[FNZ] Salem of Lies Throne of Lies IV: A Halloween Special

[EkkoLoJinx]

tldr for those who don't want to read, altho this post is very summarized and misses lots of the good points so i urge you to read the full case

> zemmi never helped me push or consider ali in day 1. she basically ignored him all together
> today she finally tags him with me for the first time and before he even claims she, out of nowhere, mentions that neutral indies are in the game. note that this is before alibaba even claim a neutral indie, and note that zemmi did not even consider good indies in her post.
> now comes alibaba and easily claimes neutral indie like its nothing without any resistance. note how he only does it after zem asks him and sets the stage for him to enter? he does not even mention night actions
> next zem asks him about actions and says he does not kills, then mentions for the second time that we should not really punish neutral indies. Like man. she was reallly realllyyy not surprised about that alibaba claim at all. It seems to be super staged in a mafia chat, and the ease with which he claims it tells me alot already.
> then comes ratchet to finally start a push on krogo without commenting on alibaba at all. this is done to ensure we look another way, specially to bait me into joining him on a krog lynch.


please just read the full case

idk if i am right or wrong, but it had to be said

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

You are really tin foiling lol. Swear, it is all just coincidence, I would never ever do such as scum in the thread like that.

eh
your gameplay seem really towny
but I will not forget this

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

we lynch alibaba and if he is really a neutral indie then zem is good

is anyone game for that?

this sounds like a selfish decision but its for the sake of my sanity

 

[Ratchet]

As for Alibaba well his Indie claim leaves a lot to be desired to me and I think there's a good chance he's a more hostile Indie. Probably should be blocked etc.

 

[Kagu Nyan]

tldr for those who don't want to read, altho this post is very summarized and misses lots of the good points so i urge you to read the full case

> zemmi never helped me push or consider ali in day 1. she basically ignored him all together
> today she finally tags him with me for the first time and before he even claims she, out of nowhere, mentions that neutral indies are in the game. note that this is before alibaba even claim a neutral indie, and note that zemmi did not even consider good indies in her post.
> now comes alibaba and easily claimes neutral indie like its nothing without any resistance. note how he only does it after zem asks him and sets the stage for him to enter? he does not even mention night actions
> next zem asks him about actions and says he does not kills, then mentions for the second time that we should not really punish neutral indies. Like man. she was reallly realllyyy not surprised about that alibaba claim at all. It seems to be super staged in a mafia chat, and the ease with which he claims it tells me alot already.
> then comes ratchet to finally start a push on krogo without commenting on alibaba at all. this is done to ensure we look another way, specially to bait me into joining him on a krog lynch.


please just read the full case

idk if i am right or wrong, but it had to be said

1. To that I

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

It's not a unique role, but seeing so many of them makes me wary. I can't rule them all out, though. It's a strange role to have multiple times, I don't know if I trust Flower or Midnight this game.

since i am having mixed feelings about you know, you might not like what i put in my last will but i have to
i dont trust to remain alive any longer if i was on point

 

[Kagu Nyan]

1. To that I

To that I have to add that I also kinda didn't support your Alibaba push.

 

[Ratchet]

we lynch alibaba and if he is really a neutral indie then zem is good

is anyone game for that?

this sounds like a selfish decision but its for the sake of my sanity

Ekko, zen. Alibaba will resolve himself eventually, but we don't need to burn a lynch. Ali can be addressed later in the game, he's *probably* not cult leader with that Indie claim.

 

[Kagu Nyan]

tldr for those who don't want to read, altho this post is very summarized and misses lots of the good points so i urge you to read the full case

> zemmi never helped me push or consider ali in day 1. she basically ignored him all together
> today she finally tags him with me for the first time and before he even claims she, out of nowhere, mentions that neutral indies are in the game. note that this is before alibaba even claim a neutral indie, and note that zemmi did not even consider good indies in her post.
> now comes alibaba and easily claimes neutral indie like its nothing without any resistance. note how he only does it after zem asks him and sets the stage for him to enter? he does not even mention night actions
> next zem asks him about actions and says he does not kills, then mentions for the second time that we should not really punish neutral indies. Like man. she was reallly realllyyy not surprised about that alibaba claim at all. It seems to be super staged in a mafia chat, and the ease with which he claims it tells me alot already.
> then comes ratchet to finally start a push on krogo without commenting on alibaba at all. this is done to ensure we look another way, specially to bait me into joining him on a krog lynch.


please just read the full case

idk if i am right or wrong, but it had to be said

But the neutral indie thing makes me susp. If Zemmi really did what Ekko claims to do here then it's an issue. Here Zemmi was so cautious of me not to claim to much people.

 

[Ratchet]

since i am having mixed feelings about you know, you might not like what i put in my last will but i have to
i dont trust to remain alive any longer if i was on point

You're allowing paranoia to drive your thought process. Keep it in mind if you must but it's important to strive for clarity of thought - otherwise everything that is said and done will further be interpreted as confirming your suspicions even when they do not.

 

[Kagu Nyan]

Ekko, zen. Alibaba will resolve himself eventually, but we don't need to burn a lynch. Ali can be addressed later in the game, he's *probably* not cult leader with that Indie claim.

Who do you want to lynch? Kro?

 

[Ratchet]

Who do you want to lynch? Kro?

Ya. Did you read my ISO post on him?

 

[Kagu Nyan]

Ya. Did you read my ISO post on him?

Not completely. I'm planning to do it eventually tho.

Just that I read Ekko's post too and he is suspicious of you for diverting attention from Alibaba. Now you are accusing him of paranoia which Kro also did and he discredited most of the town reads.

So I'm confused and curious.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Whatever role Odd has last game that was a town role is another one, since he tried to use it on me.

Btw sooo off topic @Ekkologix last game did you make me bleed immune?

yea i mentioned it last game too after it ended. i made u immune
we worked well that game

shame i have doubts now, and when i have doubts its hard to convince me

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

t-pein was killed because he wanted to lynch kagura

someone is setting kagura up guys

@Enryu u r a prime candidate

 

[Ratchet]

Not completely. I'm planning to do it eventually tho.

Just that I read Ekko's post too and he is suspicious of you for diverting attention from Alibaba. Now you are accusing him of paranoia which Kro also did and he discredited most of the town reads.

So I'm confused and curious.

Oh, my parania accusation here isn't alignment-indicative. I think it's more he's picked up a trend and he's stuck on it instead of evaluating the posts on their own merits. Which is why I'm asking him to see the bigger picture on it and not get too hung up on a single scenario.

 

[Kagu Nyan]

t-pein was killed because he wanted to lynch kagura

someone is setting kagura up guys

@Enryu u r a prime candidate

Is it confirmed that we have unseen faction in the game?

Also what do you think of Midnight and Flower claiming Princess?

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

@krogothwolf i think u look better after ur interactions with ratchet, despite being a lil too stubborn
i feel like u have every right to question what info we have and its fair for u to be suspicious

but i must say you throwing 1 liners around to insinuate that paranoia is not something i appreciate

i'd probaably null u for now, looking for more red or green flags

 

[Ratchet]

It was working so well too, Ekko.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

@ZoroSlaysDragonTuna if you really are a night you should probably be on me or hover me atleast

i will confirm cal was saying the truth, i targeted him last night and it failed.

him being jailed adds up