Questions & Mysteries Bullet, World, Shiki, Pirate King and Strongest man on Sea

[Akagaminoproduction]

Question 1: I know stampede and other movies are non canon but oda does provide his inputs on movie....I am not here to talk about how movies went but ask how relevant do you guys see them with respect to One Piece and do you think they will be introduced in future?

Question 2: I dont want to make a vs among all these but I want to discuss one single statement from Stampede.
Bullet said strongest man on sea is pirate king and he wanted to beat PK. Can we conclude PK to be strongest while WB had the title??

Question 3: How important is it to be strongest man to be PK and relevant to story?? Especially when luffy beaten bullet ??

Question 4: To zoro fans who believe zoro will be strongest towards end, how do you justify PK not being strongest when Bullet/World/Shiki all hinted that PK is strongest??
My reason: I see luffy crew different and WB's statement.

 

[m0nst3Rx]

Zoro strongest Man/Swordsman = WB in his Era
Luffy the Pirate king = Roger in his era

at the end of series only those 2 are the Top2 yet i can see Zoro > Luffy eos

 

[Akagaminoproduction]

Zoro strongest Man/Swordsman = WB in his Era
Luffy the Pirate king = Roger in his era

at the end of series only those 2 are the Top2 yet i can see Zoro > Luffy eos

What I am asking is.... Bullet said PK to be strongest...

 

[m0nst3Rx]

What I am asking is.... Bullet said PK to be strongest...

what bullet said is not canon
xebec wants to become the King of the world he might be the strongest in rogers era

PK is not strength based title
Example WB
and shiki consider as the rival of PK roger

 

[thedarkdragon11]

What I am asking is.... Bullet said PK to be strongest...

We can safely assume that Bullet never faced other top dogs... Roger is the most powerful he had faced so far...

 

[Akagaminoproduction]

We can safely assume that Bullet never faced other top dogs... Roger is the most powerful he had faced so far...

Yeah we can.... but in all these antagonist... there has been a theme of wanting to be strongest.... direct or indirect and they all try to be PK

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what bullet said is not canon
xebec wants to become the King of the world he might be the strongest in rogers era

PK is not strength based title
Example WB
and shiki consider as the rival of PK roger

Kidd is also a rival but Luffy is a tier above....
WB is the main point as I mentioned but all these antagonist were aiming to be strongest and be PK together.... even if movie are non canon this idea has been constant....

 

[Extravlad]

Bullet said he would surpass Roger by being a Pirateking that is also the World's strongest.

So you can conclude that from his point of view, Roger was never the world's strongest.

 

[Akagaminoproduction]

Bullet said he would surpass Roger by being a Pirateking that is also the World's strongest.

So you can conclude that from his point of view, Roger was never the world's strongest.

so by being both he would surpass Roger ....
by that logic Luffy will be strongest since he will surpass roger....
or maybe its one of the ways to surpass roger.... how does being strongest surpass PK???

 

[matt245]

Wasn't WB known as the strongest despite him throwing hands with Roger?
And I do think that Zoro will become stronger that Luffy. And I have two reasons:
1. Unlike Luffy, Zoro wn't stop training even after he achieves his dream. Luffy only trains when he gets his ass handled and training is very important as well as some practice.
2. Zoro will still fight opponenets that will come after him trying to get his title unlike Luffy who will probably stop fighting stronger foes.

 

[Extravlad]

so by being both he would surpass Roger ....
by that logic Luffy will be strongest since he will surpass roger....
or maybe its one of the ways to surpass roger.... how does being strongest surpass PK???

Bullet considers that to surpass Roger he needs to become Pirateking and to be WSM at the same time.
It's his opinion though, if Luffy is only = to Roger but brings down the WG he will have surpassed him anyway

 

[Akagaminoproduction]

Wasn't WB known as the strongest despite him throwing hands with Roger?
And I do think that Zoro will become stronger that Luffy. And I have two reasons:
1. Unlike Luffy, Zoro wn't stop training even after he achieves his dream. Luffy only trains when he gets his ass handled and training is very important as well as some practice.
2. Zoro will still fight opponenets that will come after him trying to get his title unlike Luffy who will probably stop fighting stronger foes.

Technically PK would be more attacked as it was portrayed that people wanted to take One Piece from him..... but the training point is valid....
How do you see the idea of being strongest and being PK at the same time?

