That is just your imagination. Blackbeard and Roger have no connection when it comes to power levels. If you claimed that he would surpass WB it would make sense bit even that, he wont. He has two DF's which are annoying to fight against, he is a more difficult fight for Luffy despite not being stronger than Kaido, same goes for Akainu. Don't just expect people to surpass Kaido left and right...
We got the taste of what the strongest looks like at the middle of the manga and he probably wont be surpassed so this is not the case of stronger and stronger people showing up in the end. Match-ups are a thing in One Piece.
We got the taste of what the strongest looks like at the middle of the manga and he probably wont be surpassed so this is not the case of stronger and stronger people showing up in the end. Match-ups are a thing in One Piece.
I think Luffy vs Kaido will be more or less a 1v1. Current Luffy, as shown from his training with Hyougoro can casually launch KKGs in G4. I think he is very close to mastering G4.
By learning control over the flow of haki, he can now conserve haki better and therefore has a higher G4 time limit.
However, unless he learns awakening or something, G4 will still have a time limit. So I do think that the help that Luffy will get in the fight will basically just be the scabbards as well as a few supernova stalling Kaido so Luffy can regain his haki. I also do think that it is still possible for Gecko Moria to come and for us to get Nightmare Luffy 2.0.
But overall, I say that Luffy vs Kaido will mostly be a 1v1 apart from Zoro, law, and maybe Kid, no other character has the ability to hurt kaido. All 3 of those characters will likely be dealing with big mom/ the calamities while the war is happening so I don't think they'll be able to help luffy that much. All the other characters can do to help Luffy is stall kaido for him to regain haki, like in dressrosa.
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we don't know how that ability works exactly. But I think its a lot more complicated that simple eternal youth. Again, Doffy said he could be pirate king if he had this fruit. I don't think eternal youth alone would give the ope ope no mi the epithet of being the "ultimate DF" when sugar's DF and Brooke's DF do similar things.
also, BM needs to get beat somehow. I think this is just the easiest route for Oda to go while still making her defeat satisfying(as opposed to bringing back 'big meme')
By learning control over the flow of haki, he can now conserve haki better and therefore has a higher G4 time limit.
However, unless he learns awakening or something, G4 will still have a time limit. So I do think that the help that Luffy will get in the fight will basically just be the scabbards as well as a few supernova stalling Kaido so Luffy can regain his haki. I also do think that it is still possible for Gecko Moria to come and for us to get Nightmare Luffy 2.0.
But overall, I say that Luffy vs Kaido will mostly be a 1v1 apart from Zoro, law, and maybe Kid, no other character has the ability to hurt kaido. All 3 of those characters will likely be dealing with big mom/ the calamities while the war is happening so I don't think they'll be able to help luffy that much. All the other characters can do to help Luffy is stall kaido for him to regain haki, like in dressrosa.
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we don't know how that ability works exactly. But I think its a lot more complicated that simple eternal youth. Again, Doffy said he could be pirate king if he had this fruit. I don't think eternal youth alone would give the ope ope no mi the epithet of being the "ultimate DF" when sugar's DF and Brooke's DF do similar things.
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also, BM needs to get beat somehow. I think this is just the easiest route for Oda to go while still making her defeat satisfying(as opposed to bringing back 'big meme')
Eternal youth = outlive BM or Kaido.
Age definitely brings down top tiers ( WB as the big example).
BM falling to kid or Law without Luffy as main role is simply not happening.
I personally think that Kaido fall will place Luffy as Yonko taking the baby steps then BB defeat will solidly him as one.
And 1vs1 is not realistic tho i doubt ppl wanting Narutoish moments
Age definitely brings down top tiers ( WB as the big example).
BM falling to kid or Law without Luffy as main role is simply not happening.
I personally think that Kaido fall will place Luffy as Yonko taking the baby steps then BB defeat will solidly him as one.
And 1vs1 is not realistic tho i doubt ppl wanting Narutoish moments
So do you think Luffy will beat both Kaido and Big Mom?
Luffy already took the "baby steps" to becoming a yonko when he amassed a pirate crew that was so strong and himself became so powerful that the only people who could legitimately pose a threat to him were the yonko. Hence he was called the "fifth emperor" post WCI.
Beating Kaido will surely solidify Luffy as an emperor. After learning ACoA, Luffy is already so powerful that he could (at most) mid diff any YC1. YC1s are straight up not a threat anymore. And Luffy hasn't even fought kaido yet so we know he'll surely be even stronger by wano's end.
Luffy already took the "baby steps" to becoming a yonko when he amassed a pirate crew that was so strong and himself became so powerful that the only people who could legitimately pose a threat to him were the yonko. Hence he was called the "fifth emperor" post WCI.
Beating Kaido will surely solidify Luffy as an emperor. After learning ACoA, Luffy is already so powerful that he could (at most) mid diff any YC1. YC1s are straight up not a threat anymore. And Luffy hasn't even fought kaido yet so we know he'll surely be even stronger by wano's end.
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Whenever I read luffy vs Kaido coz he got another PU...are people forgetting he lost to base Kaido no diff?
People really believe luffy alone will solo Kaido
When even with PU he couldnt dominate base kata.
It reminds me of Luffy will beat BM in WCI bet.
