Current Events Why do People Expect Sanji to Solo a Calamity?
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The raid failing would remove most of my doubts about Sanji soloing Queen, but I still don't expect it at this point in time.
This is fair I think.
If RS Sanji is scaled to elite Tobi Roppo level, then the addition of DJ and Hell's Memories pushing him to Calamity level is reasonable.
I guess my major question would be:
If Sanji defeats Queen solo, what do these characters do?
Sanji is not shown to have defeated Pay Pay at all, let alone for any appreciable length of time.
When Yamato KOed Ulti, even though she was only knocked out for a short while, her getting knocked out was still shown.
Sanji was never shown to have knocked out Pay Pay.
This is fair I think.
If RS Sanji is scaled to elite Tobi Roppo level, then the addition of DJ and Hell's Memories pushing him to Calamity level is reasonable.
I guess my major question would be:
If Sanji defeats Queen solo, what do these characters do?
- Drake
- Apoo
- Kawamatsu
- Izo
- Chopper
Sanji is not shown to have defeated Pay Pay at all, let alone for any appreciable length of time.
When Yamato KOed Ulti, even though she was only knocked out for a short while, her getting knocked out was still shown.
Sanji was never shown to have knocked out Pay Pay.
coz it narratively makes sense and he is worthy
if he doesn't solo a YC1 or YC2 then i take the L
but if it does happen @Cinera it would prove your incompetence in gauging sanji's strength due to preconceived twisted narrative and your base level comprehension of the narrative is flawed introspection if you are humble enough to do so. You should realize that the moment sanji fight a YC1 or YC2 EoW or after it... every single one of your ludicrous and flimsy essays with the time you pathetically wasted over them will go down in the dump with your credibility.
Goodluck
if he doesn't solo a YC1 or YC2 then i take the L
but if it does happen @Cinera it would prove your incompetence in gauging sanji's strength due to preconceived twisted narrative and your base level comprehension of the narrative is flawed introspection if you are humble enough to do so. You should realize that the moment sanji fight a YC1 or YC2 EoW or after it... every single one of your ludicrous and flimsy essays with the time you pathetically wasted over them will go down in the dump with your credibility.
Goodluck
To start with the last part of your post, i'm not arguing that Sanji KO'ed Page One with that attack, or for how long he did it. We simply don't know.
All we know is that two weeks later Page One was fine, and Sanji saying that he will lower the enemy numbers didn't come true. So that's the only thing we know for sure happened and we can hold against Sanji, is that he did not beat up Page One so bad that he'd be unable to be part of the fight that happened two weeks later.
Chopper will probably take Zoro into custody and heal him for a while as soon as Sanji hits the live stage with him wrapped up like that.
X Drake vs Apoo i think will turn into a solo fight and X Drake will defeat him in the end.
Kawamatsu and Izo could get involved with King and stall him alongside others maybe until Zoro get's healed, especially if Marco ends up getting defeated by the All Star duo with potentially Perospero's help, before Nekomamushi get's a chance to take on Perospero.
All we know is that two weeks later Page One was fine, and Sanji saying that he will lower the enemy numbers didn't come true. So that's the only thing we know for sure happened and we can hold against Sanji, is that he did not beat up Page One so bad that he'd be unable to be part of the fight that happened two weeks later.
Chopper will probably take Zoro into custody and heal him for a while as soon as Sanji hits the live stage with him wrapped up like that.
X Drake vs Apoo i think will turn into a solo fight and X Drake will defeat him in the end.
Kawamatsu and Izo could get involved with King and stall him alongside others maybe until Zoro get's healed, especially if Marco ends up getting defeated by the All Star duo with potentially Perospero's help, before Nekomamushi get's a chance to take on Perospero.
Low diffed? Sanji was protecting Momo while King laid the hammer and Sanji came out without any blood or anything on him.
