Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1022 Spoilers Discussion

[Geo]

that what you believe.. i believe he wasn't knocked thats still an assumption

Feats.. o kay.. Sanji whoops Queen in circles while Phoenix brand just internally damages queen thats it...sanji has the greater strength feat here..and there is still much to come
You have seen what Marco is capable of seeing his hax.. but you haven't seen sanji in the same situation going all out and being similarly evasive.. or him going all out in general with RS or not.


your whole argument is based on the presumption that sanji got "knocked" (again pacing of the chapter proves other wise and that "king gathering flying gifter" argument is as pathetic as it gets) caught in a tight spot which you aren't even considering.. marco in situations would have lost an arm and would have had a hole in him if it wasn't for his Df.

" sanji is weaker that marco".. more like more vulnerable to attacks
granted he may be weaker but your exaggerating just seems like self-fulfilling bias than constructive subjectivity since we are playing with assumptions here

Not what I believe but what is in the manga.

Marco has far superior feats and portrayal compared to Sanji. The fact that you are even trying to argue against this is ridiculous.

 

[ConquistadoR]

I'm not downplaying anyone

yeah ok dude

 

[Zolo]

ZKO

 

[Finalbeta]

YES!!!

Funnily enough Queen will decidedly go down but who knows how at this stage. It might be that the Grandmaster injures him first and then Sanji defeats him afterwards vanquishing once and for all.

 

[Etemenanki]

Did Sanji make Queen bleed so far?

Yep,with his first attack.

 

[duckman]

Easy,make straw hats face haki users and have them get initialy overpowered by coa and coo!Then,have them put up a better fight by showcasing their new techniques!And Finally,after taking a good pummeling,have them unlock some form of haki to finish the fight with their big moves!Ace unlocked haki in this fashion in the novels!

I think its obvious that Oda wants his battle system to be more than just "haki". and Pre TS Nami beat a haki user with the toy climatact.

 

[Kromage911]

But on the other hand DoFla owned Sanji the loser, even if Sanji didn't know about his ability.

Do you know how it is called. Double standards

Doflamingo would've still beaten Sanji had the latter known his ability. Maybe not neg diff like it was but a mid diff or something instead. Sanji wasn't YC level at that time. Doflamingo is. I put him around YC2 now even though I used to underestimate him earlier.

 

[Ninjashadow0209]

Lanjisexuals hyping base sanji ~ hybrid queen. almost like he wasnt struggling to put down page one or wasnt struggling against daifuku in the previous arc.

P1 was 3 shots and him was screaming like a little bitch, Sanji was not even serious against him, was only Clashes.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Reverse logic, how fabulous.
If King can´t show even being Y1C in any other capacity, him matching Zoro for a while automatically means he is above the other Y1Cs.

Did not see that coming.

Self fulfilling prophecies

 

[ConquistadoR]

I think its obvious that Oda wants his battle system to be more than just "haki".

i think it's even more obvious that oda doesnt give a rat's ass about powersystems outside of the m3 and maybe jinbe.

 

[Iaarm]

Well, yes there are differences of course. But that's to be expected since a) That was Sanji's climactic fight of the arc, and b) it's a writing choice.

The choice between "Doflamingo Punched Me" and "Doflamingo Put Me In Parasite" is entirely up to Doflamingo. In addition, Sanji was completely isolated in the air, while Doflamingo probably couldn't try that because Kyros was also there.

Oda deliberately put Sanji in that situation and not Luffy. Because Sanji was used as a hype tool for Doflamingo. That was clear cut portrayal that Doflamingo > Sanji. At the end of the arc an exhausted Luffy was also put in parasite but he easily broke out of it.
Oda could have thought of thousands of other ways to end the fight between Dofla and Sanji without making either of them look bad. He didnt shoose this ending just because he felt like it.

 

[Finalbeta]

Yep,with his first attack.

Those black colored dots didn't quite look like blood, they are present in many panels. If not there was none next to his face.

 

[iwaddaread]

Self fulfilling prophecies

 

[ConquistadoR]

P1 was 3 shots and him was screaming like a little bitch, Sanji was not even serious against him, was only Clashes.

if he's yonko commander level like yall claim him, he shouldve put him down soon.

else the scene was just plot induced stupidity to hype up sanjis raidsuit. i think its PIS.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

Thanks for answering.
The fights are similiar, yes. But there are differences.
-Sanji would probably die if it wasnt for Law saving him. The situation between Luffy and Doglamingo wasnt nearly as tense.
-Sanji used high end DJ moves at Doflamingo. Luffy didnt even use armament.

I doubt Overheat would kill Sanji, Luffy no sell it pretty easily and Law casually block it, worstcase Sanji use haki before he get hit and Parasite lose the effect when he get send fly. Doffy use his defense, we see on red hawk how hard he get hit and I think DJ higher end moves are around red hawk if not stronger lvl.

@playa4321 @Sentinel if king shows that he can fight post rooftop zoro, that kinda put him above others yc1. i won't be surprised if he is the strongest YC1 like his captain who is the strongest yonkou.

Gonna open up a special point overall about King. In Marineford we see Marco taking damage only from Admirals or Garp.
What I try to show, Marco is injuried and his wounds can't be healed. I assume that King either use Adv CoC or adv CoA who are the reason why Marco can't heal himself much. When his wings was cut, he heal himself but his wound on his head couldn't get healed. I assume King use Adv CoC and Adv CoA to hurt him which Marco can't heal anymore.
So most like King pose either adv Coc or Adv CoA.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Honestly it was just lack of injuries and bad panelling and that made a lot of these fights underwhelming. The Robin Fight is the best one since it implemented some of those elements. Black Maria also, unlike the other tobi roppo, had a counter for a lot of what was thrown at her. Robins fight is the only fight so far somewhat remincent of what oda did with pre timeskip Strawhat fights.

In the end I think Zoro, Sanji and Robin will have the best non luffy fights in the arc.

I'm concerned that the Queen and King fights will blow. Aside from Smoothie and Compote, Oda made Big Mom's core crew an effective threat. I was expecting the Straw Hats to be pushed beyond their limits, but instead, they bullshit their way through victory. Yeah, Robin was the only decent one (it could still use Haki).

 

[duckman]

Oda deliberately put Sanji in that situation and not Luffy. Because Sanji was used as a hype tool for Doflamingo. That was clear cut portrayal that Doflamingo > Sanji. At the end of the arc an exhausted Luffy was also put in parasite but he easily broke out of it.
Oda could have thought of thousands of other ways to end the fight between Dofla and Sanji without making either of them look bad. He didnt shoose this ending just because he felt like it.

Like this one? It was universally accepted before that Sanji lost primarily because of the unknown ability.

No different from this.

 

[Ninjashadow0209]

if he's yonko commander level like yall claim him, he shouldve put him down soon.

else the scene was just plot induced stupidity to hype up sanjis raidsuit. i think its PIS.

Sanji don't even needed RS, and against Daifuku he was never paying attention to him

 

[Sir Tuna Sandwich II]

King+Queen couldn’t make Sanji bleed according to spoilers 😂😂😂😂😂

Sanji isn't virgin confirmed?

 

[Kurozumi Giggio]

Next chapter is a guaranteed follow up until conclusion of Zoro vs King and Sanji vs Queen, the next 5-6 chapters will break worstgen