This is Kro's first relevant post. The context is me agreeing with T-Pein that Ryu Kishi's list of lynch targets is lazy. Kro's reaction does not make sense. The way he phrased it suggests that he believes I am stating that any lynch on Ultra is lazy, which is clearly not the case. Nor does the prior clause, me agreeing with T-Pein, suggest as much. Like I told Kro at the time, a list of lynches can be lazy, and each individual lynch have merit.
The important part here is Kro's accusatory tone. He's not actually interested in why I'm lynching Ultra - he could have read the thread for that. Rather, he appears to be using me voting for Ultra as if I am in contradiction with myself. Curious, today he says that he felt my reasoning for voting Ultra was lazy, and that he was merely attacking that - he never even acknowledges this reasoning, let alone addresses it.
This proves my previous assertion - my reasoning on Ultra is not the point of contention here for Kro.
Kro immediately tries to characterise my questioning his angle as "defensive". He doesn't establish why it is defensive, just that it is. He then dismisses what I was actually asking him - why his angle was to question my vote on Ultra as if me voting Ultra was in conflict with me thinking Ryu's lynch list was lazy. It was not in conflict with said idea.
Firstly, as an aside - these posts I'm quoting are the only game relevant posts in his ISO to this point. We're 1/4 of the way through it, meaning Kro has spent the rest of his time fluffposting. In any case, I had established why it was nonsensical - because me voting for Ultra was entirely independent of Ryu Kishi creating a lynch list containing consensus wagons, and attempting to establish a contradiction there is a questionable angle to approach this - the reason why these players were consensus wagons was because they had some reasoning underpinning them, after all. Ryu sheeping them doesn't suddenly become not lazy as a result.
That's... it for Day 1. No really. The rest of his contribution is to fluffpost.
Onto Day 2.
Kro immediately conveys a level of trust in Flower. This is a stance he will not prove to be consistent in.
Pretty rich of Kro to be saying this - as of this point, he has 12 posts, and this is his 5th that's remotely non-fluff. And out of the non-fluff, what has he actually done that adds value to the game? Nothing.
Another example of Kro, trusting Flower on her word. This is in response to Flower saying "I have reasons to believe he's scum". It sure would be nice to see this mindset actually be followed through.
Kro never made any post against Zoro's reasoning itself. He's merely interested in questioning Ekko buying said reasoning. Kro never establishes why it's a "meh reason", he just says it is. And for the record - it isn't. With a Knight flipped, it stands to reason that there would be some doubt on future Knight claims. By getting ahead of this, Zoro can at least mitigate this doubt partially. Because as scum, such a claim would attract attention that need not exist. It does not make Zoro Town, of course, but the logic behind Zoro claiming here holds up (though his choice of action does not).
Kro isn't even remotely concerned with addressing this to Zoro. He is rather more concerned with Ekko believing Zoro. It's a... curious mindset, to say the least.
Ah yes, easy trusting nature. Also Krogothwolf:
But Kro isn't easy to trust others. No siree.
This is the first flagrant example of Kro shading. Kro has, to this point, not interacted with Zoro once. Kro also doesn't address why Zoro's first port of defence would be to claim an already-flipped role as scum, as opposed to myriad other claims he could utilise. Why is it shading? Well Kro doesn't actually give his opinion on the matter. He just comes up with possibilities, simply to prevent Zoro from being taken off the table. This is behaviour you will see from Kro, time and time and time again this game.
Kro hasn't talked about any of these players in any sort of depth whatsoever. No seriously. All of his relevant posts to this point are right here. This is also the first time we actually see him take a position on Zoro - that he believes Zoro is lying.
Kro is delighted there is another viable lynch on the table! "yes, yes, tell me more!", he says.
And what conclusions or information did Kro get from "to see what would happen"? Your guess is as good as mine.
The position Kro takes here is "well if you have info, that's okay". Like many positions he takes this game, he will fail to be consistent in it for long.
And why is this? Who knows, Kro never tells us.
"seems questionable" - why? Plenty of players who have some experience with ToL have also confirmed that they expect duplicate roles, the guide says there is no limit to the amount of each role that can show up, so what exactly is gained through this line of reasoning? Ah, mislynch bait.
"no no, I need you as a viable lynch!"
Kro: "why are you being so trusting".
Also Kro: "the king is known town".
So for Kro, a 75% chance of being Town is good enough to be included there... but he's not being overly trusting? You can apply that statistic to just about anyone - town have the majority of the players, after all. This further establishes Kro being unable to remain consistent in his beliefs - he's too trusting for some players, and yet is quick to complain when other players are trusting others with stronger reasoning than anything he has given for the players he trusts implicitly.
Says Kro, who has blindly believed Flower's claim.
But generic probability that is around equal to anyone else and... Flower being Flower is not minimal reasoning, apparently.
"please doubt your confirmation of Kagura, please...!"
Now he claims my vote on Ultra was lazy. See how the argument has changed since Day 1?
Kro strawmans me pointing out that Kagura has both Ekko and myself vouching for her not being able to have made the kill. I also never actually said he was suspicious, but that didn't stop him. Kro, can you point me to where Flower and Tris were cleared? Seeing as you trust them. ...no? Unfortunate.
I nested the quotes here to prove my point. Kro talks about my Ultra vote, I say he hasn't been reading the thread (otherwise he would know why I had voted Ultra), and Kro brings up... Kagura? No seriously. This is the direct line of dialogue, you can verify this for yourselves.
He says, while continuing to ignore the obvious risk it would present itself to vouch for Kagura without actually being about to vouch for her.
Not sure why he'd admit to this, given it actually looks worse as a result.
>hey Kagura gave us veritable information, it can't be her
>maybe you're being played?
Sloppy. For the information to be veritable, it would have to be able to be verified. That's um... kinda what veritable means. Given that it has, we can safely rule out the possibility that Ekko and I are being played.
Noted how this is enough for Kro to trust Tris... I guess it's enough for Kro to trust any single player in the game then, because everyone else has similar or greater odds of being town.
Kro really doesn't want Kagura off the table lol.
For someone so invested in having others question claims, he's doing awfully little of it himself.
I hope it's a good claim!
Unsurprisingly, he failed to establish this as a position I had ever took within the thread.
