Current Events Why Zoro won't face Kaido again

[HA001]

Kaido says that without proof of Luffy's death, they won't ever lose faith in him, and does he have proof of Luffy's death?

yeah, I say he's out because he's not simply hurt, he's literally broken all of his bones and extended all of his stamina. You can't just sleep it off, even with marco, his flames aren't as effective when used on other people and they are said to drain stamina, which zoro just burned through.

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One last thing, zoro fighting kaido again undercuts a major thematic element of this arc, which is having faith/loyalty to one's captain
As kaido said, if not shown proof of Luffy's death, the alliance's faith in Luffy will never die.

Zoro vs Kaido would undercut this in several ways. The first would be that Zoro lost faith that Luffy will return to beat kaido, as Luffy explicitly told him he would win. The second would be that, especially if you believe in ZKK or that zoro does something that tops the scar he already gave kaido, it would undercut the narrative of the alliance needing to have faith in Luffy. If zoro can beat Kaido or can severely cripple him, then why does the alliance even need to have faith in Luffy when they can have faith in zoro instead?

I think Yamato and Marco stall kaido until Luffy arrives. And I specifically use the word stall. Neither of them can do anything to kaido. Rather, Marco can simply eat kaido's hits until his regen fails and Kaido won't or will be highly reluctant to kill Yamato since she's his daughter.

Bruh the only narrative is kaido has to die

Yasu - no one's been able to take kaidos head in 20 years

Oden - the only thing I want to do is cut your scaly neck

Scabbards - it's not over until his head is severed from his neck

Kaido himself last chapter echos these sentiments for luffy that total victory is once he shows luffys head - I should have cut off your head to declare my victory

Kaidos death by decapitation specifically has been pushed ALL ARC

 

[Cinera]

for the first one. Luffy told Zoro that he would win and ordered zoro to go to the lower levels. Zoro going to face kaido, even though Luffy did lose, would mean that zoro would have lost faith in his captain. After all he and Luffy have been through, does that even make sense? Zoro is portrayed as Luffy's most loyal crewmember, why on earth would zoro disobey a direct order given to him by his captain?

Luffy did not order Zoro to go below the Rooftop. He thanked Zoro for protecting him and said that he can handle things from there on.

He basically permitted Zoro to stop protecting him and fighting Kaido, it was not an order.

To claim it's an order is to misinterpret the scene:

If Zoro was in fighting condition, he could have told Luffy that he'd rather stay and Luffy wouldn't have complained.

Zoro has demonstrated exceptional faith in Luffy, but he doesn't have blind faith in him:

• He didn't think Luffy will defeat Oars/Moriah because they were tricky fighters.
• Sometime during the fight when Luffy was incapacitated, he said that Luffy has done enough and they will take it from there.
• He sees it as his responsibility to protect Luffy, especially when Luffy can no longer fight (see Zoro vs Kuma).
• He's chastised Luffy for fucking around:
  • On Punk Hazard
  • On the Rooftop

More than any of the above though, Zoro did place his faith in Luffy, Luffy was simply defeated:

But even if we disregard that, there's still another problem. Zoro's health. Zoro wasn't simply defeated like Luffy or the scabbards. He sustained serious, near fatal injuries. He gave every last bit of energy he had to pull off the asura slash on kaido. Yes, he could be healed, but to what extent? Marco's flames can heal injuries, but they also drain stamina and aren't as effective when used on other people. Chopper and Hiyori could also patch him up but he's not going to be in any shape to take on kaido. And even if he was, why would he do that when his captain literally told him to stay out of it?

Fighting through severe injuries, fighting when his body physically cannot go on is Zoro's entire shtick.

After Mihawk's slash in Baratie:

After Hakai on the Rooftop:

Being injured is no reason that Zoro cannot fight.

If I were to bet, I'd say Zoro's role is something like this. He heals up until the climax, to which he takes a shot at orochi and finishes up King, who will be stalled by kawamatsu and izo up until zoro is ready to face him.

You think Zoro is too injured to face Kaido, but he's not too injured to face King?

You're not even consistent.

