Questions & Mysteries Why do people want get rid of M3?

#65
Forget dick riding your fav and only talk about that trio. Ever since Robin people says Oda will make a M4 or something. Now even Jinbe isn't in the mix and the closest might be Yamato soon.

But my question is... Why do people have a problem with these 3 standing above all others until the end?
more like trolls/baits to me than legitimate arguments
mostly between sanji and zoro fans and NO luffy doesnt have commanders
not how his main crew is set up either.

lol at the people who thought jimbei would change things
maybe yamato might
but I doubt it.
you have to stop taking some people here seriously @Kishido
 
#66
Monster trio was somehow a thing pre-TS
Post-TS what did Sanji do ? Zoro was one shotting everyone, clashed with an admiral and 2 yonkos, Luffy having multiple extreme diff fights to improve himself clashed with admiral and 2 yonkos and YC1.
Sanji ? Dragged to a fake marriage ? low tier CoA, CoO ?, no CoC... etc, maybe he's a monster compared to Nami but outside of the crew prespective he's an NPC
 
#67
To troll Sanji fans and people think Sanji is not a strong fighter.
Because Oda hasn't respected Sanji as a combatant and I would like for formidable combatants to actually join the crew.

Quoting myself from the spoiler thread:


The combination of Law, Zoro and Luffy have felt more like a monster trio than Sanji, Zoro and Luffy have for the last decade. Given Zoro and Luffy's feats now, I don't see End of Wano Sanji being on the same tier with them (let alone their end of Wano versions), so I don't think the dynamic that sometimes existed preskip would be restored.

Like let's look at the best case for Sanji. He leaves Wano at Katakuri level. Well Katakuri level fighters get low diffed by Base Kaido. Both Luffy and Zoro should leave Wano above Base Kaido.

In addition to his Rooftop feats, by the end of Wano Zoro will get:
  • Mastery of Haoshoku enhancement
  • A black Enma

Luffy was already able to go toe to toe with Hybrid Kaido (apparently without Gear 4th!) for 30 minutes+, and he'll probably eventually defeat him.

At the end of Wano, Luffy and Zoro will be some flavour of Mid Top Tiers.

A YC 1 like Katakuri gets low/no diffed by them. And Katakuri level is the best End of Wano Sanji can hope for.

End of Wano Sanji gets low/no diffed by Luffy and Zoro.


On the other hand, by portrayal, End of Wano Law probably pushes End of Wano Zoro to at least high difficulty, and Yamato has the hype and performance to justify that if Oda wanted to.

Oda could write the story so that Law and Yamato leave Wano as Low Top Tiers (and it's what I'm hoping for).

Given the choice of Sanji being the 3rd strongest Strawhat and being a YC 2 - YC 1 while Luffy and Zoro are solid Top Tiers (he'll be low/no diff material for them), or Yamato and Law joining the crew as Low Top Tiers (so relative to Zoro and Luffy), I'll pick the latter every time.

I do not care for a monster trio where the 3rd strongest is at best low difficulty fight for the other two.


Tl;Dr: Sanji is too weak to make the Monster Trio feel meaningful.
Imo Oda does respect sanji's power and its way he used Sanji to hype up Doffy and Vergo. The issue is that the fan base instead downplay Sanji being weak instead of the opponents being strong.

There's also Luffy saying he can't be pk without him and that sanji's atleast worth 1000 men.
 
#74
Forget dick riding your fav and only talk about that trio. Ever since Robin people says Oda will make a M4 or something. Now even Jinbe isn't in the mix and the closest might be Yamato soon.

But my question is... Why do people have a problem with these 3 standing above all others until the end?
Because Luffy and Zoro are on a league way above everyone else in SH right now.
Sanji is definitely closer in strength than franky than compared to zoro.
M3 is an outdated concept that happened during time-skip like many people have mentioned
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:kayneshrug:
Invisibility is part of Sanji's abilities now, and he's going to use it in his fights. Raid suit has completely killed the character called "Sanji," his fighting style, his pride, his identity, his morals have all been destroyed and ripped off of him.
RS is a stupid upgrade imo. Like literally everyone (zoro and luffy included) can upgrade their strength from it if they get one from germa.
 
