Current Events Kid and Law Rooftop

#21
As effective as Gamma Knife which also bypasses tough exterior - nothing special.
Nothing special for Kaido. It's been shown that only Kaido can take this type of attack and keep on going like nothing.
You need special haki to hurt him (CoA or CoC attacks)
Kidd and Law have neither of them, that's why they are fighting Big Mom who by the way has no CoO and can't dodge anything at all.
 
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Herrera95

#23
As effective as Gamma Knife which also bypasses tough exterior - nothing special.
If that was the case than Law is fucking stupid to use his awakening which spends much more energy when he could only use Gamma Knife. Also his awakening would make no sense since he already had awakening powers with Gamma Knife.
 
#25
In the first place the rooftop is a fanservice fight where author wanted to make shine the main characters, so Kid and Law forgot overall about their abilities. Heck, even Killer could have damaged them more than Zoro with his internal attacks.

In the second place, awakening is a last card, which spends a lot of energy, quite explicitly explained in the last chapter. You should reread it. Or return to high school to learn some basic comprenhension skills.
 
#26
If that was the case than Law is fucking stupid to use his awakening which spends much more energy when he could only use Gamma Knife. Also his awakening would make no sense since he already had awakening powers with Gamma Knife.
Gamma knife is a lot stronger but he has to be close and make contact to use it, whereas with Kroom he can shot it from distance.
So he's risking getting caught and one shoted by using Gamma Knife if he fights a real top tier with CoO, reflex and durability. He was lucky Kaido was in his dragon form otherwise he'd be dead
 
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Herrera95

#27
Gamma knife is a lot stronger but he has to be close and make contact to use it, whereas with Kroom he can shot it from distance.
So he's risking getting caught and one shoted by using Gamma Knife if he fights a real top tier with CoO, reflex and durability. He was lucky Kaido was in his dragon form otherwise he'd be dead
Kroom to me is just a different Room. He got close to BM anyway.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#28
Nothing special for Kaido. It's been shown that only Kaido can take this type of attack and keep on going like nothing.
You need special haki to hurt him (CoA or CoC attacks)
Kidd and Law have neither of them, that's why they are fighting Big Mom who by the way has no CoO and can't dodge anything at all.
Well, I think their problem is not that they cant hurt Kaido, they can, perhaps even more effective than Luffy but they used it just once.
One punch from Luffy didnt contribute as much as Law's Gamma Knife or Killer's Sonic Scyther. They would have to spam those like Luffy spams his own attacks for them to accumulate and take noticeable stamina away from Kaido...

All those attacks hurt him and they werent as shallow as those of Scabbards, Killer's attack even went full through.
The only one who wasnt impressive was Kidd but you can say that Kaido also screamed from his slam...
If they used Awakening on Kaido they wouldnt have gotten anywhere just the same since they need to spam it.

Well, I am sure that BM has CoO like Kaido does but they are just not the types who are good combatants but instead two tough sitting ducks... They dont look impressive but their toughness carries them to the top of the One Piece world... And BM seems to be powering up so she may look better but overall, she wont change, she will remain a tough sitting duck.

If that was the case than Law is fucking stupid to use his awakening which spends much more energy when he could only use Gamma Knife. Also his awakening would make no sense since he already had awakening powers with Gamma Knife.
Exactly, Law's and Kidd's Awakening are stupid because they were already capable of the same thing before them.
Law could do the same with Gamma Knife while Kidd could have done the same with Repel.
However, since the fight isnt over, they might show something that makes it worth the huge stamina tax.
 
#29
Well, I think their problem is not that they cant hurt Kaido, they can, perhaps even more effective than Luffy but they used it just once.
One punch from Luffy didnt contribute as much as Law's Gamma Knife or Killer's Sonic Scyther. They would have to spam those like Luffy spams his own attacks for them to accumulate and take noticeable stamina away from Kaido...

All those attacks hurt him and they werent as shallow as those of Scabbards, Killer's attack even went full through.
The only one who wasnt impressive was Kidd but you can say that Kaido also screamed from his slam...
If they used Awakening on Kaido they wouldnt have gotten anywhere just the same since they need to spam it.

Well, I am sure that BM has CoO like Kaido does but they are just not the types who are good combatants but instead two tough sitting ducks... They dont look impressive but their toughness carries them to the top of the One Piece world... And BM seems to be powering up so she may look better but overall, she wont change, she will remain a tough sitting duck.


