Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1030 Spoilers Discussion

[ThatMojaveCourier06]

What I am about to say I think every one piece fan who reads will agree.

Yonkos are above admirals. I was of the view that it was by alot. But is not. However it's still a small margin.

Using the normal yonkos and admirals let me specify why the gap isn't big but at the same time explain why the yonkos are still above.

1. The yonkos are portrayed as being a force that needs to be taken down by multiple people while we can make the claim that the admirals will be 1v1 fights.

2. Admirals are haki masters and devil fruit masters. We know this based on an invisible haki barrier they were able to create in marine ford. Admirals aren't born freaks of nature but are more like soldiers that have honed their kraft while at the same time getting busted devil fruits.

Yonko on the other hand or literally born freaks of nature (except shanks) and thus have crazy power and thus also have insane amounts of haki (admirals have better haki control while yonko have better haki reserves). Yonkos also have good fruits but aren't inherently powerful unless the user him or herself is powerful. Which means theoretically admirals devil fruits off rip are more busted than a yonkos fruit.

3. Lastly we conclude with looking at the following:

Admirals have better haki control since they are a police unit and honed their haki skills while yonkos are naturally freaks that are strong and thus dont need to refine their haki game as much since they already have such high reserves of it... eg. Kaido does not have to be a coa specialist cuz he is already freakishly durable.

So admirals better haki skills

Yonko better haki reserves

Admirals better devil fruit potency

Yonkos better devil fruit coverage while also having more natural AP that makes up for the lack of devil fruit potency in conparison

I also once believed the Yonko were way above admirals. And then eventually I thought they were only a bit above the Admirals. Now, I believe the Admirals and Yonko are comparable.

This new chapter really shows how Big Meme is really just a giant brick. Durable, strong, but is incompetent and relatively slow. The Admirals on the the other hand are portrayed as relatively speedy, and competent, as well as being durable and experts at haki. I struggle to see any of the OG Admirals losing to Big Meme, or even Fuji, especially considering the nature of his DF. The Yonko (Kaido and Big Meme) may be monsters in durability and strength, but compared to the all-rounder monsters that are Admirals, I fail to see Big Meme, defeating any.

 

[AkainuTheGrimReaper]

I can`t wait for SH rematch with Kizaru.
When Zoro or even Sanji destroy him, it will be fun time on forum.

Yeah right in realit, zoro and kizaru will fight alone to prevent kizaru spamming his attack on luffy crew.
Sanji is already yonko level of pain tolerance trio of big mom and kadio.

were you same person who thought zoro would never fight kadio guy ?

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If oda made Fuji admiral have real gravity power and zoro actually cut gravity, black hole, supernova. Then zoro beat him. The vs battle wiki would put zoro and Fuji admirall as universal tier

 

[NAMELESS]

I also once believed the Yonko were way above admirals. And then eventually I thought they were only a bit above the Admirals. Now, I believe the Admirals and Yonko are comparable.

This new chapter really shows how Big Meme is really just a giant brick. Durable, strong, but is incompetent and relatively slow. The Admirals on the the other hand are portrayed as relatively speedy, and competent, as well as being durable and experts at haki. I struggle to see any of the OG Admirals losing to Big Meme, or even Fuji, especially considering the nature of his DF. The Yonko (Kaido and Big Meme) may be monsters in durability and strength, but compared to the all-rounder monsters that are Admirals, I fail to see Big Meme, defeating any.

Yes,Admirals are way smarter and competent!

 

[Shiroyru]

The admirals’ fruits are superior to the Yonkos’ fruits.

Oda literally said that WB’s fruit can “rival” powerful logias, and WB’s fruit is outright superior to Big Mom’s.

Bullshit

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

How the hell are you back but fuckthis3 and don le fishe are still banned?

I'm more powerful than they are.

 

[AkainuTheGrimReaper]

I also once believed the Yonko were way above admirals. And then eventually I thought they were only a bit above the Admirals. Now, I believe the Admirals and Yonko are comparable.

This new chapter really shows how Big Meme is really just a giant brick. Durable, strong, but is incompetent and relatively slow. The Admirals on the the other hand are portrayed as relatively speedy, and competent, as well as being durable and experts at haki. I struggle to see any of the OG Admirals losing to Big Meme, or even Fuji, especially considering the nature of his DF. The Yonko (Kaido and Big Meme) may be monsters in durability and strength, but compared to the all-rounder monsters that are Admirals, I fail to see Big Meme, defeating any.

i start read one piece on 2016 as adult. As kid, I know one piece show by 4kids. That I know one piece as kid because 4kids. As time as by, I look up on internet and saw it has too many episode to watch. So I never have any interest in one piece as kid.

As adult about yonko vs admiral debate, I view yonko and admirals are equal counter point as first read one piece. All three admirlas handle whitebeard well. Never understand why people think yonko are stronger than admirals. I look at feats. I guess I am dbz fan and goku fan, and hardcore Mario fanboy who think Mario beat sonic.
By feats admirals are literal superior warrior compare to yonko except prime whitebeard.

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Yes,Admirals are way smarter and competent!