 

[style]

Betting against Zoro has been ridiculous for a long time

his should honestly be obvious but with the amount of zoro fans in this site

My two cents: you were among the crowd saying that Zoro won't even see Kaido and guess what? Look at what happened

It was obvious to everyone but Zoro fans, but who was right at the end?

 

[Roronoa-sama]

this post shown why the zkk is alive

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Zoro already had his big moment against kaido, he failed and is entrusting Luffy to win. Why is him beating king after already surviving hakai and scarring kaido not enough?

Zoro failed? Excuse me but at what point did Luffy succeed? You realize Zoro has the best portrayal on the rooftop?

 

[Cinera]

Zoro already had his big moment against kaido, he failed and is entrusting Luffy to win.

And why should Zoro's failure be left without vindication?
Why should Zoro be satisfied with defeat?

Why is him beating king after already surviving hakai and scarring kaido not enough?

Why should Zoro's big moment this arc be against King — an opponent for which he has no setup — and not Kaido? Zoro had an entire character arc in Onigashima around his desire to confront Kaido.

 

[Zoronoa]

Well Luffy just lost again and Kaido's last few dialogs are about Luffy's crew having blind fait

And why should Zoro's failure be left without vindication?
Why should Zoro be satisfied with defeat?


Why should Zoro's big moment this arc be against King — an opponent for which he has no setup — and not Kaido? Zoro had an entire character arc in Onigashima around his desire to confront Kaido.

Yeah maybe Zoro's Desire to fight Kaido right now feels pale in many people's eyes. But, watch how Oda will give us a Zoro flashback especially since Kawamatsu and Izu(from Ringo) is with him and they will possibly meet Hiyori. His interaction with them may induce a backstory(something about Shimotsuki) which will give him more reasonings to fight Kaido again. Luffy gets knocked out twice and runs out of haki in a single fight and people are expecting him to fly fight back up with gear 5 or 6 which will seem like the biggest asspull in shounen. But the idea of Zoro who is currently resting and may get healed fighting Kaido feels like a crime lmao. This community is biased as hell.

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

Well Luffy just lost again and Kaido's last few dialogs are about Luffy's crew having blind fait

Yeah maybe Zoro's Desire to fight Kaido right now feels pale in many people's eyes. But, watch how Oda will give us a Zoro flashback especially since Kawamatsu and Izu(from Ringo) is with him and they will possibly meet Hiyori. His interaction with them may induce a backstory(something about Shimotsuki) which will give him more reasonings to fight Kaido again. Luffy gets knocked out twice and runs out of haki in a single fight and people are expecting him to fly fight back up with gear 5 or 6 which will seem like the biggest asspull in shounen. But the idea of Zoro who is currently resting and may get healed fighting Kaido feels like a crime lmao. This community is biased as hell.

Well this community is pretty good rather than LEDDIT so..

 

[MonsterKaido]

Oda is unpredictable as fuck like did anyone predicted luffy will loose again? Anything can happen........so its 50/50 for me......

 

[Lifeismeh]

He will face him again

personally I think Zolo will kill Kaido but won't cut his head, I think even cutting his head won't be enough somehow, Kaido legit can't die

but Zolo has a move that BM already hyped up as a threat to Kaido, and probably not because it cuts deep

Zolo will finish it with the same move he killed ryuma with, and it will have the same effect, it will make Kaido disappear entirely similar to Ryuma

but Kaido will be heavily weakened by then, maybe even stripped of some his powers, since even then Zolo will still be low diff or mid diff fight to Kaido

 

[Haoshoku]

Betting against Zoro is like betting against a healthy Lebron James in the playoffs, let’s just say the chances of success are close to futile.. That’s why the LeZoro nickname has sticked well around these parts lol.

Zoro didn’t get his Ryuma moment, so this thread is going to age a litte slower than milk, but the promised time is still on the horizon

 

[draganax]

sanzen sekai vs ragnarok is destiny

 

[nik87]

This should honestly be obvious but with the amount of zoro fans in this site, I feel like I might as well enlighten some of y'all. There are two major reasons why zoro can't return to the rooftop.