You know damn well if that fight went on Sanji would have 0 problems beating Page One without any difficulty. Page One barely managed to keep up with Sanji and when he did he did 0 damage to Sanji. Meanwhile Sanji's basic kicks made Page One screams like a prom girl when winning the crown
And? Anime is under supervision of Oda and many other scenes didn't happen in the manga too but you don't seem to give a damn when it benefits you lol
Baseless claim
Veterans of BM pirates and Tobi Ropo were put on equal footing and anyone with any reading comprehension can see that
Sanji blocked King while protecting Momo and when King had the momentum. And when King attacked Sanji Sanji had 0 injuries. What a might low diff lol
He did, you are just choosing to ignore it and head cannon your own opinions on what happened and what didn't happen. And you are doing that for months on end here and when someone proves you wrong you take a break lol
You know damn well if that fight went on Sanji would have 0 problems beating Page One without any difficulty. Page One barely managed to keep up with Sanji and when he did he did 0 damage to Sanji. Meanwhile Sanji's basic kicks made Page One screams like a prom girl when winning the crown
And? Anime is under supervision of Oda and many other scenes didn't happen in the manga too but you don't seem to give a damn when it benefits you lol
Baseless claim
Veterans of BM pirates and Tobi Ropo were put on equal footing and anyone with any reading comprehension can see that
Sanji blocked King while protecting Momo and when King had the momentum. And when King attacked Sanji Sanji had 0 injuries. What a might low diff lol
He did, you are just choosing to ignore it and head cannon your own opinions on what happened and what didn't happen. And you are doing that for months on end here and when someone proves you wrong you take a break lol
Well, I disagree with this:
But as I said earlier, Sanji reaching Queen's level of his Raid Suit is combined with Diable Jambe/Hell's Memories or even unlocking new power ups in the form of his genetic enhancements is feasible.
I wouldn't endorse a position that Sanji cannot face Queen because he's too weak.
Sanji doesn't have the feats to suggest he's that strong, but:
I guess you could say that current Sanji is below the Calamities, but there's a very viable pathway for him to become strong enough to defeat them.
Oda doesn't have to take this pathway, but it's an option open to him.
@Geo.
@Garp the Fist: for the record, I agree with Kuro Ashi here. The Marco fight does not appear to have noticeably nerfed Queen in anyway.
Personally, I'll only consider Sanji vs Queen to not be a solo victory if:
- Franky may get assistance from Denjiro
- Robin and Brook are tag teaming Black Maria
- Zoro did not need help beating Pica
- Carrot never blitzed Zoro
But as I said earlier, Sanji reaching Queen's level of his Raid Suit is combined with Diable Jambe/Hell's Memories or even unlocking new power ups in the form of his genetic enhancements is feasible.
I wouldn't endorse a position that Sanji cannot face Queen because he's too weak.
Sanji doesn't have the feats to suggest he's that strong, but:
- Raid Suit Sanji looked stronger than Page One
- This was while he was only testing out the Raid Suit's enhancements.
- There is a clear path for Raid Suit Sanji to display greater combat ability than what he showed against Pay Pay
- Sanji did not use any named techniques.
- Sanji did not use Diable Jambe.
- Sanji did not use Hell's Memories.
- If the above are not sufficient to boost Sanji to Queen level, then Sanji can power up even further:
- The Vinsmoke exoskeleton
- His genetic enhancements
I guess you could say that current Sanji is below the Calamities, but there's a very viable pathway for him to become strong enough to defeat them.
Oda doesn't have to take this pathway, but it's an option open to him.
@Geo.
It absolutely matters, because Queen is fighting in his Zoan form and using CoA to defend himself, while Sanji's putting up absolutely no defense and getting hit non stop.
If Sanji was using the RS and CoA against Black Maria, you could belittle her attempts to harm him in this manner while contrasting it with Marco's attempts to harm Queen, but the scenario is entirely different and has to be considered as such.
This is Sanjis state after he let himself get beat up
This is Queens state after all the attacks we've seen him take from Marco
If Sanji was using the RS and CoA against Black Maria, you could belittle her attempts to harm him in this manner while contrasting it with Marco's attempts to harm Queen, but the scenario is entirely different and has to be considered as such.
