Current Events Why Zoro won't face Kaido again

[Monkey D Theories]

This should honestly be obvious but with the amount of zoro fans in this site, I feel like I might as well enlighten some of y'all. There are two major reasons why zoro can't return to the rooftop.

1. It would be out of Zoro's character
2. Zoro physically can't fight Kaido again

for the first one. Luffy told Zoro that he would win and ordered zoro to go to the lower levels. Zoro going to face kaido, even though Luffy did lose, would mean that zoro would have lost faith in his captain. After all he and Luffy have been through, does that even make sense? Zoro is portrayed as Luffy's most loyal crewmember, why on earth would zoro disobey a direct order given to him by his captain?

But even if we disregard that, there's still another problem. Zoro's health. Zoro wasn't simply defeated like Luffy or the scabbards. He sustained serious, near fatal injuries. He gave every last bit of energy he had to pull off the asura slash on kaido. Yes, he could be healed, but to what extent? Marco's flames can heal injuries, but they also drain stamina and aren't as effective when used on other people. Chopper and Hiyori could also patch him up but he's not going to be in any shape to take on kaido. And even if he was, why would he do that when his captain literally told him to stay out of it?

If I were to bet, I'd say Zoro's role is something like this. He heals up until the climax, to which he takes a shot at orochi and finishes up King, who will be stalled by kawamatsu and izo up until zoro is ready to face him.

As for Kaido? I think he gets stalled by Yamato and Marco. For Yamato specifically, I think that their fight would be something like the Omni-man/Invincible fight. Kaido won't actually want to kill his daughter, so he will hold back, whereas Yamato will give everything she has trying to fulfill the will of Oden.

 

[Fuckthis3]

So basically you wrong

 

[Mr.9000]

So you think just cuz Zoro is hurt now, he cant compete ever again this arc against Kaido. Im sorry to break it to you, but youre wrong. You start off with a point, that you later debunked because Luffy is KO'd falling to his death. If Zoro wouldve saw Luffy defeat, he wouldnt had said Luffy would win. Kaido states this

 

[stairs-kun]

We wait for me to post this ""

 

[spawn]

Luffy told Zoro that he would win and ordered zoro to go to the lower levels. Zoro going to face kaido, even though Luffy did lose, would mean that zoro would have lost faith in his captain. After all he and Luffy have been through, does that even make sense? Zoro is portrayed as Luffy's most loyal crewmember, why on earth would zoro disobey a direct order given to him by his captain?

Luffy says the following:

Spoiler

"I'm going up to take out Kaido!!! You guys handle the rest!! Watch my back!!"

Zoro hears it... Then Zoro later says:

Spoiler

And we later see Zoro fighting Kaido on the rooftop.
What's up with that??

Chopper and Hiyori could also patch him up but he's not going to be in any shape to take on kaido

This doesn't make much sense: it's just a matter of how much Zoro will recover by the time he faces Kaido versus how injured Kaido will be. Your assumptions on both of these things are why you think it can't happen.

And even if he was, why would he do that when his captain literally told him to stay out of it?

Spoiler

Luffy simply tells Law and Zoro that they don't have to protect him and worry about his safety anymore because he figured out something. If Luffy were ever in the need of protection this arc, they would gladly help him again. There's no strict order forbidding them from ever getting involved against Kaido.

If I were to bet, I'd say Zoro's role is something like this. He heals up until the climax, to which he takes a shot at orochi and finishes up King, who will be stalled by kawamatsu and izo up until zoro is ready to face him.

So, you want a healed up Zoro to go up against Orochi, who keep in mind only has 1 head remaining, and not have anything conclusive done? The reason I say nothing conclusive is because it's rather obvious Zoro will not kill Orochi (since Ame-no-Habakiri exists) and given how easily the scabbards beheaded Orochi, I don't see why all of a sudden a healed up Zoro would not be able to perform what they did.
Then, after this Orochi stuff, you want Zoro's "big moment" of the arc to be him finishing King, someone who has been completely irrelevant to the arc?
I don't count out the possibility of Zoro getting the last blow on King, but to say that that's his "big" involvement in the arc is hilarious. Not sure why Oda would massively downgrade Zoro's objective from Kaido to King.

Lastly, keep in mind that this isn't a 'Zoro fan' thing. It's just a matter of how objective you are concerning Zoro this arc.

 

[Chocolatemuppet]

Can’t wait to return to this thread in a couple of months

 

[h_zorothegoat]

Luffy says the following:

Spoiler

"I'm going up to take out Kaido!!! You guys handle the rest!! Watch my back!!"