1. It would be out of Zoro's character
2. Zoro physically can't fight Kaido again

for the first one. Luffy told Zoro that he would win and ordered zoro to go to the lower levels. Zoro going to face kaido, even though Luffy did lose, would mean that zoro would have lost faith in his captain. After all he and Luffy have been through, does that even make sense? Zoro is portrayed as Luffy's most loyal crewmember, why on earth would zoro disobey a direct order given to him by his captain?

But even if we disregard that, there's still another problem. Zoro's health. Zoro wasn't simply defeated like Luffy or the scabbards. He sustained serious, near fatal injuries. He gave every last bit of energy he had to pull off the asura slash on kaido. Yes, he could be healed, but to what extent? Marco's flames can heal injuries, but they also drain stamina and aren't as effective when used on other people. Chopper and Hiyori could also patch him up but he's not going to be in any shape to take on kaido. And even if he was, why would he do that when his captain literally told him to stay out of it?

If I were to bet, I'd say Zoro's role is something like this. He heals up until the climax, to which he takes a shot at orochi and finishes up King, who will be stalled by kawamatsu and izo up until zoro is ready to face him.

As for Kaido? I think he gets stalled by Yamato and Marco. For Yamato specifically, I think that their fight would be something like the Omni-man/Invincible fight. Kaido won't actually want to kill his daughter, so he will hold back, whereas Yamato will give everything she has trying to fulfill the will of Oden.

Whh bet against the same thing again?
Is it a fetish at this point or what? :yasu:

 

[Mr.9000]

bruh your so wrong.
1 there are many ways zoro can fight or kill kaido without going back to the roof but i have said this on this site so many times i wont do it again



2 so zoro cant fight kaido again because he was defeated like the scabards and luffy???
so how the fuck are the scabards fighting again and are you trying to say luffy wont fight kaido this arc anymore?

think before making a thread bruh

Lol I was gonna respond to him and counter his points, but its a waste of time if he cant see his flawed logic. I dnt think he understand fully the dynamic between Luffy and Zoro. Zoro checked Drake, when Luffy let him join their side. If he failed Zoro test, hes out.

 

[nik87]

Oda is unpredictable as fuck like did anyone predicted luffy will loose again? Anything can happen........so its 50/50 for me......

I did predict it. Maybe bcs I am a "Luffy hater"...

 

[Ravagerblade]

Those who discredit Zoro not going back to the roof, are simply forgetting that it just basically implies that wherever Luffy and Kaidou are fighting is what Zoro means. Don't interfere...
It's childish to think it's Only the roof is what he means and anywhere else is fair game.... come on that's just petty.

 

[h_zorothegoat]

 

[Finalbeta]

Oda is unpredictable as fuck like did anyone predicted luffy will loose again? Anything can happen........so its 50/50 for me......

Yes for what it concerns defeating Kaido. I'm more confident for what it concerns ZKK because Oda has been perpetually constant and coherent with that kind of portrayal so far. Why? Because Kaido never denied what he suggested, that perfection can be found with death. Because Luffy never killed if not inadvertently. Because Yamato never striked like someone capable to off his own father, and Zoro is still fiercefully wishing to avenge the country people. :)

 

[Fn Lucci]

Theories you don't commit the worst mistakes, but I still think you're wrong. The idea that Zoro wouldn't dare fight Kaido after Luffy said he'd win is flimsy at best and means nothing when Luffy isn't even in the fight himself.

He will face him again

personally I think Zolo will kill Kaido but won't cut his head, I think even cutting his head won't be enough somehow, Kaido legit can't die

but Zolo has a move that BM already hyped up as a threat to Kaido, and probably not because it cuts deep

Zolo will finish it with the same move he killed ryuma with, and it will have the same effect, it will make Kaido disappear entirely similar to Ryuma

but Kaido will be heavily weakened by then, maybe even stripped of some his powers, since even then Zolo will still be low diff or mid diff fight to Kaido

Even this guy gets it

 

[Ravagerblade]

Theories you don't commit the worst mistakes, but I still think you're wrong. The idea that Zoro wouldn't dare fight Kaido after Luffy said he'd win is flimsy at best and means nothing when Luffy isn't even in the fight himself.


Even this guy gets it

So Zoro's words are flimsy?