Exactly, Law's and Kidd's Awakening are stupid because they were already capable of the same thing before them.
Law could do the same with Gamma Knife while Kidd could have done the same with Repel.
However, since the fight isnt over, they might show something that makes it worth the huge stamina tax.
The thing is Kaido has started to dodge attacks when he can do it.
While I agree that Law and Killer can damage Kaido to some extent (Kidd can not), Luffy did a lot better than them, even without the spamming that you mentioned.
You'll just have to put your hate towards Luffy aside here.
Kaido acknowledged Luffy more than anyone else on the rooftop, that's a fact.
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Kroom to me is just a different Room. He got close to BM anyway.
Yeah their awakening are kinda lame because it doesn't really look more powerful than what they could do before (aside from Oda retconing Big Mom's durability and his usual inconsistencies) and it seems to take a big toll on them
 
#30
Gamma knife is a lot stronger but he has to be close and make contact to use it, whereas with Kroom he can shot it from distance.
So he's risking getting caught and one shoted by using Gamma Knife if he fights a real top tier with CoO, reflex and durability. He was lucky Kaido was in his dragon form otherwise he'd be dead
What? :kaidowhat:

Awakening = Kroom + Anasthesia + Shockwille >> non-awakening = room + Gamma knife

Last resort on life or death >> casual move that was used on dragon Kaido

This isnt rocket science. This is basic shonen logic
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#31
Kaido acknowledged Luffy more than anyone else on the rooftop, that's a fact.
Well, as MC he gets the most panel time so of course the story will focus on him and praise him more even when Zoro does better with Asura. Luffy alone landed more than 53 hits on Kaido while Zoro, Law, Kidd and Killer had like 3 each, or so...

Luffy doing better is because of that spam, there was no single hit from him that I would place above Zoro's for sure and most likely not above Law's GK and Killer's SS. If Zoro landed 53 Tatsumakis or 53 Asuras, the fight would be over.

If Law landed 53 GK and Killer landed 53 SS, Kaido would probably be in worse shape than he is after Luffy's 53 hits which, by Luffy's own admission, were too shallow.
 
#32
They didn't get a chance to. Using it too soon would have drained their energy too much and they'd been sitting ducks. A smarter strategy is to weaken your opponent, especially if they are op as hell as much as possible, then do your best moves.
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
#33
Well, as MC he gets the most panel time so of course the story will focus on him and praise him more even when Zoro does better with Asura. Luffy alone landed more than 53 hits on Kaido while Zoro, Law, Kidd and Killer had like 3 each, or so...

Luffy doing better is because of that spam, there was no single hit from him that I would place above Zoro's for sure and most likely not above Law's GK and Killer's SS. If Zoro landed 53 Tatsumakis or 53 Asuras, the fight would be over.

If Law landed 53 GK and Killer landed 53 SS, Kaido would probably be in worse shape than he is after Luffy's 53 hits which, by Luffy's own admission, were too shallow.
 
#34
Shitty writing? Mmmm just because it does not fill your requirements it means it is shitty.

As Kid said, using their unmastered awakenings might take away to much stamina and nothing would had guaranteed them to be success, so of course it was to risky to use it, yet they couldnt win without them.
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So Luffy is downplaying Zoro?
 
#37
"Rooftop was fanservice"

I wouldn’t go as far as some of these other people and just disregard the roof as fan service, but it was clearly for Luffy and Zoro the two SHs to shine against Kaido. I said it before Kidd and Big Mom were especially held back on the roof. Law and Killer too. But especially Kidd and Big Mom. Why? Because their main battle was always going to be off the roof
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#38
I wouldn’t go as far as some of these other people and just disregard the roof as fan service, but it was clearly for Luffy and Zoro the two SHs to shine against Kaido. I said it before Kidd and Big Mom were especially held back on the roof. Law and Killer too. But especially Kidd and Big Mom. Why? Because their main battle was always going to be off the roof
And did I say Kid, Killer and Law went all out on the rooftop?

The users who say it's fanservice usually do to downplay Zoro's rooftop feats. Most of them swore on their mothers than Zoro wouldn't see Kaido for this arc and look at what happened. Their reactions are don't surprise me at all lmfao.
 
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