Zoro hears it... Then Zoro later says:

Spoiler

And we later see Zoro fighting Kaido on the rooftop.
What's up with that??


This doesn't make much sense: it's just a matter of how much Zoro will recover by the time he faces Kaido versus how injured Kaido will be. Your assumptions on both of these things are why you think it can't happen.

Spoiler

Luffy simply tells Law and Zoro that they don't have to protect him and worry about his safety anymore because he figured out something. If Luffy were ever in the need of protection this arc, they would gladly help him again. There's no strict order forbidding them from ever getting involved against Kaido.

So, you want a healed up Zoro to go up against Orochi, who keep in mind only has 1 head remaining, and not have anything conclusive done? The reason I say nothing conclusive is because it's rather obvious Zoro will not kill Orochi (since Ame-no-Habakiri exists) and given how easily the scabbards beheaded Orochi, I don't see why all of a sudden a healed up Zoro would not be able to perform what they did.
Then, after this Orochi stuff, you want Zoro's "big moment" of the arc to be him finishing King, someone who has been completely irrelevant to the arc?
I don't count out the possibility of Zoro getting the last blow on King, but to say that that's his "big" involvement in the arc is hilarious. Not sure why Oda would massively downgrade Zoro's objective from Kaido to King.

Lastly, keep in mind that this isn't a 'Zoro fan' thing. It's just a matter of how objective you are concerning Zoro this arc.

I agree with everything you said

 

[Abysmal]

In Sabody, half dead pre-TS Zoro made Pacifista bleed bruh people here be smoking. He'd face god himself if he wants to.

 

[Zolo]

In Sabody, half dead pre-TS Zoro made Pacifista bleed bruh people here be smoking. He'd face god himself if he wants to.

he allready did

 

[The White Crane]

This should honestly be obvious but with the amount of zoro fans in this site, I feel like I might as well enlighten some of y'all. There are two major reasons why zoro can't return to the rooftop.

1. It would be out of Zoro's character
2. Zoro physically can't fight Kaido again

for the first one. Luffy told Zoro that he would win and ordered zoro to go to the lower levels. Zoro going to face kaido, even though Luffy did lose, would mean that zoro would have lost faith in his captain. After all he and Luffy have been through, does that even make sense? Zoro is portrayed as Luffy's most loyal crewmember, why on earth would zoro disobey a direct order given to him by his captain?

But even if we disregard that, there's still another problem. Zoro's health. Zoro wasn't simply defeated like Luffy or the scabbards. He sustained serious, near fatal injuries. He gave every last bit of energy he had to pull off the asura slash on kaido. Yes, he could be healed, but to what extent? Marco's flames can heal injuries, but they also drain stamina and aren't as effective when used on other people. Chopper and Hiyori could also patch him up but he's not going to be in any shape to take on kaido. And even if he was, why would he do that when his captain literally told him to stay out of it?

If I were to bet, I'd say Zoro's role is something like this. He heals up until the climax, to which he takes a shot at orochi and finishes up King, who will be stalled by kawamatsu and izo up until zoro is ready to face him.

As for Kaido? I think he gets stalled by Yamato and Marco. For Yamato specifically, I think that their fight would be something like the Omni-man/Invincible fight. Kaido won't actually want to kill his daughter, so he will hold back, whereas Yamato will give everything she has trying to fulfill the will of Oden.

With the amount of senselessness in your theories, you ought to rename yourself "Monkey D. Wrong Theories."

 

[Nghuutinh99]

needless to say this man

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

Is this one of the guys that says Zoro won't face kaido before ch 1000?

 

[Finalbeta]

No.

It's true that Zoro poses a lot of trust into his captain since the ancient times, and he claimed specific words. But if Luffy won't keep faith to his promise, not only ZKK will most likely occur (that is valid independently since Luffy never killed if not inadvertenly, and Kaido would probably prefer to reach perfection in death like he suggested death was about rather than being imprisoned for life, and Yamato should not off him presumably too), but I can glimpse him defeating Kaido too.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

So, you want a healed up Zoro to go up against Orochi, who keep in mind only has 1 head remaining, and not have anything conclusive done? The reason I say nothing conclusive is because it's rather obvious Zoro will not kill Orochi (since Ame-no-Habakiri exists) and given how easily the scabbards beheaded Orochi, I don't see why all of a sudden a healed up Zoro would not be able to perform what they did.
Then, after this Orochi stuff, you want Zoro's "big moment" of the arc to be him finishing King, someone who has been completely irrelevant to the arc?
I don't count out the possibility of Zoro getting the last blow on King, but to say that that's his "big" involvement in the arc is hilarious. Not sure why Oda would massively downgrade Zoro's objective from Kaido to King.

