Questions & Mysteries One Piece Themes: Women have no choice but to accept being men's inferior?

[Jew D. Boy]

As far as female characters go, One Piece suffers from "tokenism".
Also the mindset that the target audience would rather have strong male characters that they could "relate", and just some walking tits and asses for their "hornyness".

You hit the nail on the head here, Oda absolutely writes for the boys in his audience who have never actually spoken to a woman and wouldn’t know what to do if one talked to them…some of his female characters have been given an amount of development, but for the most part, it’s all about throwing some unreasonably gigantic breasts on them and cutting them loose. Hell, look at the details we got for the men of the Flying Six in this arc:

Drake - undercover Marine, defector to the protagonists’ side
Sasaki - former captain of his own crew, wanted to become a Calamity
Who’s Who - literal walking plot device, former CP-9 member and Level 6 prisoner
Page One - first F6 member we meet, survived an early clash with Sanji

Now, the women of the same organization:

Black Maria - plays the shamisen, outside chance of being Yamato’s mom (purely speculative)
Ulti - spawned a million hentai images in record time

Even in short bursts, Oda gives his guys more love than the ladies

 

[kenedyfake]

Oda should have made Fujitora a woman and a swordsman, maybe that would make sense.

 

[Lhulu]

You hit the nail on the head here, Oda absolutely writes for the boys in his audience who have never actually spoken to a woman and wouldn’t know what to do if one talked to them…some of his female characters have been given an amount of development, but for the most part, it’s all about throwing some unreasonably gigantic breasts on them and cutting them loose. Hell, look at the details we got for the men of the Flying Six in this arc:

Drake - undercover Marine, defector to the protagonists’ side
Sasaki - former captain of his own crew, wanted to become a Calamity
Who’s Who - literal walking plot device, former CP-9 member and Level 6 prisoner
Page One - first F6 member we meet, survived an early clash with Sanji

Now, the women of the same organization:

Black Maria - plays the shamisen, outside chance of being Yamato’s mom (purely speculative)
Ulti - spawned a million hentai images in record time

Even in short bursts, Oda gives his guys more love than the ladies

Perfect point.
OP it's a 90's manga, so Oda is just following the old demographic style of write.

If we look to more recent shonens like Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw Man there's a lot of female strong characters.

 

[Zowo]

@Germa66 TAC(@TheAncientCenturion )is a woman that s why she gets offended

 

[Fuckthis3]

I see what you were trying to do, Xione, but half the replies in this thread, present and future, are gonna age like week-old milk in a fraction of the time

It won't aged well cus they no female fighters that badass than nami and robin

 

[Den_Den_Mushi]

Can the women of One Piece theoretically be as strong as their male counterparts? Yes. Will they ever be? No.

Tashigi is probably the worst example to use for female independence and inequality. For all that she bleats about Zoro not taking her seriously, why should he? Mihawk never took him seriously at first, it took Zoro allowing himself to be publicly eviscerated to earn his respect. All Tashigi does is cry sexism while (as evidenced by her childhood picture), she never trained as hard as the likes of Mihawk and Vista. Does she think Mihawk just woke up one day and magically became the strongest swordsman? Dude’s shed blood, sweat and tears for his dream since he was a brat. What the fuck makes her deserving?

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Oda should have made Fujitora a woman and a swordsman, maybe that would make sense.

Honestly, this would have been cool as hell…would have turned me into a bigger Admiral Slut™️ than prime @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung if Fujitorita was a real thing. Not Oda’s biggest missed opportunity, but definitely the one that’s making me upset right now

Perfect point.
OP it's a 90's manga, so Oda is just following the old demographic style of write.

If we look to more recent shonens like Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw Man there's a lot of female strong characters.

It’s not Oda’s fault that he’s a product of a specific time in a hyper-streamlined industry, true, but part of what made the first half of OP so great is that he seemed capable of turning old tropes on their head and infusing his stories with such incredible attention to detail…and yet, for every Nami or Vivi, we have a dozen other male characters with no discernible differences from one another except their abilities, all of whom clog up the story despite being interchangeable.

 

[Germa66]

@Germa66 TAC(@TheAncientCenturion )is a woman that s why she gets offended

No disrespect but facts are facts and people need to get real and stop being so sensitive

Tashigi is stronger than the average man, but simply put, average means fodder when you’re in the New World.

 

[RiShin]

Why you didn't include Yamato? EoS she will surpass Kaido and Linlin because new generation > old generation.

Anyhow Tashigi is with Vegapunk, Oda could introduce Tashigi to a set of technology enhancements to make her stronger like a raid suit. Blending technology with swordsmanship would be cool and from what I remember Niji is the only one that does it

Or Oda could go the route that EoS Tashigi will continue to challenge Zoro and from each defeat grow stronger via haki bloom and improving her techniques.

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Time to call in the calvary!
Summon @KiriNigiri @Buusatan94

 

[Fujishiro]

There’s no such thing as equality. Women are clearly inferior to men physically. Oda has common sense, and Tashigi is a fool.


Ugh the fact that some people even get offended. It’s 2021, Tashigi better get on the hormones

Big mom is a thing mate. So is Boa.

