General & Others Proof Zoro>Luffy, and that hate against Zoro is at an all time high.

[Sword God Ryuma]

And why do you keep ignoring people asking you to explain what kind of noticeable damage you are looking for from a blunt force attack? Should Luffy be punching holes through Kaido? Panels of Kaidos insides ruptured?

Did the scabbards damage Kaido more than Luffy because their attacks were more noticeable?



What did that scar accomplish in the end? Kaido still stood after the attack and still defeated Luffy despite it.

It did the most damage thats what ut accomplished. Right now Zoro the mvp of Wano so far.

 

[Ravagerblade]

This is the problem with Zoro fans, they place cuts and swords as something higher than brute force and that sort of damage.
It's a sort of cognitive bias/confirmation bias.

 

[Geo]

You proved nothing wrong when my point the whole time was that these abilities are possessed only by the strongest. That implies that to be ranked among the Strongest, you need Top Tier Haki.

Your point is the implication because you were comparing Luffy and Zoro.
Again it doesn't imply that. You have already presented the accurate statement. Where in that Statement do you deduce that "one needs top tier haki to be part of the strongest"?
The statement clearly focuses on "Amongst some" "Amongst a few". Which means the others who are ranked as part of the strongest do not posses that haki.
The simplest example will be Big Mom doesn't have FS yet is still top tier, Kaido doesn't have FS yet is still top tier.

The rest of your post is a tangent which merely deflects from this main point of contention.

The Statement of Ray and Kaido imply that top tier haki is not a necessary determinant to being a top tier. A character can be a top tier without it.

"Among strongest in the world, some have FS"
"Only a few among the very strongest have adcoc"

 

[Shepherd]

It did the most damage thats what ut accomplished. Right now Zoro the mvp of Wano so far.

Brute Force > Cuts unless they hit a vital area or cut off a limb, neither of which Zolo did. He hit an insignificant area and only dealt a relatively small cut.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Brute Force > Cuts unless they hit a vital area or cut off a limb, neither of which Zolo did. He hit an insignificant area and only dealt a relatively small cut.

Zoro scar him, I don't see much things left back from Luffy hits. He left a huge cut.

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

If Kaido is protrusing blood the way Luffy is causing him, that means internal wounds are being inflicted. Wounds of which could very well be permanent but we wouldn't know since it's internal.

What matters is how Kaido reacts, Kaido reacted much more fiercely to Luffy's Kong Gatling because it knocked Kaido out temporarily, something nobody else was able to do. Zolo's attack on the other hand was not even enough to bring Kaido to his knees, Kaido quite literally ate Zolos attack and moved on.

And this is just one downside that swordsman have that brawlers don't. Unless your hitting a vital area, cuts are not going to deal any significant damage because of how precise and thin they are. Blunt attacks on the other hand have more of an impact, even if you don't hit a vital area your still exerting alot of damage. Zolo did not hit any vital area and the scar he left was rather small, so we can conclude it wasn't that significant of an attack.

And why do you keep ignoring people asking you to explain what kind of noticeable damage you are looking for from a blunt force attack? Should Luffy be punching holes through Kaido? Panels of Kaidos insides ruptured?

Did the scabbards damage Kaido more than Luffy because their attacks were more noticeable?



What did that scar accomplish in the end? Kaido still stood after the attack and still defeated Luffy despite it.

Next time ask him to achieve that

 

[Ravagerblade]

Next time ask him to achieve that

Kaidou's durability >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arlong's.

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

Kaidou's durability >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arlong's.

Which Zoro penetrated while Luffy couldn't even break his teeth

 

[Tai long]

Which Zoro penetrated while Luffy couldn't even break his teeth

Which did more damage to the opponent squardo' s Stab or Wb quake punch against akainu

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

Which did more damage to the opponent squardo' s Stab or Wb quake punch against akainu

What damage did squard do to WB ; he took it then he went to fight like nothing happened he didn't shiver ; he didn't huff while akainu got smacked to the point he disappeared and only his endurance let him continue after a while

 

[Finalbeta]

This is the problem with Zoro fans, they place cuts and swords as something higher than brute force and that sort of damage.
It's a sort of cognitive bias/confirmation bias.

