Questions & Mysteries The difference between Zoro, Sanji, Jimbe and The Captain

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stealthblack

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And wb said, guys like oden are not people that are followers, so they can't be in same crew or else you get ROCKs scenario all over again. Like imgine law, luffy, Kidd in the same crew. sanji, zoro, jimbe are followers reason they follow luffy, they don't have captain ambition like law, kidd, other supernovas.
 
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nik87

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stealthblack said:
And wb said, guys like oden are not people that are followers, so they can't be in same crew or else you get ROCKs scenario all over again. Like imgine law, luffy, Kidd in the same crew. sanji, zoro, jimbe are followers reason they follow luffy, they don't have captain ambition like law, kidd, other supernovas.
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You dont know that Jinbe was captain of Sun Pirates?
Why is Law following Luffy despite not wanting to? Why are other captains of the grand fleet following Luffy?
Didnt Urogue tell you that Zoro isnt a follower?
I am pretty sure that captain ambitions have nothing with following.
 
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MD Zolo

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I don't know about others (or care for that matter), but leave Zoro out of it. We already know that Zoro isn't a simple follower.

Urouge said that. Not to mention Zoro himself said that he would have to become captain if Luffy couldn't do 'that much' (alluding to Luffy's CoC reveal). This means that Zoro isn't a simple follower.
 
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stealthblack

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MD Zolo said:
I don't know about others (or care for that matter), but leave Zoro out of it. We already know that Zoro isn't a simple follower.

Urouge said that. Not to mention Zoro himself said that he would have to become captain if Luffy couldn't do 'that much' (alluding to Luffy's CoC reveal). This means that Zoro isn't a simple follower.
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don't give me urouge he knows sht about straw hats or zoro. zoro doesn't have captain power to make allies in anyone, he was supposed to round up samurai of wano yet he rounded up nothing. he is a loner like mihawk.
 
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nik87

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stealthblack said:
yeah and how did that work? left his crew and joined straw hats.
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My point stands, captain ambitions have nothing to do with following.
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stealthblack said:
don't give me urouge he knows sht about straw hats or zoro. zoro doesn't have captain power to make allies in anyone, he was supposed to round up samurai of wano yet he rounded up nothing. he is a loner like mihawk.
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So, it is just a bait thread. Could have expected. :myman:
 
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MD Zolo

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stealthblack said:
don't give me urouge he knows sht about straw hats or zoro. zoro doesn't have captain power to make allies in anyone, he was supposed to round up samurai of wano yet he rounded up nothing. he is a loner like mihawk.
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I don't see what that has got to do with it. My point is that Zoro isn't an average follower and I gave some points supporting my view.

Zoro being a loner doesn't make him a follower, does it?
 
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Robin swan

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What are you talking about stealth? ROCKs failed cuz they were never really a crew but a bunch of strong guys following 1 really strong guy. They didn't have any comradery at all. Law luffy and kidd wouldn't work cuz none would have real comradery and you can't have multiple people that want to be pk on 1 crew. Kidd would always be against luffy and neither kidd or luffy would follow law's plans so everything would eventually crumble.

Sanji and jinbe follow luffy cuz luffy earned their respect to do so. Zoro is like oden in the sense he wouldn't normally follow anyone. The reason he followed luffy is cuz luffy made him promise to join his crew by blackmailing him. Since zoro is a honorable character he joined. Anyone who could have made zoro give his word to join their crew he would have. Oden would have followed any pirate as long as they took him on a adventure. It didn't matter who the pirate was as long as they took him to sea. These aren't normal circumstances and are more the characteristics of the characters. It has nothing to do with a captain ambition 😆 tf is that anyway. So far a captains ambition can be anything like just wanting a family, starting a mass war, to be pk, to have every species be the same size, to take out someone like mingo, etc. Pretty sure being wss, finding all blue, and bridging human fishman relation fall in somewhere in that spectrum. And wasn't jinbe a captain himself so had a captains ambition?
 
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stealthblack

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Robin swan said:
What are you talking about stealth? ROCKs failed cuz they were never really a crew but a bunch of strong guys following 1 really strong guy. They didn't have any comradery at all. Law luffy and kidd wouldn't work cuz none would have real comradery and you can't have multiple people that want to be pk on 1 crew. Kidd would always be against luffy and neither kidd or luffy would follow law's plans so everything would eventually crumble.

Sanji and jinbe follow luffy cuz luffy earned their respect to do so. Zoro is like oden in the sense he wouldn't normally follow anyone. The reason he followed luffy is cuz luffy made him promise to join his crew by blackmailing him. Since zoro is a honorable character he joined. Anyone who could have made zoro give his word to join their crew he would have. Oden would have followed any pirate as long as they took him on a adventure. It didn't matter who the pirate was as long as they took him to sea. These aren't normal circumstances and are more the characteristics of the characters. It has nothing to do with a captain ambition 😆 tf is that anyway. So far a captains ambition can be anything like just wanting a family, starting a mass war, to be pk, to have every species be the same size, to take out someone like mingo, etc. Pretty sure being wss, finding all blue, and bridging human fishman relation fall in somewhere in that spectrum. And wasn't jinbe a captain himself so had a captains ambition?
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jimbe was a captain same way marco took over wb pirates because the real captain was dead. and what kind of captain Leaves his crew?

zoro is a follower, putting his own ambition aside to help his captain shows he is not like oden. oden had the dream to adventure and explore, not measure his dic size with mihawk. oden is luffy 100%, all about adventure and freedom, and not train to beat some hafl retired sword boy
 
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Robin swan

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stealthblack said:
jimbe was a captain same way marco took over wb pirates because the real captain was dead. and what kind of captain Leaves his crew?

zoro is a follower, putting his own ambition aside to help his captain shows he is not like oden. oden had the dream to adventure and explore, not measure his dic size with mihawk. oden is luffy 100%, all about adventure and freedom, and not train to beat some hafl retired sword boy
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Jinbe was a captain and held up his own captains dream. Both wanted to bridge human fishman relation so jinbe has a captain ambition. There isn't a way around this so just give it up. Your captain ambition is bs as plenty of fodder captains like the one zoro crushed before going to FMI also have captain ambition but look where they are.

You obviously didn't get the comparison. Zoro ONLY joined luffy cuz luffy blackmailed him into giving his word to join. If this never happened then zoro would never join luffy. Oden ONLY joined wb to go on a adventure. Any pirate he could follow to get off wano oden would. If zoro wasn't honourable and oden got to go on a adventure already neither would ever join crews. That's the point which is that their character traits allows them join crews they normally wouldn't. I really don't see what's so hard to understand here. If zoro wasn't honourable he'd end up like mihawk and if oden had a adventure he'd just be the shogun of wano.
 
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