One Piece Chapter 965 Spoilers Discussion

[Red Admiral]

Of course Roger is a swordsman but who cares? He's never been called WSS and Mihawk became WSS after Roger was dead so again who cares about Roger in this situation?

what?
this is about the LOGIC man

if WSS is the swordsman who is stronger than the rest ... then Roger should be WSS ... but he is not

and prove WSS title is not about over all power

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Show me where Roger has officially been called a swordsman.

so that's is .... you want to stay behind the wall of deny and scream : NO!!!

Oda showing over and over and over again that Roger main weapon is sword have no meaning for you

I bet nothing would change if in next SBS oda say: yes , Roger is officially a swordsman

 

[HA001]

what?
this is about the LOGIC man

if WSS is the swordsman who is stronger than the rest ... then Roger should be WSS ... but he is not

and prove WSS title is not about over all power

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so that's is .... you want to stay behind the wall of deny and scream : NO!!!

Oda showing over and over and over again that Roger main weapon is sword have no meaning for you

I bet nothing would change if in next SBS oda say: yes , Roger is officially a swordsman

Mihawks not old enough to be wss in rogers era.
Roger could well be the wss of that era.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Was he ? At rogers execution and when he met yassop he purposely covers the eye.

Go check the scene where Luffy confronts Whitebeard at Marineford after Blocking Crocodile. Whitebeard notices the strawhat on Luffy's back and remembers Shanks, and there was a panel of adult Shanks with NO scars. I posted the panel twice. But I am too lazy to go and copy the link once again.

 

[Red Admiral]

Roger could well be the wss of that era.

and if he wasn't?

Oda had MANY MANY chance to tell us if he was ...

even in very last chapter ... but he didn't ....cause he wasn't ... at least this claim is MUCH stronger

 

[HA001]

Go check the scene where Luffy confronts Whitebeard at Marineford after Blocking Crocodile. Whitebeard notices the strawhat on Luffy's back and remembers Shanks, and there was a panel of adult Shanks with NO scars. I posted the panel twice. But I am too lazy to go and copy the link once again.

He was a kid then. Thats when wb remembers him when he fought roger. Bb gave shanks the scar when he was a kid on rogers ship.

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and if he wasn't?

Oda had MANY MANY chance to tell us if he was ...

even in very last chapter ... but he didn't ....cause he wasn't ... at least this claim is MUCH stronger

Lets see him fight wb first.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

if WSS is the swordsman who is stronger than the rest ... then Roger should be WSS ... but he is not

and prove WSS title is not about over all power

Wait up, you are saying that it's a must that Roger should've been WSS?

Who told you that? Where's his black blade then? What exactly has Roger done to say it's must that he should've been WSS?

 

[Red Admiral]

Lets see him fight wb first.

so he fought with Shiki using a sword ... but it wasn't enough
so he fought with Rock using a sword ... but it wasn't enough
so he carry a sword all the time with him .... but it wasn't enough


are you sure if we see him fight Whitebeard with a sword something would change for you?!

we most likely would see a clash

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

He was a kid then. Thats when wb remembers him when he fought roger. Bb gave shanks the scar when he was a kid on rogers ship.

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Lets see him fight wb first.

If that's a kid Shanks, and NOT an adult Shanks, then I'm sorry to say this man, but check your eyes and go see a doctor

 

[Red Admiral]

Wait up, you are saying that it's a must that Roger should've been WSS?

Who told you that? Where's his black blade then? What exactly has Roger done to say it's must that he should've been WSS?

OK ... I'm confuze ...

what is the meaning of WSS for you ....

