Well Oda highlighted that he has crushed "Masters of Armament Haki", so i think they were strong in their own right. Like i could definitely see someone like Jack caught in that and ending up begging for Queen to release him given their interactions
Well Sanji's Hell Memories covered even more than that, so i guess you'd argue that Sanji was also plot restricted from using it to prevent his escape ? If so, away goes the argument that he'd normally get "one shoted" even when caught as well.
that's different right? sanji's hells memories burnt wadatsumi and stronger dj attacks have close to no effect on queen, as he admitted. king's flames are just better at this point. no slight though, king's flames are part of his racial abilities and were hyped by whitebeard and marco and are probably better than every flame in the verse except the mera mera and the boro breath.
it really spells out how strong were the opponents that queen trapped in that move before are. i personally don't think any yc1 is struggling to get out of it given their abilities - katakuri shape shifts, marco just takes it and regens out of it, king burns queen the moment he tries that.
- chapter 1032 : coincides with Queen's bounty so Queen hype
- chapter 1033 : coincides with Sanji's bounty so Sanji hype and Queen gets defeated
- chapter 1039 : coincides with King's bounty so King hype
- chapter 1040 : Zoro hype and King gets defeated
I know It isn't related to what u were talking, but interesting how Queen doesn't threat Zoro differently, he actually think that both Zoro and Sanji are not on his and King's level.
What Zoro said was that when he mastered Enma he will be stronger. The fact that he judge himself as strong after the rooftop as during Zou means that he did not mastered Enma yet and that he did not grow stronger yet.
But you can see king and queen bleed and hurt with bruises, you dont have to verbally say you are hurt to prove you did, if they didnt have insane regan they would eventually fall, its just you need to 'overdamage" them so they could not regan enough.
I guess no one but zoro and luffy damaged kaido because he didn't say nothing to anyone but them.
and all of that damage is virtually nothing to these monsters. they dont have some passive regen if that's what you are insinuating. the ancient zoan durability is just that strong.
fwiw i think that zoro's rengoku onigiri did close to nothing to king as well.
Just because Hawkings had Kidd as hostage, the moment he figure out how to not harm Kidd Hawkings didnt last 0.02 seconds.
Read the goddamn spoilers fool.
How headcannon dude i said oda in an vivra card and other characters said it like law and more ????
Sanji isn't even using raid suit or haki, so you cant know that, if he got a powerup after he went all out then you would make sense
I said fast (not cast ) regen. Even if Queen has regeneration its slow. Queen never said anything about regen but he said that dinos are durable so no regen nonsense.
Thats what i am talking about Sanji didnt used the Raid Suit but Base Sanji cant defeat Queen. Queen mocks him and broke all his bones last chapter. Sanji needs to defeat Queen fast so it will happen with Raid Suit or a New Powerup.
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