"DOFFY was beaten by top 2 supernova"
I didnt know Law was above Kidd? Lol
And didnt know Doffy was alone vs Law and luffy... oops trebol bellamy... bellamy weakened luffy.
I didnt know when it was awakened Doffy vs g4, law was there too, landing hits... ..code error
BM sends Cracker who did better vs g4 Boundman than Doffy, 11 hrs of fight where luffy is replenishing himself, cracker didn't eat nor rest.
"You are just too weak"
Kaido clearly shit Doffy portrayal. If he was that powerful than king, Kaido would at least deem him worthy of praise.
Doffy is below Kata/Marco/king/Smoothie/Cracker/Shiryu/Benn...
Whether slightly or by a huge gap... he is placed below top commanders I cited
I forgot: G4 BOUNDMAN is yet to dominate a SC , a Yonko... and even win 1 vs 1 lol
Even Snakeman was stalematef by base Kata
Anyway back to the topic
Zoro vs King isnt even cemented a little
Zoro is built up to beat Kyoushiro and orochi so far
People really believe luffy alone will solo Kaido
When even with PU he couldnt dominate base kata.
It reminds me of Luffy will beat BM in WCI bet.
"DOFFY was beaten by top 2 supernova"
I didnt know Law was above Kidd? Lol
And didnt know Doffy was alone vs Law and luffy... oops trebol bellamy... bellamy weakened luffy.
I didnt know when it was awakened Doffy vs g4, law was there too, landing hits... ..code error
BM sends Cracker who did better vs g4 Boundman than Doffy, 11 hrs of fight where luffy is replenishing himself, cracker didn't eat nor rest.
"You are just too weak"
Kaido clearly shit Doffy portrayal. If he was that powerful than king, Kaido would at least deem him worthy of praise.
Doffy is below Kata/Marco/king/Smoothie/Cracker/Shiryu/Benn...
Whether slightly or by a huge gap... he is placed below top commanders I cited
I forgot: G4 BOUNDMAN is yet to dominate a SC , a Yonko... and even win 1 vs 1 lol
Even Snakeman was stalematef by base Kata
Anyway back to the topic
Zoro vs King isnt even cemented a little
Zoro is built up to beat Kyoushiro and orochi so far
you could argue law over kid
kid being over law isnt cemented
their best feat so far is injuring yc level characters
tho I would rank injuring doffy a bit higher
fighting kaido and losing like killer isnt adding much.
boundman would be very different with the new coa
supplemented with better fs ofc.
kid being over law isnt cemented
their best feat so far is injuring yc level characters
tho I would rank injuring doffy a bit higher
fighting kaido and losing like killer isnt adding much.
boundman would be very different with the new coa
supplemented with better fs ofc.
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Kidd is above Law!
Kidd 1 vs 1 only L comes from the best top tier.
Kidd fights a commander level dude without losing, law lost to base Doffy (yeah he was weakened but still losing to base Doffy is worse )
Kidd has CoC, wnao luffy is being compared to Kidd.
Luffy asks him to join while Law asked Luffy for alliance.
Kidd is given special treatment from Luffy.
The only pirate so far luffy has ever asked for alliance in a polite way too.
Law is with Zoro... even tho law is slightly better in feats and portrayal
Luffy and Kidd : conquerors
Law and Zoro : strong fighters but for now Urouge is above them since Urouge beat a commander (I can even rate Urouge above kidd for now)
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Kidd 1 vs 1 only L comes from the best top tier.
Kidd fights a commander level dude without losing, law lost to base Doffy (yeah he was weakened but still losing to base Doffy is worse )
Kidd has CoC, wnao luffy is being compared to Kidd.
Luffy asks him to join while Law asked Luffy for alliance.
Kidd is given special treatment from Luffy.
The only pirate so far luffy has ever asked for alliance in a polite way too.
Law is with Zoro... even tho law is slightly better in feats and portrayal
Luffy and Kidd : conquerors
Law and Zoro : strong fighters but for now Urouge is above them since Urouge beat a commander (I can even rate Urouge above kidd for now)
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he would if it was the only conceivable way for them to beat big mom
given that the alliance is facing what is likely the strongest pirate crew to ever have existed(rocks 2.0), I think immortality surgery will likely be used on someone.
and I doubt the SHs will get it as that would give them too much plot armor. This makes Kid the most likely candidate.
given that the alliance is facing what is likely the strongest pirate crew to ever have existed(rocks 2.0), I think immortality surgery will likely be used on someone.
and I doubt the SHs will get it as that would give them too much plot armor. This makes Kid the most likely candidate.
If Big Mom isn't defeated
Bepo and law's entire crew will die
Luffy and the SHs, who are his friends, will die
What if Law and Kid were in an impossible situation of having to take on Big Mom by themselves. Law gets critically wounded. All he can possibly do to help defeat big mom is use immortality surgery on kid. That is the kind of situation I imagine will happen.
Bepo and law's entire crew will die
Luffy and the SHs, who are his friends, will die
What if Law and Kid were in an impossible situation of having to take on Big Mom by themselves. Law gets critically wounded. All he can possibly do to help defeat big mom is use immortality surgery on kid. That is the kind of situation I imagine will happen.
