Questions & Mysteries POLL Do you think King and Queen's Rivalry is more of a Gag rivalry or a power/strength rivalry
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There is no rivalry. People think this is limited between King and Queen. No.
ALL THE BEAST PIRATES DON’T GET ALONG.
The organization is based off a meritocracy. Strength, growth, positions is all that matters. The calamities hold the same weight to Kaido. And Queen and King are in fact comparable. They’ve been in multiple panels with each other paralleled. King and Queen have just as much of a Rivalry as King and WsW or Jack and WsW.
ALL THE BEAST PIRATES DON’T GET ALONG.
The organization is based off a meritocracy. Strength, growth, positions is all that matters. The calamities hold the same weight to Kaido. And Queen and King are in fact comparable. They’ve been in multiple panels with each other paralleled. King and Queen have just as much of a Rivalry as King and WsW or Jack and WsW.
I don't really think there's much point in calling it a "Rivalry" either.
They are at the top of the Beast Pirates hierarchy already, and the only spot that would be left for them to compete would be replacing Kaido, which obviously is not going to happen.
We've seen that they don't have authority over the other, and both were shown to command F6 on various ocasions, such as Queen getting Who's Who and Hawkins to fetch X Drake or dispatching X Drake and Page One to fight Sanji, and King's call for them to target Momonosuke.
They are actually the only one's shown giving direct orders to the F6, unlike Jack who shares the All Star position but never displayed that level of control over Kaido's officers.
On top of that, they even lord over Jack ordering him around and treating him as their lackey
Once again highliting them even within the All Star rank.
They are at the very top and on equal footing, while everyone beneath them answers to them in one way or another and is aware of their superiority.
They are at the top of the Beast Pirates hierarchy already, and the only spot that would be left for them to compete would be replacing Kaido, which obviously is not going to happen.
We've seen that they don't have authority over the other, and both were shown to command F6 on various ocasions, such as Queen getting Who's Who and Hawkins to fetch X Drake or dispatching X Drake and Page One to fight Sanji, and King's call for them to target Momonosuke.
They are actually the only one's shown giving direct orders to the F6, unlike Jack who shares the All Star position but never displayed that level of control over Kaido's officers.
On top of that, they even lord over Jack ordering him around and treating him as their lackey
Once again highliting them even within the All Star rank.
They are at the very top and on equal footing, while everyone beneath them answers to them in one way or another and is aware of their superiority.
I don't really think there's much point in calling it a "Rivalry" either.
They are at the top of the Beast Pirates hierarchy already, and the only spot that would be left for them to compete would be replacing Kaido, which obviously is not going to happen.
We've seen that they don't have authority over the other, and both were shown to command F6 on various ocasions, such as Queen getting Who's Who and Hawkins to fetch X Drake or dispatching X Drake and Page One to fight Sanji, and King's call for them to target Momonosuke.
They are actually the only one's shown giving direct orders to the F6, unlike Jack who shares the All Star position but never displayed that level of control over Kaido's officers.
On top of that, they even lord over Jack ordering him around and treating him as their lackey
Once again highliting them even within the All Star rank.
They are at the very top and on equal footing, while everyone beneath them answers to them in one way or another and is aware of their superiority.
They are at the top of the Beast Pirates hierarchy already, and the only spot that would be left for them to compete would be replacing Kaido, which obviously is not going to happen.
We've seen that they don't have authority over the other, and both were shown to command F6 on various ocasions, such as Queen getting Who's Who and Hawkins to fetch X Drake or dispatching X Drake and Page One to fight Sanji, and King's call for them to target Momonosuke.
They are actually the only one's shown giving direct orders to the F6, unlike Jack who shares the All Star position but never displayed that level of control over Kaido's officers.
On top of that, they even lord over Jack ordering him around and treating him as their lackey
Once again highliting them even within the All Star rank.
They are at the very top and on equal footing, while everyone beneath them answers to them in one way or another and is aware of their superiority.
Imo If Jack is 85, Queen is 90, and King is 95. I am giving the bump to King because of past performances of other First Yonko Commanders. (Katakuri ~ Luffy; Beckman ~ Kizaru; Marco ~ Admirals; Shiryu ~ Magellan)
I will also always give the edge to King, but i think that there's a rather clear push here unlike the case was for the Big Mom pirates for King and Queen to be a lot more relative to each other than either of them is to Jack.
One can argue that it was actually the opposite with Katakuri, who was constantly portrayed as peerless, invincible, and so on, while Smoothie didn't really stand out more than Cracker.
So for the Yonko crews, these obvious gaps between their top men aren't necessarily placed between the exact same positions. It looks a lot more like :
King > Queen >>> Jack
Katakuri >>> Smoothie > Cracker
With Queen being more on King's tier than Jack's for the Beast Pirates, while Smoothie is more on Cracker's tier for the Big Mom pirates.