This is Sanjis state after he let himself get beat up
This is Queens state after all the attacks we've seen him take from Marco
Personally, I'll only consider Sanji vs Queen to not be a solo victory if:
- Sanji fights Queen in a tag team
- A team of (Drake, Apoo, Chopper, Kawamatsu, Izo, Hyougoro, etc.) fight Queen first.
- Queen appears to be heavily injured when his fight with Sanji begins
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I mean, for all the hate he gets here - every bit of it deserved - Sanji’s still one of the most powerful people on the crew and in the world. He’s gonna fight a Calamity either way, solo or with some help, and he’ll ultimately win even if PIS turns out to be the real MVP. Whoever he fights, Zoro’s gonna square off against a stronger opponent: if Sanji lines up with Jack, it’s Zoro vs Queen; if the cook faces Queen, the swordsman will be on King; on the slimmest chance that Sanji ends up handling King, you better believe Zoro’s going another round with Kaido. Nothing to be ashamed of in any of those matchups! 
I mean, for all the hate he gets here - every bit of it deserved - Sanji’s still one of the most powerful people on the crew and in the world. He’s gonna fight a Calamity either way, solo or with some help, and he’ll ultimately win even if PIS turns out to be the real MVP. Whoever he fights, Zoro’s gonna square off against a stronger opponent: if Sanji lines up with Jack, it’s Zoro vs Queen; if the cook faces Queen, the swordsman will be on King; on the slimmest chance that Sanji ends up handling King, you better believe Zoro’s going another round with Kaido. Nothing to be ashamed of in any of those matchups!
Does it look like those defences have done much?
The Phoenix Brand attack in particular seems to have caused serious damage. Coughing up blood, eye’s bulging out of his head.
There’s no world in which attacks from Black Maria do more damage than attacks from Marco. I don’t care whether Sanji is using CoA to protect himself or not.
It’s not belittling, it’s a fact. Marco could neg-diff Black Maria. He is in an entirely different weight category from her. Any damage he does >>>>>> any damage she does. Queen has taken far more powerful attacks than anything Sanji has. You can’t cherry pick and say the damage Sanji took counts, but the much more impressive attacks Queen took doesn’t.
Other’s have contributed to Queen’s downfall. That’s undeniable. It is not a case of a fully healthy Sanji beating a fully healthy Queen solo. Marco has played a big role, Chopper has played a small role, who knows if Izo, Kawamatsu or Drake will also help.
Yeah, and Kaido doesn’t look all that damaged here
That doesn’t mean we should ignore all the damage that the Worst Gen and the Scabbards did to him and say that actually, when Luffy comes back and beats him, he’s really done it solo.
The Phoenix Brand attack in particular seems to have caused serious damage. Coughing up blood, eye’s bulging out of his head.
There’s no world in which attacks from Black Maria do more damage than attacks from Marco. I don’t care whether Sanji is using CoA to protect himself or not.
It’s not belittling, it’s a fact. Marco could neg-diff Black Maria. He is in an entirely different weight category from her. Any damage he does >>>>>> any damage she does. Queen has taken far more powerful attacks than anything Sanji has. You can’t cherry pick and say the damage Sanji took counts, but the much more impressive attacks Queen took doesn’t.
Other’s have contributed to Queen’s downfall. That’s undeniable. It is not a case of a fully healthy Sanji beating a fully healthy Queen solo. Marco has played a big role, Chopper has played a small role, who knows if Izo, Kawamatsu or Drake will also help.
This is Sanjis state after he let himself get beat up
This is Queens state after all the attacks we've seen him take from Marco
This is Queens state after all the attacks we've seen him take from Marco
That doesn’t mean we should ignore all the damage that the Worst Gen and the Scabbards did to him and say that actually, when Luffy comes back and beats him, he’s really done it solo.
Yeah, I’m really looking forward to hearing “GODA 🙏🙌” when the matchups are set and Sanji ends up facing one of the three viable options like he was always, ALWAYS going to do...said it in another thread, but if we’re sucking the author off for doing the bare minimum at his job, this fandom is way more far gone than I already think it is 
Sanji's best offence feat is failing to draw blood from a Full Zoan Tobi Roppo:
Yamato's best offence feat is oneshotting a Full Zoan Tobi Roppo:
By feats, Sanji gets Thunder Bagua'd.