I'm not saying Roger SHOULD have been ... but if some one think : WSS is a swordsman who is stronger than all other swordsman (not more skillful) ... then by THIS LOGIC he should ... but he ain't ... so this logic is false

 

[HA001]

so he fought with Shiki using a sword ... but it wasn't enough
so he fought with Rock using a sword ... but it wasn't enough
so he carry a sword all the time with him .... but it wasn't enough


are you sure if we see him fight Whitebeard with a sword something would change for you?!

we most likely would see a clash

No im on about if hes the wss. Weve not seen a proper clash with roger yet.
It could forward in time to roger stalemating wb with wb as wsm and roger as the wss.

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If that's a kid Shanks, and NOT an adult Shanks, then I'm sorry to say this man, but check your eyes and go see a doctor

Thats kid shanks on rogers ship.
Theres no other chance in bbs life where he would have gotten close to shanks.
Wb hasnt seen shanks since roger ship so when was bb supposed to scar him.

 

[Red Admiral]

No im on about if hes the wss. Weve not seen a proper clash with roger yet.
It could forward in time to roger stalemating wb with wb as wsm and roger as the wss.

so when Oda gonna tell us that? that he was WSS?

he didn't said it by now
he didn't said it in new box for Roger
if by end of flash back Roger don't be called WSS it's enough for you?


how can we prove you wrong?

 

[pedxi]

When Oden joined Roger Shanks didn't got his scar

 

[Rmstorm]

No im on about if hes the wss. Weve not seen a proper clash with roger yet.
It could forward in time to roger stalemating wb with wb as wsm and roger as the wss.

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Thats kid shanks on rogers ship.
Theres no other chance in bbs life where he would have gotten close to shanks.
Wb hasnt seen shanks since roger ship so when was bb supposed to scar him.

Before he started his crew since his Pirate Flag is a picture of his 3 Scars.

I know its your alternative account nik87

 

[Red Admiral]

When Oden joined Roger Shanks didn't got his scar

Shanks didn't had his scar by end of last journey

 

[Kejon]

Lmfao. Hawkins dies in wano.

Hawkins is not going to die. He will still be extremely important at the end of the series.

 

[HA001]

so when Oda gonna tell us that? that he was WSS?

he didn't said it by now
he didn't said it in new box for Roger
if by end of flash back Roger don't be called WSS it's enough for you?


how can we prove you wrong?

Weve not seen roger clash with anyone yet. He didnt clash with shikki nor did we actually see the clash with rox.
Looking more and more likely that hes a swordsman who didnt reach the pinnacle of coa.

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When Oden joined Roger Shanks didn't got his scar

We know roger and wb met on wano after that. Bb could have done it then.

 

[Finalbeta]

That's where the Hakiman theory is getting stronger and stronger evidence. I see Rayleigh as the older gen Shanks. Oda even made parallels between them when comparing their CoC. Now Rayleigh is already seen as a legend with incredibly strong Haki. And his swordskill is also at the top. And Roger, he must be beyond that.

We have Whitebeard, who also uses a weapon. A weapon you would think is superior to Roger's saber (a humongous supreme grade blade). With Whitebeard having extremely good Haki as well (equally clashing with Shanks, splitting his the sky and having his CoC compared to Shanks in Marineford), and with his CoO being also at the top level as pointed out by @Bogard. On top, Whitebeard gets the strongest paramecia, that is able to destroy everything and shake continents.

And Roger, while on his death bed, terminally ill and holding himself alive with medication as pointed out by Rayleigh, just ties with Whitebeard? If it's no DF, he must have a special Haki related ability that has nothing to do with swordsmanship. Maybe CoC can really do crazy stuff.

And if Roger is classified as a swordsman, him not having a black blade is pretty odd.

I'm not entirely sure he never blackened a weapon, but yes I think it's a matter of fighting style at the end of the day, give him a DF that has got massive hax and he may not be classified as swordsman depending on situation. Otherwise I definitely see him as one for the moment.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

No im on about if hes the wss. Weve not seen a proper clash with roger yet.
It could forward in time to roger stalemating wb with wb as wsm and roger as the wss.

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Thats kid shanks on rogers ship.
Theres no other chance in bbs life where he would have gotten close to shanks.
Wb hasnt seen shanks since roger ship so when was bb supposed to scar him.