 

[Lhulu]

Honestly, this would have been cool as hell…would have turned me into a bigger Admiral Slut™️ than prime @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung if Fujitorita was a real thing. Not Oda’s biggest missed opportunity, but definitely the one that’s making me upset right now

It’s not Oda’s fault that he’s a product of a specific time in a hyper-streamlined industry, true, but part of what made the first half of OP so great is that he seemed capable of turning old tropes on their head and infusing his stories with such incredible attention to detail…and yet, for every Nami or Vivi, we have a dozen other male characters with no discernible differences from one another except their abilities, all of whom clog up the story despite being interchangeable.

I mean, i don't like how Oda portrayed Nami after TS. And it's sad cause he evolved in some things like the Okama treatment, cuz now in Wano we have Okiku, a transgender and she isn't a gag character( hope he doesn't ruins that with a possibly Sanji's flashback).

Unfortunaly he doesn't seems to follow the same way with womans. Big Mom is basically a monster and Hancock's power is basically turning man into simps/slaves. Also Fujitora being a woman would be amazing.

And about Nami again, her character has so much potential. Oda could make a little arc for her, let's see if with a possibly Vivi's comeback he does that.

 

[Germa66]

Big mom is a thing mate. So is Boa.

What kind of stupid response is this? You name off two women out of the billions that exist and that’s supposed to prove what exactly? The argument at hand was that woman aren’t as strong anyway. Listing just two df users with abnormal haki won’t change a thing lmao

Newsflash: Not only are those women far from average I can name men stronger and more powerful than them so this reply was redundant.

Why’d you even mention Boa as if she is some physical beast? Anyways to name a few of her stronger male peers: Doflamingo, Crocodile, Mihawk, Kuma. Hell I doubt she’s beating Buggy in an arm wrestling contest


Giving me the name of a female body builder irl won’t change the fact that women are naturally weaker than their average male counterpart of similar age.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

Jeez ..some answers.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

One Piece suffers from being a story written by a man with the mindset of a teenager (who I don't know how many women he has actually interacted with in a natural way) and for a public of young dudes (at least on paper).

Considering this starting point, any attempt at portraying women as men's equals is futile because the author doesn't want to write women to that extent and the readers don't want it either. The biggest problem here, though, is that Oda started stronger than he's now, hence why Zoro's whole past revolves around sexism in swordsmanship yet this issue has been pretty much neglected in Wano; why Luffy's first enemy was an "ogress" who he would punch with no objection yet most females are now relegated to fighting other women and/or being defeated by techniques that don't involve direct close combat; and so on.

When one of the main characters bases his dream on a promise built on his conviction that a woman was brainwashed by sexist ideals and she had as many possibilities as himself to become the strongest with the sword, yet the author never lives up to this and indeed portrays women as inherently weaker (to the point the only confirmed top tier was a born destroyer yet ate the typical "trickery fruit" many female have and allow them to reduce direct physical confrontation), then the problem is obvious and big.

And it's not like Oda can't just make women as strong as men in a world where milk regenerates bones and some meat will put you back into action. There's no foundational logic that prevents him from doing so and, as I said, the basis of his story actually asked for it.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Will Oda by end of the series keep the message of women cannot be the best swordsman or even be in the consideration?

Of course. Women are weak in one piece. This is a fact.

Tashigi would be lucky to be as strong as fuckin kyros EoS

 

[Fujishiro]

Of course. Women are weak in one piece. This is a fact.

Tashigi would be lucky to be as strong as fuckin kyros EoS

Again, BM.

 

[Germa66]

Feminists

 

[Rootbeer]

All i have to say is Tashigi is a far cry from Kuina, if Kuina was still alive she would be at least YC1 in the series right now..

 

[Shasha23]

welcome to shounen, if you want a shounen with strong female characters read Black Clover

 

[Fujishiro]

What kind of stupid response is this? You name off two women out of the billions that exist and that’s supposed to prove what exactly? The argument at hand was that woman aren’t as strong anyway. Listing just two df users with abnormal haki won’t change a thing lmao

Newsflash: Not only are those women far from average I can name men stronger and more powerful than them so this reply was redundant.

Why’d you even mention Boa as if she is some physical beast? Anyways to name a few of her stronger male peers: Doflamingo, Crocodile, Mihawk, Kuma. Hell I doubt she’s beating Buggy in an arm wrestling contest


Giving me the name of a female body builder irl won’t change the fact that women are naturally weaker than their average male counterpart of similar age.

BM is physically stronger than most other top tiers, id give it to Kaido being physically stronger than her.


In a world with magical abilities, people growing teeth by drinking milk,etc. Having Women who are as physically strong as men or stronger isn't nonsensical. One Piece isn't real life mate.

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welcome to shounen, if you want a shounen with strong female characters read Black Clover

BC is goated for that, both men and women are strong.

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Honestly, this would have been cool as hell…would have turned me into a bigger Admiral Slut™️ than prime @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung if Fujitorita was a real thing. Not Oda’s biggest missed opportunity, but definitely the one that’s making me upset right now

It’s not Oda’s fault that he’s a product of a specific time in a hyper-streamlined industry, true, but part of what made the first half of OP so great is that he seemed capable of turning old tropes on their head and infusing his stories with such incredible attention to detail…and yet, for every Nami or Vivi, we have a dozen other male characters with no discernible differences from one another except their abilities, all of whom clog up the story despite being interchangeable.

Fuji is still worth slutting over bro