#75
Monster trio was somehow a thing pre-TS
Post-TS what did Sanji do ? Zoro was one shotting everyone, clashed with an admiral and 2 yonkos, Luffy having multiple extreme diff fights to improve himself clashed with admiral and 2 yonkos and YC1.
Sanji ? Dragged to a fake marriage ? low tier CoA, CoO ?, no CoC... etc, maybe he's a monster compared to Nami but outside of the crew prespective he's an NPC
Didnt sanji do he's things also, punkhazard zoro fought weak ass Monet while luffy fought weak ass ceasar, sanji fought the strongest person there and didnt quit well even while being injured and even after his leg was broken he still was fighting and vergo could get the drop on him again,

Dressrosa luffy did his thing but still got body by mingo easy zoro clash with fugitora and one off fugitora no name casual move had zoro out off breath and mest up and if the fight did continue zoro was getting body no doubt

Sanji clash with mingo and was acknowledge as a strong one and even after taking mingo name attack he still kept fighting, & yes he was caught off guard because he didn't knew mingo DF but dats understandable because mingo was even besting luffy ,
Wci Sanji was shit on guys with 300m bounty easy clash with big mom, dodge fs attack ,
He might have not got a 1v1 like luffy bit that arc focus more on his past
Etc so you saying sanji never did shit is obviously hate nothing more
 
#76
Didnt sanji do he's things also, punkhazard zoro fought weak ass Monet while luffy fought weak ass ceasar, sanji fought the strongest person there and didnt quit well even while being injured and even after his leg was broken he still was fighting and vergo could get the drop on him again,

Dressrosa luffy did his thing but still got body by mingo easy zoro clash with fugitora and one off fugitora no name casual move had zoro out off breath and mest up and if the fight did continue zoro was getting body no doubt

Sanji clash with mingo and was acknowledge as a strong one and even after taking mingo name attack he still kept fighting, & yes he was caught off guard because he didn't knew mingo DF but dats understandable because mingo was even besting luffy ,
Wci Sanji was shit on guys with 300m bounty easy clash with big mom, dodge fs attack ,
He might have not got a 1v1 like luffy bit that arc focus more on his past
Etc so you saying sanji never did shit is obviously hate nothing more
You expect me to read that long ass shit, keep it to yourself, I know from your avy that you'll Make every L Sanji took into a feat. 99% of the people who actually have a brain agree with me. Ciao
 
#77
You expect me to read that long ass shit, keep it to yourself, I know from your avy that you'll Make every L Sanji took into a feat. 99% of the people who actually have a brain agree with me. Ciao[/QUthe

The fact that you wouldn't even read it tells me you dont like truth/facts but ae it's all good :sanmoji:
 
#78
I'll paraphrase Secret Wars II:

Sanji & Jinbe transact on power level unimaginable to Nami, Chopper, and Usopp. :blobevil:

Zoro & Luffy transact on power level unimaginable to Sanji & Jinbe. :kata:

Roof Piece made this very very clear and very very final. If you cannot accept that? Tough shit. :kayneshrug:

Because Oda hasn't respected Sanji as a combatant and I would like for formidable combatants to actually join the crew.

Quoting myself from the spoiler thread:


The combination of Law, Zoro and Luffy have felt more like a monster trio than Sanji, Zoro and Luffy have for the last decade. Given Zoro and Luffy's feats now, I don't see End of Wano Sanji being on the same tier with them (let alone their end of Wano versions), so I don't think the dynamic that sometimes existed preskip would be restored.

Like let's look at the best case for Sanji. He leaves Wano at Katakuri level. Well Katakuri level fighters get low diffed by Base Kaido. Both Luffy and Zoro should leave Wano above Base Kaido.

In addition to his Rooftop feats, by the end of Wano Zoro will get:
  • Mastery of Haoshoku enhancement
  • A black Enma

Luffy was already able to go toe to toe with Hybrid Kaido (apparently without Gear 4th!) for 30 minutes+, and he'll probably eventually defeat him.

At the end of Wano, Luffy and Zoro will be some flavour of Mid Top Tiers.

A YC 1 like Katakuri gets low/no diffed by them. And Katakuri level is the best End of Wano Sanji can hope for.

End of Wano Sanji gets low/no diffed by Luffy and Zoro.


On the other hand, by portrayal, End of Wano Law probably pushes End of Wano Zoro to at least high difficulty, and Yamato has the hype and performance to justify that if Oda wanted to.

Oda could write the story so that Law and Yamato leave Wano as Low Top Tiers (and it's what I'm hoping for).

Given the choice of Sanji being the 3rd strongest Strawhat and being a YC 2 - YC 1 while Luffy and Zoro are solid Top Tiers (he'll be low/no diff material for them), or Yamato and Law joining the crew as Low Top Tiers (so relative to Zoro and Luffy), I'll pick the latter every time.

I do not care for a monster trio where the 3rd strongest is at best low difficulty fight for the other two.


Tl;Dr: Sanji is too weak to make the Monster Trio feel meaningful.
As to why grouping Sanji with Luffy & Zoro is senseless as of now, your post is easily the best argument I have ever read in recent times. :cheers:
 
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