Your most controversial opnions which majority dont support /belive/justify

[Zenos7]

Universe is created by the law of nature(physics), law of nature is created by who?

Anyway, this is not the topic tho, so i should change the question to

Can morality be objective IF god is not involved (So in this case, not only does the god must exist, the god is also needed to create the absolute truths)

And again, my reasonings barely change

I already answered in the previous post.

And you did assert the things i questioned in your previous post, so they are kinda part of the topic

 

[Photon]

I already answered in the previous post.

Where? Quote pls

And you did assert the things i questioned in your previous post, so they are kinda part of the topic

Well i mean, we should focus on the main point, and i already changed the question, so

 

[Zenos7]

Where? Quote pls

I would say absolute morality does not exist in such a scenario, but i kinda feel i said that before in our convo.

Well i mean, we should focus on the main point, and i already changed the question, so

"we should focus on the main point, so please dont question my baseless assertions"

 

[Blother Fertitta]

That graduating college guarantees to make you a product member of society

 

[Photon]

So, you answered No

Doesnt this prove that

Morality can ONLY be objective IF god is involved? Or?

we should focus on the main point, so please dont question my baseless assertions"

What do you mean?

Werent you referring to this?

"Why is God needed to create the universe
..."

? Then of course, answering it bring little to no impact to the main point being discussed

 

[Zenos7]

So, you answered No

Doesnt this prove that

Morality can ONLY be objective IF god is involved? Or?

It proves that i dont think that morality is objective. Me not thinking that morality is objective is not equal to objective morality can only exist with god. Especially considering the points i raised about different ideas of god not resulting in objective morality.

What do you mean?

Werent you referring to this?

"Why is God needed to create the universe
..."

? Then of course, answering it bring little to no impact to the main point being discussed

You know, we can discuss multiple points. And if you make assertions like that, i will question them.

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That graduating college guarantees to make you a product member of society

i dont even think this is controversial

 

[Photon]

It proves that i dont think that morality is objective. Me not thinking that morality is objective is not equal to objective morality can only exist with god. Especially considering the points i raised about different ideas of god not resulting in objective morality.

If were going by the premise that god DOES NOT exist, you agreed that there is no objective morality

If were going by the premise that god DOES exist, and IS involved in formulating the absolute truths, then there EXISTS absolute truths, which in turn suggests there EXISTS absolute morality?
Werent you not denying this?

Doesnt that prove Morality can ONLY be objective IF God is involved?

You know, we can discuss multiple points. And if you make assertions like that, i will question them

I know, we can discuss multiple points, but it's always better to focus on one thing

And its okay if you want to further discuss it

I already said

The universe is shaped to the way as it is currently because of the law of nature (physics) governing our universe

And then there comes question

"Who created the law of nature (physics)"

Then there comes answers, which are either
1. God created it
2. It comes by itself, or there exists "something" that create said law

I incline to the former, but of course, i still cant prove it scientifically, though EVERYTHING we know has its beginning, i dont know why said law is an exception

 

[Zenos7]

If were going by the premise that god DOES NOT exist, you agreed that there is no objective morality

If were going by the premise that god DOES exist, and IS involved in formulating the absolute truths, then there EXISTS absolute truths, which in turn suggests there EXISTS absolute morality?
Werent you not denying this?

Doesnt that prove Morality can ONLY be objective IF God is involved?

bruh, read all my previous posts please. This still depends on what god we are talking about.

The universe is shaped to the way as it is currently because of the law of nature (physics) governing our universe

And then there comes question

"Who created the law of nature (physics)"

Then there comes answers, which are either
1. God created it
2. It comes by itself, or there exists "something" that create said law

I incline to the former, but of course, i still cant prove it scientifically, though EVERYTHING we know has its beginning, i dont know why said law is an exception

If you cant prove it, then dont make the assertions that god is needed for the universe/laws of physics to exist.

We dont actually know that the universe had a beginning.

But if you say everything we know has its beginning, does that mean god/gods had a beginning? And if you make an exception for god, why not for laws of physics or the universe?

 

[Photon]

bruh, read all my previous posts please. This still depends on what god we are talking about.

Bruh, when i said

"what IF god DOES exist, and IS involved..."

Then of course, im referring to god that actively formulate the absolute truths

If you cant prove it, then dont make the assertions that god is needed for the universe/laws of physics to exist.

We dont actually know that the universe had a beginning.

But if you say everything we know has its beginning, does that mean god/gods had a beginning? And if you make an exception for god, why not for laws of physics or the universe?

Yeah i know

And yeah, you make a fair point

 

[Zenos7]

Bruh, when i said

"what IF god DOES exist, and IS involved..."

Then of course, im referring to god that actively formulate the absolute truths

and i gave you an example of gods that technically are involved where it still is not the case.

 

[Photon]

and i gave you an example of gods that technically are involved where it still is not the case.

i said involved in the sense that said God does indeed formulate the absolute truths

So im referring to God that is involved in that kind of sense

 

[Zenos7]

i said involved in the sense that said God does indeed formulate the absolute truths

So im referring to God that is involved in that kind of sense

 

[Croco D ile]

There is no end if we talk about belief, our beliefs can be wrong or might be right but no one can prove your beliefs are wrong like you can't prove your beliefs are right. I can say I am God and you don't believe me but you can't prove that I am not God. That's why fighting for your belief is useless, just believe it yourself and fight for fact because we all know 1+1 is always 2.

 

[Zenos7]

There is no end if we talk about belief, our beliefs can be wrong or might be right but no one can prove your beliefs are wrong like you can't prove your beliefs are right. I can say I am God and you don't believe me but you can't prove that I am not God. That's why fighting for your belief is useless, just believe it yourself and fight for fact because we all know 1+1 is always 2.

No one can disprove the existence of bigfoot, therefore bigfoot is god :cheers: one hairy ass god, but still

 

[Photon]

?

so, moral can ONLY be objective if God does indeed exist and IS involved in formulating the absolute truths, yes or no?

 

[Zenos7]

Hail bigfoot

 

[Croco D ile]

God is a monster with his hairy ass down there, who knows?
:cheers:

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Stick to your beliefs but don't forced other to believe your beliefs. If they try to harm you because of those beliefs then be ready to fight them. You are free to be a pirate king after all.

 

[Gyro The God]

Hail bigfoot

pretty sure bigfoot is more mature and less sadistic than whatever god that guy believe in

 

[Fuckthis3]

There is no end if we talk about belief, our beliefs can be wrong or might be right but no one can prove your beliefs are wrong like you can't prove your beliefs are right. I can say I am God and you don't believe me but you can't prove that I am not God. That's why fighting for your belief is useless, just believe it yourself and fight for fact because we all know 1+1 is always 2.

Facts if you a pedo no one can't prove you a pedo even if they saw you messing with kids and have video/images

 

[Croco D ile]

Facts if you a pedo no one can't prove you a pedo even if they saw you messing with kids and have video/images

Is that kind of belief or fact? What happened inside your head? I said fight for fact. If you have seen God, it's a fact, you dimwit. Have you? But if you still persist God exists even when you've not seen him, it's belief. How old are you? If you've seen somebody kill a person, it's a fact. That's why law exists. Do you know how to differentiate belief and fact? Are you going to a court to prove the existence of God? Ask your mom what is belief and fact.

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Facts if you a pedo no one can't prove you a pedo even if they saw you messing with kids and have video/images

Did you rape a newborn baby? Someone seen your crazy behaviour which is raping but haven't proven yet? I can help. We can bring this case to a court so that you can spend your disgusting life in prison.