Fanclub The V̶i̶n̶s̶m̶o̶k̶e̶ Sanji FC: The Prince of love

[RayanOO]

Is not the consensus.
But I THINK the majority thinks he will. Despite being for different reasons.
Have anybody here watched a show called "Medabots"?
If you did, do you remember the big deal about Rare Medals when they were introduced, and by the end of the show most of the "main characters" had it?
CoC gives me the exact same vibe. LMAO.

Yeah when you trivialize a super power that early in the game to keep the hype and the power inflation and the progress you begin to give it to anyone like candy

« normal » COC was meant to be a huge deal and now you have the advanced COC that only the strongest can have. So the normal one is trivialized and you can give it to more characters, and all the future bosses have to have the new shiny Ad COC go stay relevant

 

[Doggo]

Yeah when you trivialize a super power that early in the game to keep the hype and the power inflation and the progress you begin to give it to anyone like candy

« normal » COC was meant to be a huge deal and now you have the advanced COC that only the strongest can have. So the normal one is trivialized and you can give it to more characters, and all the future have to have the new shiny Ad COC go stay relevant

This is my honest impression about Conqueror's Haki in One Piece.
My first impression was that it was just some intimidating aura like some powerful creatures have in TableTop RPG's. It gives them this menacing vibe that weaker people couldn't even touch them. It was also used to speak highly of those who could normally resist this aura. It also carried a meaning of leadership, charisma, etc.
Later on we have this weird ass confusion if CoC is something that one is born with, or something that anyone can unlock, just like the others two, but most fail to do so. What makes it even more weird is the how it is shown. A crying Doflamingo unlocks his, a raging Luffy in the middle of Marineford uses it, but people like Sengoku, Ace, even freaking WB don't use it, despite being confirmed that they have it? Really? Some random rookie that can't even control it uses it and amazes a bunch of veterans that should have an even more powerful CoC of their own?
The "leadership" and "charisma" part is also why I legit didn't like Zoro getting it. Zoro has a lot of good things going for him, but "charismatic leader" is DEFINITELY not one of them. So "conqueror" is something that translates into "charisma"? Or "strenght"? Defined by some weird competitive spirit to top everyone.
Now, CoC became a literal power boost. It's basically a "power gate".
"If you are level X, unlocking CoC will boost you to 2X. If you don't unlock CoC, you have a ceiling limit".
This is my current impression of Coc, and I don't like it. Not a single little iffy tiny bit. Which is also why I don't want Sanji getting it.

 

[YASER]

:cheers:

 

[RayanOO]

I don’t know if Sanji will have COC but if he has I really want it to be with character development, with struggle, with réalisation of his potential and will etc. I want it to be an important moment. Not just : « I used COC ? I didn’t know my bad » or not just because he will say a line about his captain dream

 

[Doggo]

I don’t know if Sanji will have COC but if he has I really want it to be with character development, with struggle, with réalisation of his potential and will etc. I want it to be an important moment. Not just : « I used COC ? I didn’t know my bad » or not just because he will say a line about his captain dream

I'll say it only here without tagging anyone because I don't want to start some conflict or whatever and get banned for it.
But whenever I see "sanji can't have CoC because WCI", my brain hurts.
Sanji's willpower portrayal reminds me a LOT of Hal Jordan. Initially doesn't believe in himself much, creates excuses all the time, fails, gets down, then gets up, bounces back to action, and shows what he's capable of.
This "bouncing back" willpower theme is something SO COMMON in fiction (Aragorn in LotR movie trilogy as well, etc), that it makes me wonder if a lot of people in this forum read/watch anything else besides generic shounens and One Piece.

If Oda makes Sanji goes this route (which seems to be the case with immediately asking for Robin's help, and telling Chopper to "not lose hope in Luffy") and gives him CoC, also working with his identity theme of accepting his Vinsmoke heritage, without stopping being his own person, it can DEFINITELY be something REALLY special and I would LOVE IT.
Not something I would bet my chips on, though.

 

[Hiragaro]

I don’t know if Sanji will have COC but if he has I really want it to be with character development, with struggle, with réalisation of his potential and will etc. I want it to be an important moment. Not just : « I used COC ? I didn’t know my bad » or not just because he will say a line about his captain dream

Luffy first time using CoC was against a fucking cow...no emotional trigger, nothing.

The best moment was honestly in WCI when his family was about to be executed. That should have been enough of an emotional reason for him to unlock it. Similiar to how Luffy used it when Ace was about to be executed or on Amazon Lily, when the women (forgot their names) were almost killed. Sanji would have safed them in that moment, knock out the fodder and make the stronger people shocked and freeze for a moment, so Sanji could get to them and break the Candy.


It would also be a perfect kick in Judges balls, as the ''failure'' had the qualities of a King. How would Judge feel, when the one who he
hated the most, never saw any worth in, would have the power of a conqueror, the quality of a King. I mean, what would deliver this message ''you were wrong and you are trash compared to me'' to Judge better than this?

But Oda wasted such a perfect opportunity for a screaming BM...