Lastly, keep in mind that this isn't a 'Zoro fan' thing. It's just a matter of how objective you are concerning Zoro this arc.

Zoro already had his big moment against kaido, he failed and is entrusting Luffy to win. Why is him beating king after already surviving hakai and scarring kaido not enough?

 

[sanjiskye]

Kaido will come to everyone to declare his victory over Luffy.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

So you think just cuz Zoro is hurt now, he cant compete ever again this arc against Kaido. Im sorry to break it to you, but youre wrong. You start off with a point, that you later debunked because Luffy is KO'd falling to his death. If Zoro wouldve saw Luffy defeat, he wouldnt had said Luffy would win. Kaido states this

Kaido says that without proof of Luffy's death, they won't ever lose faith in him, and does he have proof of Luffy's death?

yeah, I say he's out because he's not simply hurt, he's literally broken all of his bones and extended all of his stamina. You can't just sleep it off, even with marco, his flames aren't as effective when used on other people and they are said to drain stamina, which zoro just burned through.

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One last thing, zoro fighting kaido again undercuts a major thematic element of this arc, which is having faith/loyalty to one's captain
As kaido said, if not shown proof of Luffy's death, the alliance's faith in Luffy will never die.

Zoro vs Kaido would undercut this in several ways. The first would be that Zoro lost faith that Luffy will return to beat kaido, as Luffy explicitly told him he would win. The second would be that, especially if you believe in ZKK or that zoro does something that tops the scar he already gave kaido, it would undercut the narrative of the alliance needing to have faith in Luffy. If zoro can beat Kaido or can severely cripple him, then why does the alliance even need to have faith in Luffy when they can have faith in zoro instead?

I think Yamato and Marco stall kaido until Luffy arrives. And I specifically use the word stall. Neither of them can do anything to kaido. Rather, Marco can simply eat kaido's hits until his regen fails and Kaido won't or will be highly reluctant to kill Yamato since she's his daughter.

 

[Broreo]

bruh your so wrong.
1 there are many ways zoro can fight or kill kaido without going back to the roof but i have said this on this site so many times i wont do it again



2 so zoro cant fight kaido again because he was defeated like the scabards and luffy???
so how the fuck are the scabards fighting again and are you trying to say luffy wont fight kaido this arc anymore?

think before making a thread bruh

 

[Geo]

C

This should honestly be obvious but with the amount of zoro fans in this site, I feel like I might as well enlighten some of y'all. There are two major reasons why zoro can't return to the rooftop.

1. It would be out of Zoro's character
2. Zoro physically can't fight Kaido again

for the first one. Luffy told Zoro that he would win and ordered zoro to go to the lower levels. Zoro going to face kaido, even though Luffy did lose, would mean that zoro would have lost faith in his captain. After all he and Luffy have been through, does that even make sense? Zoro is portrayed as Luffy's most loyal crewmember, why on earth would zoro disobey a direct order given to him by his captain?

But even if we disregard that, there's still another problem. Zoro's health. Zoro wasn't simply defeated like Luffy or the scabbards. He sustained serious, near fatal injuries. He gave every last bit of energy he had to pull off the asura slash on kaido. Yes, he could be healed, but to what extent? Marco's flames can heal injuries, but they also drain stamina and aren't as effective when used on other people. Chopper and Hiyori could also patch him up but he's not going to be in any shape to take on kaido. And even if he was, why would he do that when his captain literally told him to stay out of it?

If I were to bet, I'd say Zoro's role is something like this. He heals up until the climax, to which he takes a shot at orochi and finishes up King, who will be stalled by kawamatsu and izo up until zoro is ready to face him.

As for Kaido? I think he gets stalled by Yamato and Marco. For Yamato specifically, I think that their fight would be something like the Omni-man/Invincible fight. Kaido won't actually want to kill his daughter, so he will hold back, whereas Yamato will give everything she has trying to fulfill the will of Oden.

Didn't you already do this before when you claimed Zoro wouldn't fight Kaido?
Deja vu

 

[HA001]

Zoro ain't going to the roof again. But he still taking kaidos head above the Flower Capital.

 

[wereng99]

What a waste time of thread