Character Discussion The relationship between Doflamingo and Viola in Oda's mind

[Shinsekai]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_83#Chapter_833.2C_Page_118

"D: I love the Dressrosa arc and have read it many times... but there is one thing I don't really understand. So I sent this question to the current sbs and you. "Why did Viola and Doflamingo call each other "Doffy", "Violet" in chapter 788 "How I fight"?" What were both of them thinking of at that time back then? P.N. Fuki

O: Hm, she was dashing against the enemy. There is a deep secret setting I can't tell you about though. I informed the supervisor about it, but since it is a pretty adult part of the story it remains hidden in the shonen manga which One Piece is. To all adults, please try to imagine yourselves. Dressrosa is truly a passionate country!!"

I think we all know what that means/implies. But it's still fucked up that this is what's considered canon by Oda even if it wasn't explicitly stated in the manga for obvious reasons

I think Oda in general can't write any female characters for shit because he lets his own personal view of IRL women get in his way when he writes fictional women

 

[sanjikun]

he lets his own personal view of IRL women get in his way when he writes fictional women

So Oda took over a country through covert operations, overthrew the existing monarchy and banged the would-be princess?

No wonder we're getting longer and longer breaks between chapters.

 

[Finalbeta]

They must of had a very mind catching relationship, overall I believe Viola arguably despised Doffy more and more but she did keep working for the man still, maybe afraid leaving would have constituted betrayal and Doffy was treating her an as object.

 

[Uncle Van]

Oda CAN write good female characters; Oda deliberately chooses not to so do. Oda has stated that his comic is for young boys and that "girls wouldn't care about OP" nor would boys views themselves as anything more than the hero the women.

 

[JerAx]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_83#Chapter_833.2C_Page_118

"D: I love the Dressrosa arc and have read it many times... but there is one thing I don't really understand. So I sent this question to the current sbs and you. "Why did Viola and Doflamingo call each other "Doffy", "Violet" in chapter 788 "How I fight"?" What were both of them thinking of at that time back then? P.N. Fuki

O: Hm, she was dashing against the enemy. There is a deep secret setting I can't tell you about though. I informed the supervisor about it, but since it is a pretty adult part of the story it remains hidden in the shonen manga which One Piece is. To all adults, please try to imagine yourselves. Dressrosa is truly a passionate country!!"

I think we all know what that means/implies. But it's still fucked up that this is what's considered canon by Oda even if it wasn't explicitly stated in the manga for obvious reasons

I think Oda in general can't write any female characters for shit because he lets his own personal view of IRL women get in his way when he writes fictional women

Dont think its rape tho,more like stockholm syndrome.
Doffy acts gentle towards his subordinate

 

[NAMELESS]

So Violet was Doffy's lover?hm...

 

[IceWitch]

Wrong. She seduced him simply to get close enough to eventually betray him, and to also protect her father and Rebecca.

 

[Finalbeta]

So Violet was Doffy's lover?hm...

I bet love hate relationship and then became just hate for Viola.

 

[oddoddfruit]

Angry sex, it happens

 

[ShinichiMugi]

People immediately thought about rape but it was probably a "sleep with the enemy" situation. It happens both in real life and in fictional stories,many times. And altough is not very politically correct nowadays to say it,its true that women are often attracted to bad guys.

 

[mugiwalaw]

so, Violet was another Komurasaki?

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

think Oda in general can't write any female characters for shit because he lets his own personal view of IRL women get in his way when he writes fictional women

What has Viola/Doffy relationship has to do with a supposedly bad writing about women. And how this relationship proves Oda has a twisted view or something like that about women IRL?

Like, how is that making any sense? How did you reach that conclusion?

 

[Garp the Fist]

Viola pegs Doffy and Doffy pretends it’s Crocodile doing it, obv.

 

[Finalbeta]

Viola is a good soul, Doflamingo is not. I bet she despised him so hard.

 

[ShinichiMugi]

Remember that when in Dragon Ball Bulma gets with Vegeta he was still the evil guy who didnt regret to have killed an entire Namekian village. Vegeta changes later in the story,during the Cell arc.

 

[rerere]

Violet was attracted by Doffy even considered what he did to the Family & Country, a weakness she was not proud about.
Doffy knew this and took advantage of it by having occasional sex with her, as an ulterior symbolic proof of his King status.
Violet behavior is so contradictory cause its visceral and passionate, that's what Oda meant with the Dressrosa reference and if you think about it fully fits the theme of the arc.

 

[Finalbeta]

Violet was attracted by Doffy even considered what he did to the Family & Country, a weakness she was not proud about.
Doffy knew this and took advantage of it by having occasional sex with her, as an ulterior symbolic proof of his King status.
Violet behavior is so contradictory cause its visceral and passionate, that's what Oda meant with the Dressrosa reference and if you think about it fully fits the theme of the arc.

I think she probably ate Doffy since a long time and was aware that leaving his service would have constituted betrayal endangering her life and she arguably didn't find the right courage to act and come to a change of life other than one of heart. 🤔

 

[Kiiro]

Nah, Doffy does not rape people. Nothing suggestest that.

Doflamingo literally said that he viewed Viola as of her people, her family. They both had nicknames, as said by Oda.

"Then why are you here Viola?" Doflamingo once again thinks that Viola could had surrender...
"Passinate decision.. Dofy" There indeed was some quimic there.. he even respects her own decision lol.
"Hesitate to kill you.... Dont punish for failure in his people" Viola might have thought to make Doflamingo hesitate and get time
"Punish for betrayel.." All comes from how he thought he was betrayed from his family, he is not that.

Spoiler

As someone said, "Love is the most twisted curse"

 

[Roo]

In Oda’s mind: love/hate relationship

irl: borderline rape. Definitely not fully consensual

there’s a reason why the man doesn’t write romance

 

[Finalbeta]

I wish we could acknowledged more of their relationship, like all the spicey details and the contrivancies.