Lethality wise I can understand that and it was proven countless times throughout the story. Force wise, implicated as mass force, that's different instead.

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

Sorry about this but his attacks are only making him bleeding but can't surpass Teeth cracking damage

 

[Ravagerblade]

Which Zoro penetrated while Luffy couldn't even break his teeth

Or your two comparisons don't make sense.
Arlong teeth were taken as something special... Luffy proved they weren't all that.
Just as then, Luffy will do the same... but the teeth isn't a goalpost. Learn something it might do you good.

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

Or your two comparisons don't make sense.
Arlong teeth were taken as something special... Luffy proved they weren't all that.
Just as then, Luffy will do the same... but the teeth isn't a goalpost. Learn something it might do you good.

Excuses.com
Luffy attacked his Jaw and then he broke his teeth if luffy's attacks are strong enough to make Kaido having his teeth getting broken he would do that let's not talk about just punching against the Jaw lmao he punched the Jaw + he has Internal destruction that would destroy anything inside out meaning inside the jaw out which includes the teeth

 

[Ravagerblade]

Excuses.com
Luffy attacked his Jaw and then he broke his teeth if luffy's attacks are strong enough to make Kaido having his teeth getting broken he would do that let's not talk about just punching against the Jaw lmao he punched the Jaw + he has Internal destruction that would destroy anything inside out meaning inside the jaw out which includes the teeth

That's ironic, pot meet kettle, right back to you.
Crying like a bitch.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Excuses.com
Luffy attacked his Jaw and then he broke his teeth if luffy's attacks are strong enough to make Kaido having his teeth getting broken he would do that let's not talk about just punching against the Jaw lmao he punched the Jaw + he has Internal destruction that would destroy anything inside out meaning inside the jaw out which includes the teeth

eagerly awaiting your FNK publication.

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

eagerly awaiting your FNK publication.

In this week wait for the tag :cheers:

Post automatically merged: May 16, 2021

That's ironic, pot meet kettle, right back to you.
Crying like a bitch.

Saltyblade when he has no arguments he starts to say somethings out of the topic

 

[Ravagerblade]

In this week wait for the tag :cheers:

Post automatically merged: May 16, 2021

Saltyblade when he has no arguments he starts to say somethings out of the topic

I've already explained it. Not my fault your illiterate and ignorant.
But hey knowing your triggered enough to make up stupid shit makes you feel better, makes me laugh.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Your point is the implication because you were comparing Luffy and Zoro.
Again it doesn't imply that. You have already presented the accurate statement. Where in that Statement do you deduce that "one needs top tier haki to be part of the strongest"?
The statement clearly focuses on "Amongst some" "Amongst a few". Which means the others who are ranked as part of the strongest do not posses that haki.
The simplest example will be Big Mom doesn't have FS yet is still top tier, Kaido doesn't have FS yet is still top tier.

The rest of your post is a tangent which merely deflects from this main point of contention.

The Statement of Ray and Kaido imply that top tier haki is not a necessary determinant to being a top tier. A character can be a top tier without it.

"Among strongest in the world, some have FS"
"Only a few among the very strongest have adcoc"

You're only going to find these abilities among the Strongest people in the World, that's the message being conveyed here. If it wasn't, than the phrasing with the word Strongest in it is moot. If it meant what you think it implies it would read like "out of all the Haki users in the world, very few can use this ability.". The addition of the word "Strongest" changes the context of what is being inferred. This is basic language arts here.

 

[Geo]

Luffy got top tier haki FS = only got oneshot
Luffy got top tier haki tech Penetrating haki = got knocked out again twice.
Luffy then got top tier haki tech CoC coating = got knocked out again.

One concludes from this that having these haki makes you top tier.

Wonder what happened to the other characters who don't have all of these haki....oh wait Big Mom is still a top tier, Kaido is too. Law didn't get knocked out even after taking adcoc Thunder Bagua. Kidd is still fighting, Killer is still kicking, Zoro blocked and took island level attack and still went on to scar Kaido...something Mr. Top tier haki couldn't