One can argue that it was actually the opposite with Katakuri, who was constantly portrayed as peerless, invincible, and so on, while Smoothie didn't really stand out more than Cracker.
So for the Yonko crews, these obvious gaps between their top men aren't necessarily placed between the exact same positions. It looks a lot more like :
King > Queen >>> Jack
Katakuri >>> Smoothie > Cracker
With Queen being more on King's tier than Jack's for the Beast Pirates, while Smoothie is more on Cracker's tier for the Big Mom pirates.
That was clearly an outlier with Chopper being unable to leave a scratch on a Queen who was playing around in the following 30 minutes according to Chopper's own words, and seeing how the multiple named moves Marco used on Queen ended up leaving no lasting damage.
I think Jack is inferior to Queen in every single way. Take away all of Queen's tech enhancements, and he's still a bigger version of Jack who surpasses him in all stats, and has a way larger ancient Zoan to beef up said stats further in hybrid.
If i were to give numbers like you did i'd say if King's a 95, Queen is indeed at least a 90, and Jack is somewhere between 70 and 80 at beast.
I think Jack is inferior to Queen in every single way. Take away all of Queen's tech enhancements, and he's still a bigger version of Jack who surpasses him in all stats, and has a way larger ancient Zoan to beef up said stats further in hybrid.
If i were to give numbers like you did i'd say if King's a 95, Queen is indeed at least a 90, and Jack is somewhere between 70 and 80 at beast.
Zoro pretty much implied that they're relative.
What could happen is that the difference in strength between Zoro and Sanji will be ambiguous.
Oda might leave it up in the air for fans to decide how much Marco damaged King and how recovered Zoro is.
Sanji fans will assume that King is on his deathbed and that Zoro is back to full health.
While Zoro fans will assume that King took 0 damage from Marco and that Zoro was healed by only 10%.
Though, if we stay consistent with what we've seen in the raid so far, I think Oda will end up doing what the Zoro fans want.
He'll make it so that King is barely damaged from the 20 or so minutes of fighting 1-on-1 with Marco while he makes Zoro recover by 40 or 50%. Then it looks much more impressive for Zoro to have defeated King while Sanji defeated Queen while starting on full health himself.
Overall, I don't think you have to try and twist shit to say that Queen and King aren't set up to look relative as of right now, lol.
What could happen is that the difference in strength between Zoro and Sanji will be ambiguous.
Oda might leave it up in the air for fans to decide how much Marco damaged King and how recovered Zoro is.
Sanji fans will assume that King is on his deathbed and that Zoro is back to full health.
While Zoro fans will assume that King took 0 damage from Marco and that Zoro was healed by only 10%.
Though, if we stay consistent with what we've seen in the raid so far, I think Oda will end up doing what the Zoro fans want.
He'll make it so that King is barely damaged from the 20 or so minutes of fighting 1-on-1 with Marco while he makes Zoro recover by 40 or 50%. Then it looks much more impressive for Zoro to have defeated King while Sanji defeated Queen while starting on full health himself.
Overall, I don't think you have to try and twist shit to say that Queen and King aren't set up to look relative as of right now, lol.
Feel the same way. Oda likes to pit the Zoro and Sanji fandoms against each other. If he can do anything at all to muddy it just enough to put them at each other’s throats he will. Especially after hyping Zoro up and having Sanji in a rut. He’s basically primed and wound up both groups for maximize carnage.
Neither of the two is portrayed or stated to be the Strongest among the Beast Pirates Commanders, unlike the Big Mom Pirates where it was not only implicitly stated that Katakuri stood above everyone else, it was also showcased. Oda is clearly not trying to distinguish one from the other, unlike he did with the Big Mom Pirates. He's doing the exact opposite. He differentiates King and Queen from Jack, but not King and Queen from each other.
These two might share gag moments with each other, but at the same time, they are being portrayed relatively around the same level of strength as well. This is showcased by having King momentarily taking down Sanji, and Queen momentarily stopping Zoro and Luffy from going to the roof. After that, Oda paired them up to be stopped by Marco at the same time. When Kings bounty is revealed, I have a feeling the difference between him and Queen will be miniscule, and it can be in either direction.
These two might share gag moments with each other, but at the same time, they are being portrayed relatively around the same level of strength as well. This is showcased by having King momentarily taking down Sanji, and Queen momentarily stopping Zoro and Luffy from going to the roof. After that, Oda paired them up to be stopped by Marco at the same time. When Kings bounty is revealed, I have a feeling the difference between him and Queen will be miniscule, and it can be in either direction.