One Piece Chapter 966 Spoilers Discussion

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Hiragaro said:
Depends on how Oda defines that whole Swordman thing.
I would say, if someone uses a Sword as one of their main Fighting styles and is very skilled with it, you could Count them as a swordsman even if they are a hybrid. You stil can have over ability's like a DF for a example and fight with fists, legs, etc.
Fujitora is said to be a blind swordsman (if i am not mistaken), does it mean Mihawk is stronger than him? Not necessarily. Mihawk might be better with the Sword as Fujitora, but Fujitora also has a DF soooo...
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Yet oda keeps putting zoro against fujitora and even zoro has countered his gravity but mihawk who is superior cannot ?
 
Minatoze Narutomaki

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Master OF Haki said:
966 chapter of one piece 20+ years of storytelling and people still don't know what titles mean or rather can't understand them.
In one piece titles means exactly, SPECIFICALLY and precisely what they means for example Whitbeard was known as The World's Strongest Man (in people's minds that means he's the strongest fighter amongst humans) but Whitbeard wasn't called the strongest fighter he was called the strongest man which means that in terms of physical strength and durability he was the strongest but not in fighting. Mihawk is world's strongest swordsmen (in people minds he's the strongest amongst those who use sword in fighting) but in reality he has the best sword skill amongst swordsmen. Kaido is known as the World's strongest creature (in people's minds he's the strongest overall amongst all one piece chapters) but in reality he has the strongest physical strength and durability amongst living things.
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Can you first clarify yourself before clarifying others :nicagesmile:
 
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Dark Hound said:
Also Mihawk > Shanks
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Now that's a problem. It was said, that Mihawk and Shanks used to have crazy battles back then, before Shanks lost his arm. It was never stated that Mihawk>Shanks. In fact, Shanks should be stronger than Mihawk, because he is more important to the story than Mihawk is.
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Dark Hound said:
That puts him above every living swordsman
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No it does not.
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Mihawk would lose to BM even if she was only using Napoleon to fight.
 
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Kejon said:
Now that's a problem. It was said, that Mihawk and Shanks used to have crazy battles back then, before Shanks lost his arm. It was never stated that Mihawk>Shanks. In fact, Shanks should be stronger than Mihawk, because he is more important to the story than Mihawk is.
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No it does not.
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Then he wouldnt be the fucking wss then if it doesnt. Zoro will not get a hollow dream.
 
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Master OF Haki said:
966 chapter of one piece 20+ years of storytelling and people still don't know what titles mean or rather can't understand them.
In one piece titles means exactly, SPECIFICALLY and precisely what they means for example Whitbeard was known as The World's Strongest Man (in people's minds that means he's the strongest fighter amongst humans) but Whitbeard wasn't called the strongest fighter he was called the strongest man which means that in terms of physical strength and durability he was the strongest but not in fighting. Mihawk is world's strongest swordsmen (in people minds he's the strongest amongst those who use sword in fighting) but in reality he has the best sword skill amongst swordsmen. Kaido is known as the World's strongest creature (in people's minds he's the strongest overall amongst all one piece chapters) but in reality he has the strongest physical strength and durability amongst living things.
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Nope. Strongest creature means strongest living being. Hence "in a 1 on 1 always bet on Kaido"
Whitebeard was the strongest man and the strongest pirate -> 1 on 1 always bet on him in his era

Mihawk is indeed the most powerful swordsman. He would beat every swordsman 1 on 1. He would beat Fujitora because Fujitora is classified as a swordsman. But there is room to question whether everyone with a sword is actually a swordsman. Swordsman refers to a martial art, to a skill, which is swordsmanship. It is different from "strongest creature" or "strongest man". Latter two aren't a skill.

Elcadar said:
For what it's worth, in Stephen Pauls translation of this scene Zoro doesn't say that he wants to be the strongest swordsman ever:
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Then let's assume, Roger is the WSS of his era. Stronger than Mihawk. Yet Roger didn't even achieve a black blade, which is the signature of a swordsman at his peak? Ryuma got it as the sword god, Mihawk got it as the WSS, Zoro will achieve it soon enough. Roger is a tier above Mihawk.
 
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