General & Others Rayleigh is a mixture of both Zoro and Sanji
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It is strange to discuss this at this point. Pre time skip it had a meaning even if Oda hinself states that the core were Luffy, Zoro and Nami but anyway Sanji like Usopp amd a bit less the other SH all had their moments. Yet now post the time skip it is a bit strange to talk about this. All the SH bar Luffy havr been robbed of a lot of their panel time in order to introduce a ton of new characters each arc and develop their situations along with Luffy who keep and maybe even increases his panel time. Sonebody can argue that Sanji had his "year of Sanji" and that is right under a certain light but
1) He, like any other SH not named Luffy, was removed from the story for 1 - 2 years (curlyhats during Dressrosa and Sanji even during Zou and Zorohats during WCI).
2) Even WCI which should have been Sanji year had a lot of focus and development on Sanji and his character yet in the end we remember Sanji in WCI just for baking a cake and take revenge on his family, that is good and all but it is always Luffy eating almost the whole cake (focus of thes story). A lot of Sanji fans were rightly pussed that he even hadn't an actual fight in the whole arc (and since this is a shounen he should have get it).
So if now we look at the story there is a plot focused on Luffy and his temporary allies on the island and some spots here and there were we have a little of focus on other events (flashbacks, Kaido and BM, Zoro gets Enma, Sanji uses his raid suit, Reverie) and of course when we have situations with a lot of people and among them we have Luffy and other SH, Luffy acts while the other SH have at best some lines or are just background.
It would be interesting to see a panle time for Wano, I remember a dude back in Orojackson who did this forbthe whole.manga. We will have Luffy for sure at the first spot but you can be sure as well that Zoro and Sanji will not get the 2nd and 3rd spot.
1) He, like any other SH not named Luffy, was removed from the story for 1 - 2 years (curlyhats during Dressrosa and Sanji even during Zou and Zorohats during WCI).
2) Even WCI which should have been Sanji year had a lot of focus and development on Sanji and his character yet in the end we remember Sanji in WCI just for baking a cake and take revenge on his family, that is good and all but it is always Luffy eating almost the whole cake (focus of thes story). A lot of Sanji fans were rightly pussed that he even hadn't an actual fight in the whole arc (and since this is a shounen he should have get it).
So if now we look at the story there is a plot focused on Luffy and his temporary allies on the island and some spots here and there were we have a little of focus on other events (flashbacks, Kaido and BM, Zoro gets Enma, Sanji uses his raid suit, Reverie) and of course when we have situations with a lot of people and among them we have Luffy and other SH, Luffy acts while the other SH have at best some lines or are just background.
It would be interesting to see a panle time for Wano, I remember a dude back in Orojackson who did this forbthe whole.manga. We will have Luffy for sure at the first spot but you can be sure as well that Zoro and Sanji will not get the 2nd and 3rd spot.
Using the same logic then Shanks paralels Zoro.
- Loves drinking
- is a swordsman
- has a scar on the eye
- unusual hair color
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I wouldn't be so sure though.
Zoro already has more panel than anyone since the start of Wano.
- Loves drinking
- is a swordsman
- has a scar on the eye
- unusual hair color
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I wouldn't be so sure though.
Zoro already has more panel than anyone since the start of Wano.
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Sanji isnt a parallel to Scopper Gaban. Absolutely nothing supports this. Sanji and Zoro have consistently been represented as rivals for the entirety of the series. Yeah, Zoro is stronger but they are and have always been roughly on the same level.
Now onto how Rayleigh is a mix of both. For Zoro it's obvious. Both high class swordsman. They both have scars across their eyes. They are both the first mate of their respective crews. They're both much more stoic compared to their captain.
How is Sanji in some ways a parallel?
One of Rayleighs defining characteristics is his intelligence. He is significantly more careful, observant and tactical than Zoro. Which strawhat has saved the crew on atleast three occasions due to tactical planning and intelligence? Sanji
He also seems to be skilled in kicks. Definitely a deliberate choice.
Two of Rayeligh's initial characteristics are that he regularly mingles with women and drinks alot
Asethically, there is no doubt that he more closely resembles Zoro but, Rayleigh is basically the best of both Sanji and Zoro together. Calling Sanji- Gaban's parallel is just a weak attempt to minimize Sanji's importance to the crew and to the narrative. They are BOTH Luffy's hands.
