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KiriNigiri

The Road To Harmony
So your reason boils down to "Zoro isn't strong enough."

Ignoring for the moment we don't know exactly how strong Zoro really is, or how strong he will be by the time for the battle against Kaido, let's make something clear, no one, I repeat, no one besides Linlin is strong enough to directly take on Kaido in Wano. Oda's made it abundantly obvious how much more powerful Kaido is compared to Luffy, the strongest member of the alliance. Luffy will likely not defeat him alone. So what should Oda do? Come up with methods to help in his(Kaido's) defeat.

The first was to improve Luffy's Armament proficiency. Second was to include likely candidates for it, such as Kid. Another is Zoro.

Now why Zoro? Well, it just so happens Zoro is carrying the one sword to have left a scar on Kaido. Now the conditions which led to Kaido receiving it are unclear, but why mention the Kaido scarring bit if Zoro will not be involved with Kaido? The sword could've been hyped up in any number of ways. Yet Oda deliberately included that detail. Look up Chekhov's gun because that's exactly what it is. Every element of a story you introduce must play a part in it. If Enma is said to be a sword to have hurt Kaido, then that factoid must come to play at some point in the main conflict. Considering how it was used to end a chapter, no less cap off a volume, it's a very important piece of info.

There is obvious allusions being made to Zoro's role in Kaido's defeat. How Oda plays with the panels and speech bubbles are clearly meant to send a message.



If you can't see the obvious similarities between these panels, then we might as well be done here.

Circling back to the "Zoro isn't strong enough" argument, how is he not strong enough? Because One Piece doesn't follow a linear power progression. Characters are defined by their traits and abilities. How things interact with eachother is somethimes more important than who can throw the strongest punch. Take Nami for example, who proved more effective against Cracker(A top commander of a Yonko) and his biscuit soldiers than Luffy did prior. Law was able to damage Doffy's innards through Gamma knife while Luffy frustratingly tried to keep up with him earlier. By connecting Zoro with Kaido, Oda is already sowing seeds in how he can damage him. That begins with Enma, a sword described as "cutting more than intended." What more can Oda do with this sword? Do we just leave it to sucking away a user's haki? Or is there more to it? Can the sword tap into the hidden haki reservoirs the user couldn't before? Does it channel and store the haki passed on to it? We don't know, but Oda's provided himself the avenue by constructing Enma the way he did.

There's a lot of which we don't know about it, and to go along with that, Zoro himself will not remain stagnant power wise, as he is set to have an apparent combat presence for the rest of the arc.
 
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Inspector_Mu

So your reason boils down to "Zoro isn't strong enough."

Ignoring for the moment we don't know exactly how strong Zoro really is, or how strong he will be by the time for the battle against Kaido, let's make something clear, no one, I repeat, no one besides Linlin is strong enough to directly take on Kaido in Wano. Oda's made it abundantly obvious how much more powerful Kaido is compared to Luffy, the strongest member of the alliance. Luffy will likely not defeat him alone. So what should Oda do? Come up with methods to help in his(Kaido's) defeat.

The first was to improve Luffy's Armament proficiency. Second was to include likely candidates for it, such as Kid. Another is Zoro.

Now why Zoro? Well, it just so happens Zoro is carrying the one sword to have left a scar on Kaido. Now the conditions which led to Kaido receiving it are unclear, but why mention the Kaido scarring bit if Zoro will not be involved with Kaido? The sword could've been hyped up in any number of ways. Yet Oda deliberately included that detail. Look up Chekhov's gun because that's exactly what it is. Every element of a story you introduce must play a part in it. If Enma is said to be a sword to have hurt Kaido, then that factoid must come to play at some point in the main conflict. Considering how it was used to end a chapter, no less cap off a volume, it's a very important piece of info.

There is obvious allusions being made to Zoro's role in Kaido's defeat. How Oda plays with the panels and speech bubbles are clearly meant to send a message.



If you can't see the obvious similarities between these panels, then we might as well be done here.

Circling back to the "Zoro isn't strong enough" argument, how is he not strong enough? Because One Piece doesn't follow a linear power progression. Characters are defined by their traits and abilities. How things interact with eachother is somethimes more important than who can throw the strongest punch. Take Nami for example, who proved more effective against Cracker(A top commander of a Yonko) and his biscuit soldiers than Luffy did prior. Law was able to damage Doffy's innards through Gamma knife while Luffy frustratingly tried to keep up with him earlier. By connecting Zoro with Kaido, Oda is already sowing seeds in how he can damage him. That begins with Enma, a sword described as "cutting more than intended." What more can Oda do with this sword? Do we just leave it to sucking away a user's haki? Or is there more to it? Can the sword tap into the hidden haki reservoirs the user couldn't before? Does it channel and store the haki passed on to it? We don't know, but Oda's provided himself the avenue by constructing Enma the way he did.

