato and Jack. Why then should Oda abandon Inuarashi's narrative for that farce of a matchup?
 
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#23
Yamato is obviously going to face her father this arc, and she will obviously be a pivotal factor for Luffy winning.
Personally, I expect there to be a duo battle of Luffy + Yamato vs Kaido that lasts for an entire chapter. Maybe even 1v1ing him for a short while. I expect it to be clear by the end that she's above the level of the rooftop supernova.
That said, Yamato losing to Kaido in a really gruesome way is also almost sure to happen, and Luffy getting a rage-boost from that makes plenty of sense. The arc straw hat is never the one to defeat their villain. Moreover, a child is rarely the one to successfully beat their father, and I think that it would detract from her character if Yamato was the one who did it.

Thus, I do think that her fight with her father will end with something akin to a Rebecca moment technically, but personally, I don't think that would detract from my enjoyment of her character either.
From the moment we learned the basics about her, it had obviously been clear that Yamato was a character who was in a position where she needed help. She charismatically took charge of her circumstance and the assistance that she would typically receive, but with the brave and Oden-like stoic way in which she put it, the emotional core of her struggle hasn't actually been transferred to Luffy yet.
Yamato's loss against Kaido is clearly the place where that will be made apparent.

When the Rebecca moment finally happens, it will be earned, compelling and will empower rather than depower her.
 
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Cinera

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#24
Yamato is obviously going to face her father this arc, and she will obviously be a pivotal factor for Luffy winning.
Personally, I expect there to be a duo battle of Luffy + Yamato vs Kaido that leasts for an entire chapter. Maybe even 1v1ing him for a sort while. I expect it to be clear by the end that she's above the level of the rooftop supernova.
That said, Yamato losing to Kaido in a really gruesome way is also almost sure to happen, and Luffy getting a rage-boost from that makes plenty of sense. The arc straw hat is never the one to defeat their villain. Moreover, a child is rarely the one to successfully beat their father, and I think that it would detract from her character if Yamato was the one who did it.

Thus, I do think that her fight with her father will end with something akin to a Rebecca moment technically, but personally, I don't think that would detract from my enjoyment of her character either.
From the moment we learned the basics about her, it had obviously been clear that Yamato was a character who was in a position where she needed help. She charismatically took charge of her circumstance and the assistance that she would typically receive, but with the brave and Oden-like stoic way in which she put it, the emotional core of her struggle hasn't actually been transferred to Luffy yet.
Yamato's loss against Kaido is clearly the place where that will be made apparent.

When the Rebecca moment finally happens, it will be earned, compelling and will empower rather than depower her.
I know Yamato wouldn't defeat Kaido, but the concept of Yamato getting a Rebecca moment and begging Luffy to save her while crying is something I find physically revolting; it makes me want to puke.

Yamato begging Luffy to save her, cannot be an empowering moment. It would just be a reiteration of the Damsel in Distress trope. If that happens, it doesn't matter what Yamato did before, she would ultimately be reduced to another Princess devoid of agency and having to beg the Strawhats to save her.

It's possible to handle Yamato vs Kaido and Yamato losing without making Yamato a damsel in distress. Law vs Doflamingo is one example of how to resolve an emotionally charged conflict that was predestined for failure without disrespecting anyone.
 
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#25
A fight against Kaido is inevitable imo. The 2 have a relationship that calls for closure, especially on Yamato's side.
How will it turn out is the real question. She is obviously quite strong based on her feats and portrayal.

She will most likely deal some damage but ultimately she'll get her ass kicked quite quickly.

I have no idea how it will play out when she loses, would Kaido really try to kill his daughter? Will Luffy have to save her? Knowing Oda it might be the missing thing that will make Luffy reach that point where he fights until he wins no matter what.
 
#26
I know Yamato wouldn't defeat Kaido, but the concept of Yamato getting a Rebecca moment and begging Luffy to save her while crying is something I find physically revolting; it makes me want to puke.

Yamato begging Luffy to save her, cannot be an empowering moment. It would just be a reiteration of the Damsel in Distress trope.
I don't think it was that bad when it happened to Nami, for instance.