For what it's worth, I didn't assume the Calamities were using COA. Even if they were, they were not using hardening.
Yamato did not use COA to protect herself from Sasaki's cannon fire. She took an endless barrage of cannon fire and did not protect herself with COA. It's extremely stupid, but Oda regularly has his characters make such stupid decisions. See Jack rather dying than transforming into his Hybrid form against the Sulong Dukes. In Yamato's case, he wanted to highlight her natural durability. In Jack's case he wanted to hide his Hybrid form.
Sanji has used COA without hardening, so it would be genuinely ambiguous if Oda did not clarify.
Yamato's best offence feat is oneshotting a Full Zoan Tobi Roppo:
By feats, Sanji gets Thunder Bagua'd.
For what it's worth, I didn't assume the Calamities were using COA. Even if they were, they were not using hardening.
Yamato did not use COA to protect herself from Sasaki's cannon fire. She took an endless barrage of cannon fire and did not protect herself with COA. It's extremely stupid, but Oda regularly has his characters make such stupid decisions. See Jack rather dying than transforming into his Hybrid form against the Sulong Dukes. In Yamato's case, he wanted to highlight her natural durability. In Jack's case he wanted to hide his Hybrid form.
Sanji has used COA without hardening, so it would be genuinely ambiguous if Oda did not clarify.
Does it look like those defences have done much?
The Phoenix Brand attack in particular seems to have caused serious damage. Coughing up blood, eye’s bulging out of his head.
There’s no world in which attacks from Black Maria do more damage than attacks from Marco. I don’t care whether Sanji is using CoA to protect himself or not.
It’s not belittling, it’s a fact. Marco could neg-diff Black Maria. He is in an entirely different weight category from her. Any damage he does >>>>>> any damage she does. Queen has taken far more powerful attacks than anything Sanji has. You can’t cherry pick and say the damage Sanji took counts, but the much more impressive attacks Queen took doesn’t.
Other’s have contributed to Queen’s downfall. That’s undeniable. It is not a case of a fully healthy Sanji beating a fully healthy Queen solo. Marco has played a big role, Chopper has played a small role, who knows if Izo, Kawamatsu or Drake will also help.
Yeah, and Kaido doesn’t look all that damaged here
That doesn’t mean we should ignore all the damage that the Worst Gen and the Scabbards did to him and say that actually, when Luffy comes back and beats him, he’s really done it solo.
The Phoenix Brand attack in particular seems to have caused serious damage. Coughing up blood, eye’s bulging out of his head.
There’s no world in which attacks from Black Maria do more damage than attacks from Marco. I don’t care whether Sanji is using CoA to protect himself or not.
It’s not belittling, it’s a fact. Marco could neg-diff Black Maria. He is in an entirely different weight category from her. Any damage he does >>>>>> any damage she does. Queen has taken far more powerful attacks than anything Sanji has. You can’t cherry pick and say the damage Sanji took counts, but the much more impressive attacks Queen took doesn’t.
Other’s have contributed to Queen’s downfall. That’s undeniable. It is not a case of a fully healthy Sanji beating a fully healthy Queen solo. Marco has played a big role, Chopper has played a small role, who knows if Izo, Kawamatsu or Drake will also help.
Yeah, and Kaido doesn’t look all that damaged here
That doesn’t mean we should ignore all the damage that the Worst Gen and the Scabbards did to him and say that actually, when Luffy comes back and beats him, he’s really done it solo.
No Zoan recovery to fall back on to get him back in shape like with Kaido/Queen.
You can't be dismissive of how much damage a Flying Six can do if it has you tied up and unwilling to defend yourself even with CoA, and get's to beat at you to their heart content. I mean, you can make the choice to do that, but Oda can absolutely let a strong character get beat up and put in a bad state or injured by someone weaker because he's unwilling to do anything about it.
