Powers & Abilities Kid will split the sky with Big Mom
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Not happening anytime soon.
Luffy is the main character, and his potential is the highest in the series. He was already comparable to Kid before TS, if not stronger. Luffy then went on to dedicate two whole years only to get stronger while Kid's going around bullying New World veterans. As a result, He came out of time-skip way stronger than his peers as he logically should. That was the whole point of the TS i.e., to create an unfair gap b/w the SH Pirates and the rest of the WG bar BB.
After than, Luffy fought and defeated Doflamingo and Cracker—although he did receive external help. He fought Katakuri at WCI and gained a massive power up, furthering the gap b/w himself and his peers. At Wano, he fought Kaido and then gained advCOA at Udon; he also trained for some time to master it. By this time, the dude is so much above his peers that it's literally a joke to even think about comparing them with him.
Now, he's received an even bigger power boost than advCOA to finally be able to split skies with Kaido, and you guys think it's totally logical for Kid to replicate this feat just because he is a rival to Luffy? It's cringe that some of you think you're in any position to mock Zoro fanboys for believing in ZKK.
Luffy is the main character, and his potential is the highest in the series. He was already comparable to Kid before TS, if not stronger. Luffy then went on to dedicate two whole years only to get stronger while Kid's going around bullying New World veterans. As a result, He came out of time-skip way stronger than his peers as he logically should. That was the whole point of the TS i.e., to create an unfair gap b/w the SH Pirates and the rest of the WG bar BB.
After than, Luffy fought and defeated Doflamingo and Cracker—although he did receive external help. He fought Katakuri at WCI and gained a massive power up, furthering the gap b/w himself and his peers. At Wano, he fought Kaido and then gained advCOA at Udon; he also trained for some time to master it. By this time, the dude is so much above his peers that it's literally a joke to even think about comparing them with him.
Now, he's received an even bigger power boost than advCOA to finally be able to split skies with Kaido, and you guys think it's totally logical for Kid to replicate this feat just because he is a rival to Luffy? It's cringe that some of you think you're in any position to mock Zoro fanboys for believing in ZKK.
Yes, because CoC has absolutely nothing to do with the stuff you listed. The strength of CoC isn't something that can be trained, it is tied to the strength of one's spirit.
In terms of ambition, Kid's willpower is portrayed to be near that of Luffy's.
Its cringe that I think its more likely that Kid and Law vs Big Mom will have a satisfying ending than it is for Zoro to come and kill kaido out of the blue when this entire arc has been building up Luffy vs kaido and zoro's main fight is actually king.
In terms of ambition, Kid's willpower is portrayed to be near that of Luffy's.
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Its cringe that I think its more likely that Kid and Law vs Big Mom will have a satisfying ending than it is for Zoro to come and kill kaido out of the blue when this entire arc has been building up Luffy vs kaido and zoro's main fight is actually king.
This absolutely was not the point of the timeskip whatsoever. You’re so wrong on this point it’s hilarious.
The point of the timeskip was so that the SHs would be prepared before going into NW so that they would not suffer any loses to their crew like what almost happened to them in Saboady once they got there. It was not to put a huge gap between all their peers because while they were training, the other Supernova were gaining actual NW experience battling strong pirates (mainly Kidd) which can be a method of growing stronger. This method though comes with downsides that the SHs wanted to avoid and Kidds journey specifically is the one we can look at to see kind of what would’ve happened had they not trained before going in.
You claimed all Kidd did was “go around and bully NW Veterans”. But that is complete bullshit because we already know that while Luffy was fighting baboons on an island Kidd was fighting guys like RHP and Sweet Commaders Lol. You think Kidd got all those scars from “bullying” weaklings? Kidd and Killers vivre card specifically noted that they got into “many conflicts” in the NW. Hell look at how buff both of them got lol
Going head first into NW and fighting dudes for 2 years like Kidd did is absolutely a valid way to get stronger, just as good as hiding on an island training for 2 years depending on who you’re fighting against. But it’s risky because you will most likely have to suffer losses to grow, which is something the SHs did not want to do. Kidd got much stronger through actual experience but he lost an arm, gained scars, probably lost crew mates, and tarnished his reputation to do it.