That's a fanboy talking, not the sound of a person using logic. Not only you need to see a doctor for your eyes my friend haha, but also, you need to realize that Shanks specifically was telling WB about the scar, and telling him that Blackbeard managed to do that when he was not letting his guard down, and that BB is stronger than what people think. Yet, somehow, it's logical for this whole "BB is dangerous" when he managed to do the scar to a freaking kid. When Shanks was too weak. The whole purpose of the conversation was for Shanks to warn WB about BB being possibly stronger than Ace who is strong but fame can deceive people (Shanks words not mine) and the whole point was to tell WB that "I am very strong, but BB managed to scar me despite me being strong and not letting my guard down". And I'm not saying Shanks was Yonko, of course he was not, but he was an adult or infamous enough to realize that BB is strong enough to be a commander and not a follower under commander. That's the whole point of Shanks-WB conversation. That's LOGIC
And evidence is panel
But shanks fans, never want to give credit to BB at all costs when it comes to Shanks

 

[Red Admiral]

Weve not seen roger clash with anyone yet. He didnt clash with shikki nor did we actually see the clash with rox.
Looking more and more likely that hes a swordsman who didnt reach the pinnacle of coa.

yes ... so as Shanks , Xebec , Dark King and ... cause they weren't focused on that term of power ....

but they can have other fire power ... if you say Mihawk > Shanks cause Mihawk > Shanks ... it's more fine ... but if you want to use WSS > Swordsman ... then we can back on Roger


so if Roger use a sword in his clash and we see it (no reason for him to drop his sword so not sure why you want to wait but anyway) would some thing change for you?


if Roger don't be called WSS by end of Oden flash back (if Oda want to give him that , this is it!)
if Roger use sword on his fight with Whitebeard

would some thing change for you?


I just want to see a bit fairness .... that our arguments have a point after years and we are willing to be flexible

 

[HA001]

That's a fanboy talking, not the sound of a person using logic. Not only you need to see a doctor for your eyes my friend haha, but also, you need to realize that Shanks specifically was telling WB about the scar, and telling him that Blackbeard managed to do that when he was not letting his guard down, and that BB is stronger than what people think. Yet, somehow, it's logical for this whole "BB is dangerous" when he managed to do the scar to a freaking kid. When Shanks was too weak. The whole purpose of the conversation was for Shanks to warn WB about BB being possibly stronger than Ace who is strong but fame can deceive people (Shanks words not mine) and the whole point was to tell WB that "I am very strong, but BB managed to scar me despite me being strong and not letting my guard down". And I'm not saying Shanks was Yonko, of course he was not, but he was an adult or infamous enough to realize that BB is strong enough to be a commander and not a follower under commander. That's the whole point of Shanks-WB conversation. That's LOGIC
And evidence is panel
But shanks fans, never want to give credit to BB at all costs when it comes to Shanks

Youre telling me bb waltzed up to yonko shanks scarred him and got away scot free as shanks and his crew did nothing ?
Bb stayed on the moby dick.
Shanks eye is covered at rogers death
So it stands to reason the last time roger fought wb bb scarred shanks.

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yes ... so as Shanks , Xebec , Dark King and ... cause they weren't focused on that term of power ....

but they can have other fire power ... if you say Mihawk > Shanks cause Mihawk > Shanks ... it's more fine ... but if you want to use WSS > Swordsman ... then we can back on Roger


so if Roger use a sword in his clash and we see it (no reason for him to drop his sword so not sure why you want to wait but anyway) would some thing change for you?


if Roger don't be called WSS by end of Oden flash back (if Oda want to give him that , this is it!)
if Roger use sword on his fight with Whitebeard

would some thing change for you?


I just want to see a bit fairness .... that our arguments have a point after years and we are willing to be flexible

The question is did 2 arm shanks surpass roger ?