Speculations Why do people believe that Killer vs Hawkins and Drake vs Apoo will actually have a definitive winner?

#1
It makes absolutely no sense for both of these fights to be the major contribution of these 4 Supernova for this arc for the following reasons:

1. Killer vs Hawkins and Drake vs Apoo had no setup, which suggests that they’re just time-wasting fights and not actually important. Drake and Apoo had absolutely no interactions until they suddenly started fighting, so there’s no emotional investment in the fight other than Drake saying he thinks Apoo is annoying. Killer may hold a bit of a grudge against Hawkins for not sticking with him and Kid, but Killer should understand that it was Apoo’s fault that they were put in that situation and that Hawkins just made the logical, but cowardly, choice in order to save himself. If Oda really wanted Killer to gain a W over any Supernova, he’d have had him fight Apoo instead considering that Apoo, and not Hawkins, is the reason why him and his crew got beaten and captured, as well as why he was forced to eat a defective SMILE and serve Orochi.

2. Their fights would achieve nothing. Why include these 4 in the arc if you’re just gonna have them fight each other? This problem could have very easily been solved by just not writing Hawkins and Apoo into the Beast Pirates and the Wano arc, and it’s not like Oda just really wanted to draw a cool fight between these guys, considering that he has been giving these fights zero screentime and obviously doesn’t care about them too much.

3. Oda doesn’t like drawing Supernovas beating each other in a fair fight. Sure, Oda will portray some better than others, but even if there is a very obvious power gap between the two, Oda doesn’t like drawing a SN straight up beating another SN because it destroys the illusion that they’re all supposed to be rivals. Hence why Oda didn’t have Zoro vs Hawkins have a conclusion. Hence why Oda had Zoro vs Kamazo not be a fair fight since Killer was nerfed and Zoro was distracted by Gyukimaru, and even then the fight ended with both of them getting KOed. Law and Hawkins had an inconclusive fight and later in the arc, Law did beat Hawkins, but this was obviously because Drake secretly freed Law without Hawkins knowing, and then Law probably ambushed Hawkins, so obviously not a fair fight. Oda didn’t even let Luffy beat Apoo, even though he should clearly be stronger. Zoro didn’t even get to beat Apoo since Apoo got up right after Zoro’s slash. Oda won’t draw Killer and Drake beating Hawkins and Apoo

4. Why give Drake so much build-up for this arc if all he’s gonna do is one shot a Number and fight Apoo? Drake’s role in the Wano arc has been hyped up ever since PH when he was included in Caribou’s cover story and revealed to be working for Kaido. Why hype up his appearance in Wano that much if all he’s gonna do is fight Apoo off screen? That would be extremely underwhelming

5. Apoo has already been set up to eventually abandon the Beast Pirates since Queen forced him to be chased down by an entire army just for the sake of his own amusement, and then tried to shoot Apoo when he failed.

6. Toki’s 9 shadows prophecy is unfulfilled. Obviously it wasn’t referring to the Scabbards since they did jack shit to Kaido. The prophecy is referring to Luffy, Zoro, Kid, Killer, Law, Drake, Hawkins, Apoo, and Yamato, who will be the ones to take down the 2 Yonko.

These two fights are just designed to remove the 4 SNs from the story until Oda decides that he needs them for the important stuff
 
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Lhulu

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#2
1- Hawkins and Killer(or just the last one) will join the fight against Big Mom.

2- Apoo and Drake can join Sanji against Queen(I still doubt this possibility).

3- Drake's main role it's something about CP0 for sure.

Didn't the prophecy just refer to Kaido?
 
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#3
It makes absolutely no sense for both of these fights to be the major contribution of these 4 Supernova for this arc for the following reasons:

1. Killer vs Hawkins and Drake vs Apoo had no setup, which suggests that they’re just time-wasting fights and not actually important. Drake and Apoo had absolutely no interactions until they suddenly started fighting, so there’s no emotional investment in the fight other than Drake saying he thinks Apoo is annoying. Killer may hold a bit of a grudge against Hawkins for not sticking with him and Kid, but Killer should understand that it was Apoo’s fault that they were put in that situation and that Hawkins just made the logical, but cowardly, choice in order to save himself. If Oda really wanted Killer to gain a W over any Supernova, he’d have had him fight Apoo instead considering that Apoo, and not Hawkins, is the reason why him and his crew got beaten and captured, as well as why he was forced to eat a defective SMILE and serve Orochi.