Now that the SHs trained for 2 years before going to NW, when they get there they were prepared to immediately make an impact and didn’t have to suffer for two years to grow strong like Kidd. That’s the point of the timeskip. But just because they trained doesn’t mean Luffy came into NW way stronger than a guy who was actually in the NW getting into many conflicts and gaining real experience for two years.
Two methods of gaining strength. Training (Safe and efficient) vs Experience (Risky and painful but great pay off if you survive). Luffy took the safe way because he could not afford any losses, Kidd took the hard way because he didn’t care and he paid the price for that. They still end up at around the same strength though beginning of timeskip.
The point of the timeskip was so that the SHs would be prepared before going into NW so that they would not suffer any loses to their crew like what almost happened to them in Saboady once they got there. It was not to put a huge gap between all their peers because while they were training, the other Supernova were gaining actual NW experience battling strong pirates (mainly Kidd) which can be a method of growing stronger. This method though comes with downsides that the SHs wanted to avoid and Kidds journey specifically is the one we can look at to see kind of what would’ve happened had they not trained before going in.
You claimed all Kidd did was “go around and bully NW Veterans”. But that is complete bullshit because we already know that while Luffy was fighting baboons on an island Kidd was fighting guys like RHP and Sweet Commaders Lol. You think Kidd got all those scars from “bullying” weaklings? Kidd and Killers vivre card specifically noted that they got into “many conflicts” in the NW. Hell look at how buff both of them got lol
Going head first into NW and fighting dudes for 2 years like Kidd did is absolutely a valid way to get stronger, just as good as hiding on an island training for 2 years depending on who you’re fighting against. But it’s risky because you will most likely have to suffer losses to grow, which is something the SHs did not want to do. Kidd got much stronger through actual experience but he lost an arm, gained scars, probably lost crew mates, and tarnished his reputation to do it.
Now that the SHs trained for 2 years before going to NW, when they get there they were prepared to immediately make an impact and didn’t have to suffer for two years to grow strong like Kidd. That’s the point of the timeskip. But just because they trained doesn’t mean Luffy came into NW way stronger than a guy who was actually in the NW getting into many conflicts and gaining real experience for two years.
Two methods of gaining strength. Training (Safe and efficient) vs Experience (Risky and painful but great pay off if you survive). Luffy took the safe way because he could not afford any losses, Kidd took the hard way because he didn’t care and he paid the price for that. They still end up at around the same strength though beginning of timeskip.
Did you seriously think I was thoughtlessly listing everything that Luffy's been doing after TS without knowing how it relates to COC? COC isn't something that's tied to user's spirit with a knot or something; it's literally the personification of it's users spirit. COC is relative to the user's strength. What it means is, while you can't specifically train to make your COC stronger akin to COA/COO, you can make it stronger by making yourself stronger. So every little boost you get in your overall power level contributes to making your COC stronger. Therefore, every single thing I've listed earlier contributed to making Luffy and, by extension, his COC stronger.
Sure, it's one thing if you think Kid and Law vs. BM will have a more satisfying ending than ZKK—I've not uttered a word against Kid and Law winning or ZKK not happened— but it's different story when you're trying to force some kind of equality b/w Luffy and Kid. Just to make things clear, I don't believe ZKK will happen but I acknowledge the possibility because there are hints.
Also, I must say it's funny how you're totally fine with Kid and Law defeating Big Mom despite Luffy announcing multiple times that he's going to beat BM, and there being no build up b/w the duo and BM before chapter 1010. You're actually actively advocating it. Meanwhile, you're hellbent on proving ZKK won't happen even though there are many implications hinting at it being possible.
Sure, it's one thing if you think Kid and Law vs. BM will have a more satisfying ending than ZKK—I've not uttered a word against Kid and Law winning or ZKK not happened— but it's different story when you're trying to force some kind of equality b/w Luffy and Kid. Just to make things clear, I don't believe ZKK will happen but I acknowledge the possibility because there are hints.
Also, I must say it's funny how you're totally fine with Kid and Law defeating Big Mom despite Luffy announcing multiple times that he's going to beat BM, and there being no build up b/w the duo and BM before chapter 1010. You're actually actively advocating it. Meanwhile, you're hellbent on proving ZKK won't happen even though there are many implications hinting at it being possible.
Yeah, Rayleigh proposed SHs to train for two years because the they were totally not strong enough enter the New World and grow stronger while gaining the so called New World experience the same way that Kid and Law did it. And it's not like we've already saw just how huge the gap b/w SHs and their peers is on rooftop.