They srent more compentant since a pretimeskip luffy was able to run up on them as still live to tell the tale. There was no realistic way this dude should have thrown a log at 3 admirals and not get his shit pushed in for attempting such stupidity

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Irrelevant.

Also, Akainu or Aokiji alone would still solo Kaido and his crew.

I have a very hard time believing that when luffy was in all 3 of their faces and wasn't immediately destroyed.

Hell dude was even pushing back a marine hq fleet admiral. That was to wild

 

[Iam25]

And plus. If true why didn't the admirals wipe out Shanks and BB right there?

They srent more compentant since a pretimeskip luffy was able to run up on them as still live to tell the tale. There was no realistic way this dude should have thrown a log at 3 admirals and not get his shit pushed in for attempting such stupidity

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I have a very hard time believing that when luffy was in all 3 of their faces and wasn't immediately destroyed.

Hell dude was even pushing back a marine hq fleet admiral. That was to wild

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

And plus. If true why didn't the admirals wipe out Shanks and BB right there?

Who knows. The depiction of top tiers at Marineford is a known inconsistency/plot hole. Power scaling is literally the main criticism of that arc.

 

[sanjikun]

What if Law used Kroom to put a piece of metal inside big mom's stomach and Kid used his awakening to create a super magnet a couple feet away from her.

I feel like something like this could be a way that kid and law win. The only problem is that now that they've pulled awakening, big mom's probably going to go serious, meaning they won't have a big opening to do stuff like that anymore.

Law's awakening opens up a whole new ballgame. He could KROOM all the weapons/bombs in Onigashima inside of Big Mom.

Idk if Oda's going to go that route, because that might actually kill BM.

I also once believed the Yonko were way above admirals. And then eventually I thought they were only a bit above the Admirals. Now, I believe the Admirals and Yonko are comparable.

This new chapter really shows how Big Meme is really just a giant brick. Durable, strong, but is incompetent and relatively slow. The Admirals on the the other hand are portrayed as relatively speedy, and competent, as well as being durable and experts at haki. I struggle to see any of the OG Admirals losing to Big Meme, or even Fuji, especially considering the nature of his DF. The Yonko (Kaido and Big Meme) may be monsters in durability and strength, but compared to the all-rounder monsters that are Admirals, I fail to see Big Meme, defeating any.

You guys are too blinded by recency bias. When a character is introduced you wank the shit out of them. When they're about to be defeated, you downplay them.

Everyone has their own criteria of what "strong" is, and what characters "should" do. And when it doesn't happen, you think the "new" characters will do that.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

My man @Iamm25 is literally using plot holes to downplay the admirals.

 

[Iam25]

Who knows. The depiction of top tiers at Marineford is a known inconsistency/plot hole. Power scaling is literally the main criticism of that arc.

Or. Because Shanks = 1.5 admirals at least

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

Y’all know this low key confirms doffy YFM lvl right. @Plex @comrade


Awakening cost stamina, which suggests that G4 round everybody thought doffy barely survived complete bs.

He goes on to pull a completely upgraded version of awakening out to combat G4 directly. Of course being completely overwhelmed. But KKG wayy above YC lvl.

This man needed GK/KKG/ an a full round of G4. Has CoC & awakening, an portrayal directly superior to Y2Cs.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Or. Because Shanks = 1.5 admirals at least

Or. Because Oda wanted to end the arc and Shanks was the most obvious ex machina.

 

[Iam25]

Or. Because Oda wanted to end the arc and Shanks was the most obvious ex machina.

But it has to be believable.

If Shanks was only = 1 admiral then why are the RHP standing in the backgrounds smiling like badasses when Sengoku could easily just order to slaughter them?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Y’all know this low key confirms doffy YFM lvl right. @Plex @comrade


Awakening cost stamina, which suggests that G4 round everybody thought doffy barely survived complete bs.

He goes on to pull a completely upgraded version of awakening out to combat G4 directly. Of course being completely overwhelmed. But KKG wayy above YC lvl.

This man needed GK/KKG/ an a full round of G4. Has CoC & awakening, an portrayal directly superior to Y2Cs.

this Honestly

the only thing that puts him below kata and king is haki

but let’s not pretend for a second that jack is a threat to him

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

But it has to be believable.

If Shanks was only = 1 admiral then why are the RHP standing in the backgrounds smiling like badasses when Sengoku could easily just order to slaughter them?

That’s what makes it a plot hole/contrivance. It’s not believable.

 

[Iam25]

That’s what makes it a plot hole/contrivance. It’s not believable.

Or maybe, Shanks can take on Akainu, Doflamingo, Kuma, and a few vice admirals at the same time and win extreme difficulty

 

[Albino 👑]

Y’all know this low key confirms doffy YFM lvl right. @Plex @comrade


Awakening cost stamina, which suggests that G4 round everybody thought doffy barely survived complete bs.

He goes on to pull a completely upgraded version of awakening out to combat G4 directly. Of course being completely overwhelmed. But KKG wayy above YC lvl.

This man needed GK/KKG/ an a full round of G4. Has CoC & awakening, an portrayal directly superior to Y2Cs.

Joker hype > calamity hype

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I don’t understand how gear 4th is so much stronger than most awakenings, even in dressrosa