 

[RayanOO]

I'll say it only here without tagging anyone because I don't want to start some conflict or whatever and get banned for it.
But whenever I see "sanji can't have CoC because WCI", my brain hurts.
Sanji's willpower portrayal reminds me a LOT of Hal Jordan. Initially doesn't believe in himself much, creates excuses all the time, fails, gets down, then gets up, bounces back to action, and shows what he's capable of.
This "bouncing back" willpower theme is something SO COMMON in fiction (Aragorn in LotR movie trilogy as well, etc), that it makes me wonder if a lot of people in this forum read/watch anything else besides generic shounens and One Piece.

If Oda makes Sanji goes this route (which seems to be the case with immediately asking for Robin's help, and telling Chopper to "not lose hope in Luffy") and gives him CoC, also working with his identity theme of accepting his Vinsmoke heritage, without stopping being his own person, it can DEFINITELY be something REALLY special and I would LOVE IT.
Not something I would bet my chips on, though.

Oh yeah, I 1000x prefer someone who stumbles, who is not 100% sure of himself and sure of his believes, learns to know himself and raises his head

Sanji « Weak » or conflicted moments are a good part of why I like him

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I don’t know if Sanji will have COC but if he has I really want it to be with character development, with struggle, with réalisation of his potential and will etc. I want it to be an important moment. Not just : « I used COC ? I didn’t know my bad » or not just because he will say a line about his captain dream

I’m hoping it’ll relate to his mother. With Queen calling him son of Judge I’m assuming there’ll be a scene where Sanji says his name is Black Leg Vinsmoke Sanji. Son of vinsmoke Sora and Red Leg Zeff

 

[Hiragaro]

where Sanji says his name is Black Leg Vinsmoke Sanji. Son of vinsmoke Sora and Red Leg Zeff

That would be weird lol

 

[Un-amed]

Luffy first time using CoC was against a fucking cow...no emotional trigger, nothing.

The best moment was honestly in WCI when his family was about to be executed. That should have been enough of an emotional reason for him to unlock it. Similiar to how Luffy used it when Ace was about to be executed or on Amazon Lily, when the women (forgot their names) were almost killed. Sanji would have safed them in that moment, knock out the fodder and make the stronger people shocked and freeze for a moment, so Sanji could get to them and break the Candy.


It would also be a perfect kick in Judges balls, as the ''failure'' had the qualities of a King. How would Judge feel, when the one who he
hated the most, never saw any worth in, would have the power of a conqueror, the quality of a King. I mean, what would deliver this message ''you were wrong and you are trash compared to me'' to Judge better than this?

But Oda wasted such a perfect opportunity for a screaming BM...

Because Zoro has to be the Second, and Sanji the Third, Whole cake was Full of Sanji CoC moments
XDXD

 

[RayanOO]

The problem I have with « zoro » arc for now is it’s only about power level, he wasn’t challenged emotionally, or about his path or choices etc. He only has to become stronger.,...

 

[BangOO🍅]

I read somewhere long time ago there is a possibility if Zeff was an ex Rocks Pirates crew lol

 

[Doggo]

I read somewhere long time ago there is a possibility if Zeff was an ex Rocks Pirates crew lol

 

[BangOO🍅]

That would be interesting though, the most kind Strawhats is raised by an ex villain pirates, an evil King, and an Okama.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I'll say it only here without tagging anyone because I don't want to start some conflict or whatever and get banned for it.
But whenever I see "sanji can't have CoC because WCI", my brain hurts.
Sanji's willpower portrayal reminds me a LOT of Hal Jordan. Initially doesn't believe in himself much, creates excuses all the time, fails, gets down, then gets up, bounces back to action, and shows what he's capable of.
This "bouncing back" willpower theme is something SO COMMON in fiction (Aragorn in LotR movie trilogy as well, etc), that it makes me wonder if a lot of people in this forum read/watch anything else besides generic shounens and One Piece.

If Oda makes Sanji goes this route (which seems to be the case with immediately asking for Robin's help, and telling Chopper to "not lose hope in Luffy") and gives him CoC, also working with his identity theme of accepting his Vinsmoke heritage, without stopping being his own person, it can DEFINITELY be something REALLY special and I would LOVE IT.
Not something I would bet my chips on, though.

Just ignore those people cause we all know who you’re referring to.

 

[Doggo]

That would be interesting though, the most kind Strawhats is raised by an ex villain pirates, an evil King, and an Okama.

But Zeff was already infamous when introduced.
No need to put all eggs in one basket.
It shrinks the worldbuilding, putting every single character in the same crew. That's just a personal thing of mine, though. :P

 

[YASER]

 

[BangOO🍅]

Sanji is the key of the world balance

 

[Julius]

All i want is that Queen's acknowledgment of Judge and the possible links envolving Sanji bring something good for the character, story and strengthwise, not the"omg i need the suit to fight!", making him completely dependent on it...

Otherwise this moment will look kinda pointless imo

 

[BangOO🍅]

All i want is that Queen's acknowledgment of Judge and the possible links envolving Sanji bring something good for the character, story and strengthwise, not the"omg i need the suit to fight!", making him completely dependent on it...

Otherwise this moment will look kinda pointless imo

Tbh i dont care about the fight unless Queen reveal something about Judge and also the raid suit, and i hope even the origin of Diaburu Jambe