The SHs (mainly mister trio) were definitely strong enough to enter New World and grow stronger. I’m not disagreeing with that. But if they did, Luffy is even more reckless than Kidd. He and his crew would most likely suffer major losses, maybe even worse than Kidd’s to get survive those 2 years in NW without training. They did not want that they wanted to be prepared before going into NW which is why they stuck back and trained for two years.
Again that’s the point of the timeskip. Not so that they would be way stronger than all their peers. Guys like Kidd weren’t sitting around twiddling their thumbs while the SHs trained lol
Again that’s the point of the timeskip. Not so that they would be way stronger than all their peers. Guys like Kidd weren’t sitting around twiddling their thumbs while the SHs trained lol
You were right in saying that TS happened because they didn't want what happened to them at Sabaody to repeat again, but what happened in Sabaody? They were beaten and they lost their entire crew because of an admiral, a Shichibukai, a dude who's likely commander level, and a couple of robots. Basically, Rayleigh wanted them to be prepared for some of the worst case scenario's even the New World has to offer. If that doesn't put them ahead of their peers who only experienced similar things in the New World, I don't know what would.
That's a top tier feat, a Yonko one to be specific.
Kid is battling alongside Law, not alone. It's Law + Kid = Luffy, or Law + Kid > Luffy, that's the portrayal.
So pretty much impossible to see the sky splitting scene against BM. And btw, the sky was already cleared by Luffy and Kaido, so this scene is even less likely to happen.
Kid is battling alongside Law, not alone. It's Law + Kid = Luffy, or Law + Kid > Luffy, that's the portrayal.
So pretty much impossible to see the sky splitting scene against BM. And btw, the sky was already cleared by Luffy and Kaido, so this scene is even less likely to happen.
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It doesn’t automatically put them ahead of all their peers because those same peers (mainly Kidd) were getting stronger through the experience of battling strong pirates for 2 whole years. Luffy probably had the foundations of haki mastered better than his peers since he had a teacher dedicated to it, but then at the same time, that same teacher told him that haki blooms in real intense battle. That’s what Kidd was doing, having real life or death NW battles.
All I’m saying is that when you say, “the point of the time skip was to create a huge gap between the SHs and their peers besides BB” I’m saying that is completely wrong. The point was so that they would be better prepared going into NW than those peers were when they went. Kidd is the main guy who shows the contrast between the two ways of getting stronger. Training (Luffy) Experience (Kidd). And we can also look at Kidds NW journey to see the downsides of the experience method. Kidd was probably stronger than Luffy beginning the timeskip tbh. It’s those life and death fights that Luffy had in NW that made him surpass Kidd because now Luffy has combined training with experience.
All I’m saying is that when you say, “the point of the time skip was to create a huge gap between the SHs and their peers besides BB” I’m saying that is completely wrong. The point was so that they would be better prepared going into NW than those peers were when they went. Kidd is the main guy who shows the contrast between the two ways of getting stronger. Training (Luffy) Experience (Kidd). And we can also look at Kidds NW journey to see the downsides of the experience method. Kidd was probably stronger than Luffy beginning the timeskip tbh. It’s those life and death fights that Luffy had in NW that made him surpass Kidd because now Luffy has combined training with experience.
Actually, luffy had pushed himself to the extreme more than kid pretimeskip. So much so that he even lost lifespan. it is the reason why pretimeskip, Kid said Luffy had a headstart on him.
Ennies Lobby to marineford is more extreme than Kid has ever experienced in his life. And then Post timeskip, he experienced even more harsher fights.
That is the gap between them is both quality of experience and training, as well as natural talent. Luffy is talented in haki as rayleigh has stated.
Kid was a pirate for 3 years before Luffy even became one. So was Law and Bege.
If kid gets CoC he wont be splitting the sky like Luffy. He will have it at yamato's or less.
Ennies Lobby to marineford is more extreme than Kid has ever experienced in his life. And then Post timeskip, he experienced even more harsher fights.
That is the gap between them is both quality of experience and training, as well as natural talent. Luffy is talented in haki as rayleigh has stated.
Kid was a pirate for 3 years before Luffy even became one. So was Law and Bege.
If kid gets CoC he wont be splitting the sky like Luffy. He will have it at yamato's or less.
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