2. Their fights would achieve nothing. Why include these 4 in the arc if you’re just gonna have them fight each other? This problem could have very easily been solved by just not writing Hawkins and Apoo into the Beast Pirates and the Wano arc, and it’s not like Oda just really wanted to draw a cool fight between these guys, considering that he has been giving these fights zero screentime and obviously doesn’t care about them too much.

3. Oda doesn’t like drawing Supernovas beating each other in a fair fight. Sure, Oda will portray some better than others, but even if there is a very obvious power gap between the two, Oda doesn’t like drawing a SN straight up beating another SN because it destroys the illusion that they’re all supposed to be rivals. Hence why Oda didn’t have Zoro vs Hawkins have a conclusion. Hence why Oda had Zoro vs Kamazo not be a fair fight since Killer was nerfed and Zoro was distracted by Gyukimaru, and even then the fight ended with both of them getting KOed. Law and Hawkins had an inconclusive fight and later in the arc, Law did beat Hawkins, but this was obviously because Drake secretly freed Law without Hawkins knowing, and then Law probably ambushed Hawkins, so obviously not a fair fight. Oda didn’t even let Luffy beat Apoo, even though he should clearly be stronger. Zoro didn’t even get to beat Apoo since Apoo got up right after Zoro’s slash. Oda won’t draw Killer and Drake beating Hawkins and Apoo

4. Why give Drake so much build-up for this arc if all he’s gonna do is one shot a Number and fight Apoo? Drake’s role in the Wano arc has been hyped up ever since PH when he was included in Caribou’s cover story and revealed to be working for Kaido. Why hype up his appearance in Wano that much if all he’s gonna do is fight Apoo off screen? That would be extremely underwhelming

5. Apoo has already been set up to eventually abandon the Beast Pirates since Queen forced him to be chased down by an entire army just for the sake of his own amusement, and then tried to shoot Apoo when he failed.

6. Toki’s 9 shadows prophecy is unfulfilled. Obviously it wasn’t referring to the Scabbards since they did jack shit to Kaido. The prophecy is referring to Luffy, Zoro, Kid, Killer, Law, Drake, Hawkins, Apoo, and Yamato, who will be the ones to take down the 2 Yonko.

These two fights are just designed to remove the 4 SNs from the story until Oda decides that he needs them for the important stuff
Lemme start by saying that I fully agree on Oda's portayal of the SNs, whon are supposed to be a danger to each other no matter what.

When it comes to Killer vs Hawkins I see your point and kinda agree, but partially. This is a fight that makes sense and I explained my opinion in this thread:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/killers-payback-night.14759/
I think that Killer has all the reasons of this world to put down Hawkins, asserting himself both phisically and mentally as the winner of their confrontation. Will this lead to Hawkins redemption and a temporary collaboration between these two, so that they can help Kidd and Law against Linlin? It's possible. The only thing I know for sure is that their role ain't ending with this battle.

On Drake vs Apoo I completely agree, their battle makes no sense (they're probably just stalling) and won't lead to a conclusion. Yeah someone could say that they are the infiltrators (Drake as a SWORD agent under Beast Pirates and Apoo as a Beast Pirate allied with Kidd) but still too shallow imo.
Their roles? I used to think that Drake was meant to be Queen's opponent, but now he can only tag with Sanji... Drake could also have a confrontation with CP0 seen his SWORD status.
Apoo? Eh... don't know about this guy, whatever he gonna do is gonna involve the Numbers tho
 
#4
1- Hawkins and Killer(or just the last one) will join the fight against Big Mom.

2- Apoo and Drake can join Sanji against Queen(I still have a little doubt this possibility).

3- Drake's main role it's something about CP0 for sure.

Didn't the prophecy just refer to Kaido?
1. Agree

2. That’s too overkill for Queen. Just one of them would make the fight too easy. Sanji will beat Queen solo

3. CP0 seems to have no intent to fight. They’re just here to observe the battle and report back to the WG about what happened

I think the prophecy is retconned to include BM since Oda forced her into the arc. Taking her down is just as important as taking Kaido down since even if Luffy beats Kaido, BM could just finish him off and then she would be the one subjugating Wano
 
#7
Because Apoo and Drake have been fighting for 20 minutes and it’s still ongoing. Can’t see this fight suddenly ending for no reason.

They’re the snitches fighting one another after all.
Lol that’s the entire reason why it won’t have a victor. Their fight has been offscreened for 20 chapters. Clearly Oda doesn’t care about it and is just having them fight to occupy them until Oda wants to use them
 
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