General & Others PK =/= Strongest in 1v1

[Buggy D Clown]

Roger looked very sick towards the end of his journey, I personally doubt he could have defeated Whitebead in a 1v1 in that state considering they were suppose to have been equal at their best. If true it would mean he become Pirate King while there was someone individually stronger than him.
Basically PK = most competent crew rather than strongest captain.

Discussion points:

1. What's more important for becoming PK - Captain's strength vs Crew's overall competents and strength?
2. Was WB > Roger just before/as Roger become PK?
3. What in the story made you so sure that PK has to be the strongest pirate captain?
4. Edit: If Roger become so sick as to not be able to use Haki and could barely move on his own(so not only not the strongest but become one of the weakest pirates in the NW) as he was stepped foot on the final island, would he in your opinion have not become PK?

 

[nik87]

He never was the strongest, WSM belonged to Whitebeard before the Great Age of Pirates.

What in the story made you so sure that PK has to be the strongest pirate captain

Never believed in this since PK has never been about an individual's strength.

 

[Rivaille]

Yup last chapter debunked the idea that the PK has to be the strongest being of the verse even tho, thanks to Shonen logic, Luffy will probably end up being the strongest being of the verse

But Oda emphasis on the quality of the crew and in luck/destiny rather than pure strength is great in my book

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Being the strongest pirate was never a must have quality to become the Pirate King. There is a reason why WB was never named a king despite the fact that his superiority was indisputable. I used to tell people that Roger became the PK because he was the first to reach the final Island. A lot of people, especially Luffy fans, denied it saying that you must beat/be stronger than all big names and the admirals to conquer the world.

 

[Shanks]

Nope. PK title doesn't mean you are the strongest.

But Roger was really the strongest of his era. That's also undisputed.

 

[Buggy D Clown]

Nope. PK title doesn't mean you are the strongest.

But Roger was really the strongest of his era. That's also undisputed.

Whether at his strongest Roger was stronger than everyone else is not really the point of discussion, it's more so about Roger as he got to/was approaching the final island where he was clearly not at his best/strongest.

 

[Bogard]

Power-level wise it doesn't matter. We know at Roger's peak, he was equal to Whitebeard, so the pirate king power-lvl still stands. Whether he actually became pirate king later through illness or not is less relevant

It was just a final accomplishment in Roger's life before dying, with Oda taking advantage of this to continue to portray Roger and Whitebeard as equals.

That's why he decided to make Roger the pirate king, but by establishing Whitebeard as the one who helped him in becoming the pirate king(gifting the poneglyph that hinted at the location of the final road poneglyph, gifting the only crewmate with the ability to read Road Poneglyphs).

In the end, Roger and Whitebeard are the peak of one piece, parallel that Luffy and Blackbeard aim at surpassing, with Roger symbolically gaining the pirate king title that Luffy will eventually take for himself. That's all there is to it

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

gifting the poneglyph

In the updated translation it doesn't say WB gave him the poneglyph

Spoiler

But, I guess we should wait for the official translation.

 

[Bogard]

In the updated translation it doesn't say WB gave him the poneglyph

Spoiler

But, I guess we should wait for the official translation.

Lol didn't know they changed that translation, but then again i wonder how one can add a complete sentence with a named character if it's not present in the raw? But yeah hopefully the viz clarifies this. My overall point remains tho

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Oden wanted to go himself, WB was still immensely stinky about it, no need to push a narrative in which "WB gifted Roger" with Oden. The Poneglyph thing is iffy to say the least, yep, a complete sentence being removed or added is suspicious.

Regarding the thread, you do ont need strength to be PK directly, but to get the opportunity to become and achieve the things you need to acquire, yes, you do need it.

And in Luffy´s case, strength has been pushed even more due to Luffy´s experience with Ace.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

but then again i wonder how one can add a complete sentence with a named character if it's not present in the raw?

I have no idea lol. It is very weird.

But yeah hopefully the viz clarifies this.

I hope so.

My overall point remains tho

I am not disputing that.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

tbh it bothers me that Luffy has no real equals in his generation and everyone who should be his rival is actually leagues weaker than him, making his only real adversaries middle aged men.

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

I don't think PK can be considered as power level because we saw prime Roger and primebeard even before he reached raftel so if we consider it a powerscale then Roger in Raftel was stronger than when he was fighting Wb in roskaina island and that's Wrong but i will say Roger the swordman and Primebeard are the strongest Characters in the old era but in the new Era are Zoro the Wss ever and luffy the Pk

 

[Just a member]

Depends, early Op there was Buggy saying about WB "he was the only one able to fight on par with Roger" implying that he Roger was the strongest and WB was his peer. Then the title is bestowed upon him because he managed to do the impossible and conquer the grand line aka reach the last island. Now it is a bit complicated because we know that certain great pirates tried and still try to do it (Roger, Kaido, BM, BB? Shanks?) while some others don't care at all (WB, again Shanks?).

Yet to manage that you not only need power to conquer the 4 red poneglyphs and maybe the seas and island too but also a good crew and, this is a must, have somebody who can read the poneglyphs (BM put a great effort just to have a chance with Pudding, Luffy was gifted a Robin, Roger found and took Oden for himself). We just know that while Roger did it other pirates like BM or Kaido failed big time until now and are looking to other plans aka increase their power through smiles, taking the Vinsmokes tech or giant power, BB is working on df and weapons and allies (steal the shikis).

Yet, going back on topic, Roger also defeated his rival(s) he fought and defeated (along with Garp) a monster crew like the Rocks (so Xebec, WB, Bm and Kaido) and we know that thay was something exceptional that actually gave him all the rights to be on the very top.

Also it is interesting to notice that even if he succeded at beating Xebec and the others he just gained, if it was at that time, the title of "great pirate" while when he conuered the grand line he get the title of "king of pirates" which for sure has another ring. This raises quite some questions.

 

[nik87]

tbh it bothers me that Luffy has no real equals in his generation and everyone who should be his rival is actually leagues weaker than him, making his only real adversaries middle aged men.

He should feel lucky Zoro is on his side and not interested in the same dream.

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

He should feel lucky Zoro is on his side and not interested in the same dream.

Otherwise he won't reach raftel because we will be dead ah i talk about Luffy

 

[Monkey D Theories]

He should feel lucky Zoro is on his side and not interested in the same dream.

the same man who got 1 shot by Killer?

 

[nik87]

the same man who got 1 shot by Killer?

Yes, the same guy.

 

[Camie]

You dont have to be the strongest but it certaintly helps if you are atleast equal in strength to your rival. To me Whitebeard and Roger were more than likely equally matched 1v1. Whitebeard just didnt care to get to Laugh tale.

 

[Red Admiral]

he DON'T have to be
but generally , he is