And I imagine that what Yamato will ultimately be telling Luffy to do, even if she's on her deathbed in this scene, would be to "bring down my father", "free Wano" and maybe "make a world where people like me can be free", rather than save her. Luffy saving her, like with Robin, will be his own choice and reading the subtext of what, deep down, Yamato needs.
If that happens, it doesn't matter what Yamato did before, she would ultimately be reduced to another Princess devoid of agency and having to beg the Strawhats to save her.

It's possible to handle Yamato vs Kaido and Yamato losing without making Yamato a damsel in distress. Law vs Doflamingo is one example of how to resolve an emotionally charged conflict that was predestined for failure without disrespecting anyone.
Well yeah, but the result of Law vs Doflamingo wasn't so emotionally charged due to Law's attempt at stoicism. If Yamato's moment is only that dry, then she'll end up taken out significantly before Kaido's defeat, since she'll be unable to play the role of an emotional heart to the arc.

Yamato needing help and ultimately admitting it out loud is also so heavily foreshadowed that it could be argued as being this arc's narrative climax. Oden's singular defining character flaw was his inability to ask for help in a time of crisis, that, rather than any other choices he made, spelled doom for Wano. Until Yamato, who is literally Oden 2.0, asks for help officially and emotionally, I don't think this arc can end and I don't think that Wano can be saved. Momonosuke asking for help was a start, but he wasn't the one who represented the spirit of his father, Yamato is.
 
#27
Nice thread, still, a very obvious one. I expect her to help Luffy out, however, I don't think that it is going to be a hell of a game changer, it is going to be helpful nonetheless.
 
#29
I hope yamato joins the strawhat, but if she performs to well against kaido that means she ain't joining the sh, but becoming the protector of wano since the WG might have their eyes on wano.
 

Cinera

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#30
I hope yamato joins the strawhat, but if she performs to well against kaido that means she ain't joining the sh, but becoming the protector of wano since the WG might have their eyes on wano.
I don't really understand this argument I guess? She wants to go out to see. That's what she told Luffy.

She would have loved to go with Ace but couldn't because of the shackles Kaido placed on her.

I don't think she'll remain in Wano. Her story is a tale of someone involuntarily imprisoned for 20 years. You're saying that she'll choose to voluntarily imprison herself when she's finally free?
 
#31
I don't really understand this argument I guess? She wants to go out to see. That's what she told Luffy.

She would have loved to go with Ace but couldn't because of the shackles Kaido placed on her.

I don't think she'll remain in Wano. Her story is a tale of someone involuntarily imprisoned for 20 years. You're saying that she'll choose to voluntarily imprison herself when she's finally free?
They are saying that probably because they don't want to see Sanji leaving the MT, either that, or they don't want to see Zoro and Luffy leaving to form the demon duo.
 
#33
As much as i hate Yamato
But i believe shes is one of the 9 shadows in toki prophecy

The final battle will be 9 people vs kaido
Luffy
Zoro
Kid
Yamato
Law
Drake
Killer
Sanji
Jimbei


Maybe olin will somehow weakened kaido too
 

Cinera

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#34
As much as i hate Yamato
But i believe shes is one of the 9 shadows in toki prophecy

The final battle will be 9 people vs kaido
Luffy
Zoro
Kid
Yamato
Law
Drake
Killer
Sanji
Jimbei


Maybe olin will somehow weakened kaido too
That really sounds like overkill to me. I think the 9 Shadows could have only referred to the Scabbards, as it was 9 Shadows interwoven through time.
 
#38
Who gives a shit about Yamato bro
ZKK >>> Oden wanna be Cartoon
Zoro was ordered by his captain to go down from the rooftop
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anyways, this fight will probably happen. Yamato will be revealed to have a white tiger mythical zoan which allows her to match the power of the dragon, this fight will lead to a kaido flashback, and will end with a "think, mark, think" moment
 
#39
Zoro was ordered by his captain to go down from the rooftop
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anyways, this fight will probably happen. Yamato will be revealed to have a white tiger mythical zoan which allows her to match the power of the dragon, this fight will lead to a kaido flashback, and will end with a "think, mark, think" moment
Zoros captain is a retard and needs to be carried by Zoro
 
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