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Bullet considers that to surpass Roger he needs to become Pirateking and to be WSM at the same time.
It's his opinion though, if Luffy is only = to Roger but brings down the WG he will have surpassed him anyway

Yupp thats one way to look at it.... How do you see Rocks in it?? did he wanted the same way as bullet or was he a cruel upgraded roger who wanted to bring down WG??

 

[matt245]

Technically PK would be more attacked as it was portrayed that people wanted to take One Piece from him..... but the training point is valid....
How do you see the idea of being strongest and being PK at the same time?

Once Roger became the PK no one rlly went after him to get the One Piece tho.
I can see someone with the right mentality becoming both tbh, and by right mentality I mean someone that is focused 24/7 in becoming stronger and fighting strong foes. Zoro's goal is to become the greatest swordsman ever so he shouldn't rlly stop training till the end. Luffy's goal ends when he discovers the OP, and thus, his motivation to grow stronger also dies there.

 

[RayanOO]

Roger the strongest

 

[Akagaminoproduction]

Roger the strongest

what about WB?? isnt his title before Roger became PK??

 

[RayanOO]

what about WB?? isnt his title before Roger became PK??

Yep but titles are not absolute. Roger and WB were considered equal. And Roger being the goal of the MC, the only PK, the biggest legend of his era, and Oden even thinking Roger was slightly greater than WB, I think Roger was a shade stronger than WB. Roger is the man who conquered all the seas.

 

[Akagaminoproduction]

Yep but titles are not absolute. Roger and WB were considered equal. And Roger being the goal of the MC, the only PK, the biggest legend of his era, and Oden even thinking Roger was slightly greater than WB, I think Roger was a shade stronger than WB. Roger is the man who conquered all the seas.

How do you see both things??? Mutually exclusive or intertwined??
also it taints WB's title and also WB himself referred that he was at the top of his era and no ship can take him to next age.... WB considers himself to be at top instead of Roger

 

[RayanOO]

How do you see both things??? Mutually exclusive or intertwined??
also it taints WB's title and also WB himself referred that he was at the top of his era and no ship can take him to next age.... WB considers himself to be at top instead of Roger

WB never considered himself above Roger. WB era was the era after Roger death. And yes during that time WB was the strongest for some time. But even if it was called the WSM during MF he wasn’t.

the titles are not iron rules.

Thé WSM had an equal and the manga said it two times. The WSS never beat his rival (Shanks) etc.
Titles are more refined than that. Those who have titles are mad strong but it doesn’t mean they are the real strongest.

During Rocks era, Rocks was the strongest, then Roger/WB were the strongest with Roger having a shade over for me, then WB era he was the strongest for a decade or a bit more, and then he grew old and Kaido became the strongest.

But the story is about Roger pirate king straw hat etc so I give Roger the edge over anyone.

 

[Akagaminoproduction]

WB never considered himself above Roger. WB era was the era after Roger death. And yes during that time WB was the strongest for some time. But even if it was called the WSM during MF he wasn’t.

the titles are not iron rules.

Thé WSM had an equal and the manga said it two times. The WSS never beat his rival (Shanks) etc.
Titles are more refined than that. Those who have titles are mad strong but it doesn’t mean they are the real strongest.

During Rocks era, Rocks was the strongest, then Roger/WB were the strongest with Roger having a shade over for me, then WB era he was the strongest for a decade or a bit more, and then he grew old and Kaido became the strongest.

But the story is about Roger pirate king straw hat etc so I give Roger the edge over anyone.

What does an era means?? most influencial at that time??? does it mean Shanks era started at WB's death??

 

[RayanOO]

What does an era means?? most influencial at that time??? does it mean Shanks era started at WB's death??

Yeah its multiple things for me ! most influencial, most achievements, power etc.

between Rocks and WB it was clearly Roger era, went to Laugh tale, discovered the One piece, started the golden age of piracy etc.

No after WB death it was still the dead lock and no one really took the lead, Kaido was the strongest even before WB death and likely is the current one but it's not really his age, BB claimed that era was his but and he is the guy who made the bigger jump during that time, but for now it's still not his era either. It is likely the worst generation era and Luffy's one.

 

[Finalbeta]

I'm still divided on who was the strongest between WB and Roger because a good portions of folks labeled the former as WSM, another simply as Roger's equal and yet the latter would never be spelled as WSM, not that the intrinsic inconsistency was not already there nevertheless.