At the end of the day. Sanji is Sanji. Zoro is Zoro. Rayleigh is Rayleigh but emphasizing some characteristics over others is stupid
Now onto how Rayleigh is a mix of both. For Zoro it's obvious. Both high class swordsman. They both have scars across their eyes. They are both the first mate of their respective crews. They're both much more stoic compared to their captain.
How is Sanji in some ways a parallel?
One of Rayleighs defining characteristics is his intelligence. He is significantly more careful, observant and tactical than Zoro. Which strawhat has saved the crew on atleast three occasions due to tactical planning and intelligence? Sanji
He also seems to be skilled in kicks. Definitely a deliberate choice.
Two of Rayeligh's initial characteristics are that he regularly mingles with women and drinks alot
Asethically, there is no doubt that he more closely resembles Zoro but, Rayleigh is basically the best of both Sanji and Zoro together. Calling Sanji- Gaban's parallel is just a weak attempt to minimize Sanji's importance to the crew and to the narrative. They are BOTH Luffy's hands.
At the end of the day. Sanji is Sanji. Zoro is Zoro. Rayleigh is Rayleigh but emphasizing some characteristics over others is stupid
- They both wear a bandana.
- They both use meitou.
- They both drink a lot.
- They both consider scars on their backs to be shameful.
- WB fought Roger to a standstill, Luffy and Zoro had an unresolved fight in Whiskey Peak with neither knowing who is stronger.
Honestly the reason why Luffy > Roger is because Luffy got two Rayleighs. Zoro is not more important than Sanji. He literally isnt. Everytime Zoro is put a step above in anything, Sanji goes up as well....and vice versa. Everytime Sanji is around, LuZo duo becomes the Monster Trio. And everytime Zoro isnt here we get the, LuSan duo.
- Both Zoro and Sanji got whole volume covers to themselves
- Both got their own arcs
- Both got a colourspread shared with Luffy and a Yonko
- Both have given Luffy advice and sacrificed themselves for the crew
Zoro encompasses Ray intimidation and Sanji encompasses his empathy. Whilst Zoro fights like him, Sanji thinks like him.
This whole dumb Scopper = Sanji shit came around when people first started linking Zoro with Ray, and Zoro alone. Oda has never dared to show Zoro as official FM or VC. He cant even say whos stronger between the two. Sure he gives more combat to Zoro, because his only role is to fight.
He isnt tho. Theyre both Ray, and they both not at the same time. Both share some of his features, and if they fused they would make Ray. However Zoro and Sanji are themselves first and foremost. Luffy needs both to become PK.
- Both Zoro and Sanji got whole volume covers to themselves
- Both got their own arcs
- Both got a colourspread shared with Luffy and a Yonko
- Both have given Luffy advice and sacrificed themselves for the crew
Zoro encompasses Ray intimidation and Sanji encompasses his empathy. Whilst Zoro fights like him, Sanji thinks like him.
This whole dumb Scopper = Sanji shit came around when people first started linking Zoro with Ray, and Zoro alone. Oda has never dared to show Zoro as official FM or VC. He cant even say whos stronger between the two. Sure he gives more combat to Zoro, because his only role is to fight.
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He isnt tho. Theyre both Ray, and they both not at the same time. Both share some of his features, and if they fused they would make Ray. However Zoro and Sanji are themselves first and foremost. Luffy needs both to become PK.
This whole dumb Nami > Sanji argument needs to stop. Does she look like any leader.
Its a sad and embrassing argument. You wanna fuel your LuNa Pirate Queen shit. But just pls fucking stop. She is no leader at all. And this coming from a Nami fan.
The blonde hair and body hair is Sanji's trademark as much as the scars are Zoro's. Whatever your saying about Sanji applies to Zoro as well.
Its a sad and embrassing argument. You wanna fuel your LuNa Pirate Queen shit. But just pls fucking stop. She is no leader at all. And this coming from a Nami fan.
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The blonde hair and body hair is Sanji's trademark as much as the scars are Zoro's. Whatever your saying about Sanji applies to Zoro as well.
Character wise ray aint that similar to zoro either tbh
Yes zoro will surpass rayleigh in strength as the strongest members of their pirate king captain crew but other than that rayleigh is rayleigh and zoro is zoro.
Rayleigh is neither zoro and/or sanji. Like other than powerwise even killer seems more similar to him tho doesn't mean hes rayleigh
Yes zoro will surpass rayleigh in strength as the strongest members of their pirate king captain crew but other than that rayleigh is rayleigh and zoro is zoro.
Rayleigh is neither zoro and/or sanji. Like other than powerwise even killer seems more similar to him tho doesn't mean hes rayleigh