There's a lot of which we don't know about it, and to go along with that, Zoro himself will not remain stagnant power wise, as he is set to have an apparent combat presence for the rest of the arc.
Even the page you posted
Zoro is only worrying about Yasu

Zoro hasnt shown any rage against kaidou yet
He hasn't said he want to cut Kaido

Zoro still has nothing to do with Kaido personally

Luffy Kidd law are the only ones
 
You are wasting time
these guys believe Zoro isnt oneshot to Kaido when he was oneshotted by a single stab from Killer
Why didn't Zoro immediately fall after he got hit like Luffy.

Why was he able to continue the battle and one shot Killer.
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Even the page you posted
Zoro is only worrying about Yasu

Zoro hasnt shown any rage against kaidou yet
He hasn't said he want to cut Kaido

Zoro still has nothing to do with Kaido personally

Luffy Kidd law are the only ones
Zoro is realizing everything that has happened in Wano for the past 20 years is because of Kaido. He is the cause of so much suffering.
 
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Inspector_Mu

Why is Law here? He is a weakling who was low diffed by Doffy.
It is not about PL or whatever
It is about build up
Kaido has personal grudge against law and luffy
Luffy and kidd have a grudge against Kaido
Law too wanna take down Kaido.

So far only the top 3 SN have direct build up personally with Kaido
 
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Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
C'mon people, you expect Zoro to undertake such a freaking training after such a freaking sword plot has been introduced.... simply in order to destroy a weakling like King whom Luffy would low diff?

This is Oda we are talking about :kriwhat:
 
It is not about PL or whatever
It is about build up
Kaido has personal grudge against law and luffy
Luffy and law have a grudge against Kaido
Law too wanna take down Kaido.

So far only the top 3 SN have direct build up personally with Kaido
Such a hypocrite... You keep disappointing...
brook got only powers that can hurt bm's soul, how about that for build up!

just because you get something, doesn't mean you want or will use it.
Then again Brook allowed Nami to get Zeus and was the one who face BM the most in the SHs so what's your point ?
 
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Inspector_Mu

This seems rather a pointless discussion, Oden scarred young Kaido and still died.
No
Zoro > Prime Oden
Zoro is top tier currently
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Such a hypocrite... You keep disappointing...

Then again Brook allowed Nami to get Zeus and was the one who face BM the most in the SHs so what's your point ?
So hypocrite coz Zoro has no personal build up with Kaido?
Hasnt said a thing about cutting Kaido?

Your only argument is " he is welding enma"

Yeah brook has soul powers... he did great damage to BM homies. The first ever to damage homies
Oops a small cut on Prometheus cheek. That's all Brook could do.
Even when he hit Zeus, he only sliced him and did no damage.

Oden is the first ever to hurt Kaido skin and died
Zoro isn't doing better anyway . He is way below Young Oden even.

Forget that
Until Zoro shifts his attention from orochi to Kaido,
I retain my view.
 
He didnt take her down or help take her down. Point
Nobody took Big mom down during WCI. Everyone was too weak. In fact that era wasn't about beating Big mom so that argument is irrelevant.
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No
Zoro > Prime Oden
Zoro is top tier currently
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So hypocrite coz Zoro has no personal build up with Kaido?
Hasnt said a thing about cutting Kaido?

Your only argument is " he is welding enma"

Yeah brook has soul powers... he did great damage to BM homies. The first ever to damage homies
Oops a small cut on Prometheus cheek. That's all Brook could do.
Even when he hit Zeus, he only sliced him and did no damage.

Oden is the first ever to hurt Kaido skin and died
Zoro isn't doing better anyway . He is way below Young Oden even.

Forget that
Until Zoro shifts his attention from orochi to Kaido,
I retain my view.
Kaido is the main enemy of this era. Everything that's being going in One Piece involving the straw hats has been related to Kaido and leading up to this point.

You don't know how strong Zoro will be near the end of this era. There is much growth hinted for him.

- mastery of enma
- stronger and higher level mastery of CoA

- forge a black blade
- mastery of BOAT
- obtaining the 2nd gen demon splitter
- obtain the ability to cut fire
- becoming 2nd Ryuma
 
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