Questions & Mysteries Why top tiers can't turn their blades black?

[Inspector_Mu]

I think it's because guys like Rayleigh and Shanks simply think of their swords as a tool and nothing more. Zoro treats his swords like they're an extension of himself. Almost like they're sentient beings that require respect.

Rayleigh/Shanks are probably not as dedicated or attached to their blades. Mihawk is probably more in line with Zoro, almost worshipping his blade (Zoro gave his sword a proper burial ffs).

I would assume Oden is of a similar mould so it's interesting that he didn't turn his blade black. Perhaps telling of how difficult a task it is even for the most dedicated swordsman.

I just don't think Shanks or Rayleigh are as dedicated, not that they aren't "strong" enough to achieve it, they're portrayed as haki monsters. But it means a lot that even they haven't done it. This likely means it's too difficult of a task to pull off if your focus isn't completely on achieving it, and for them it might not be worth the trouble of even focusing on, as they can get results in their own manner by focusing in other areas (CoO, CoC, and other implementations of CoA).

People don't wanna think like this
Thet believe black blade is due to haki mastery only

While it is due to going through many battles...

For me there are 2 types of swordmen : those that focus only on swordmanship (they became one with their blades and wants to be the best swordman ) : Mihawk zoro... and those that aren't really focused : Rayleigh Shanks Oden..

And you have the 3rd type which are the non swordmen even tho they can use a blade and some techniques: BM WB kizaru...

 

[Shura]

So the black part is permanent haki clad if it is just being master of haki??

Let us wait for more info before jumping the guns.

For most of the top tiers weapons are mere tools. There PL won't change much even without weapon. But for swordsman, swords are everything and creating black blade is related to reaching the pinnacle of swordsmanship. So far nothing stated that making Black blade is related to haki only (remind me if I am wrong).

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

I think it's because guys like Rayleigh and Shanks simply think of their swords as a tool and nothing more. Zoro treats his swords like they're an extension of himself. Almost like they're sentient beings that require respect.

Rayleigh/Shanks are probably not as dedicated or attached to their blades. Mihawk is probably more in line with Zoro, almost worshipping his blade (Zoro gave his sword a proper burial ffs).

I would assume Oden is of a similar mould so it's interesting that he didn't turn his blade black. Perhaps telling of how difficult a task it is even for the most dedicated swordsman.

I just don't think Shanks or Rayleigh are as dedicated, not that they aren't "strong" enough to achieve it, they're portrayed as haki monsters. But it means a lot that even they haven't done it. This likely means it's too difficult of a task to pull off if your focus isn't completely on achieving it, and for them it might not be worth the trouble of even focusing on, as they can get results in their own manner by focusing in other areas (CoO, CoC, and other implementations of CoA).

This makes sense. A certain level of respect towards the weapon is probably required for this feat. Having said that, Mihawk having better or more advanced CoA than Shanks or Rayleigh is not surprising tbh.

The more important question is what is the use of a permanent black blade

 

[HA001]

You think so? I think it's wishful thinking to believe Shanks and Rayleigh, two top tiers presented as haki specialists, who are top tiers precisely because of their haki mastery, apparently don't have adequate enough haki control or mastery. Read that last bit out loud so you know how ridiculous it sounds, now imagine believing something as brainless as that, now imagine that person is you right now lmao.

People don't wanna think like this
Thet believe black blade is due to haki mastery only

While it is due to going through many battles...

For me there are 2 types of swordmen : those that focus only on swordmanship (they became one with their blades and wants to be the best swordman ) : Mihawk zoro... and those that aren't really focused : Rayleigh Shanks Oden..

And you have the 3rd type which are the non swordmen even tho they can use a blade and some techniques: BM WB kizaru...

Wanna explain how the self proclaimed samurai wano native from the land of the swordsman oden ends up in the other category ?

 

[SHIHI]

Wanna explain how the self proclaimed samurai wano native from the land of the swordsman oden ends up in the other category ?

Maybe Oden haki wasn’t strong enough, this doesn’t apply to Shanks though who mastered all forms of haki to their full potential.

 

[HA001]

Maybe Oden haki wasn’t strong enough, this doesn’t apply to Shanks though who mastered all forms of haki to their full potential.

It was good enough to clash with primebeard and cut kaido open.

 

[Rivaille]

who mastered all forms of haki to their full potential.

We do not know that.

 

[Finalbeta]

Maybe turning a blade black also requires a particular technique and not just raw Haki power

 

[trav]

it may be a time constraint.

or maybe you can only turn your blade black by defeating another black blade.
"surpass me, surpass this blade, roronoa"

thats why shanks does not have one :-)

 

[ZoroGang]

You think so? I think it's wishful thinking to believe Shanks and Rayleigh, two top tiers presented as haki specialists, who are top tiers precisely because of their haki mastery, apparently don't have adequate enough haki control or mastery. Read that last bit out loud so you know how ridiculous it sounds, now imagine believing something as brainless as that, now imagine that person is you right now lmao.

Or maybe rayleigh and shanks are not as strong as the strongest swordsman in the world. Which is the simplest most logical conclusion

 

[Zowo]

Wanna explain how the self proclaimed samurai wano native from the land of the swordsman oden ends up in the other category ?

oden isn t a swordsman :cheers:

 

[ZenZu]

Wanna explain how the self proclaimed samurai wano native from the land of the swordsman oden ends up in the other category ?

You quoted the wrong person because I put him in Mihawk and Zoro's category.

 

[HA001]

You quoted the wrong person because I put him in Mihawk and Zoro's category.

How strong do you think oden is ?

 

[MarineHQ]

I think the secrets to creating a black blade will be revealed in Wano anyways

 

[Finalbeta]

oden isn t a swordsman :cheers:

He is a man of swords

 

[ZenZu]

How strong do you think oden is ?

I think what you're looking for is already in my first post. Don't know how you missed it.

I would assume Oden is of a similar mould so it's interesting that he didn't turn his blade black. Perhaps telling of how difficult a task it is even for the most dedicated swordsman.

Oden seems to be a top tier.

 

[HA001]

I think what you're looking for is already in my first post. Don't know how you missed it.



Oden seems to be a top tier.

Thats fair. Tbh i dont kmow why you were even quoted to begin with it was for noodle.

 

[Shiroyru]

They don't have Mihawk's mastery of Haki. Most Yonkos are freaks of nature, including Blackbeard who can eat multiple DFs. Mihawk is a Haki master, surpassing even Shanks.

Only other guy to achieve this feat, was a legendary fighter hundreds of years ago.



He literally said it's the world strongest blade... It wasn't really hiding. It was just people ignoring it.

Lmao Mihawk does not have better Haki than Shanks. I’d bet that even Shanks’ CoA is better tbh

 

[Zowo]

Lmao Mihawk does not have better Haki than Shanks.

what haki shanks showed?
breaking some wood

 

[HA001]

Lmao Mihawk does not have better Haki than Shanks. I’d bet that even Shanks’ CoA is better tbh

Wheres shanks black blade ?