Powers & Abilities Explaining Sanji's CoC

[Julius]

At no point did Oden give up on opening the border. Ace chose to avenge Thatch because of Whitebeard's reputation. He faced death at the hands of Blackbeard and mentioned his dream, seeing Whitebeard as PK. They didn't accept those things not happening. If Sanji mentioned seeing All Blue with Pudding sure, but he didn't.

Ace died because he stopped to fight Akainu for shitting on Whitebeard and there by insulting his dream. I bet it Queen said something about the All Blue Sanji would just flip a bird and keep running.

Zoro's dream is intertwined with Luffy's. When Mihawk asked him about it in 3D2Y, his answer was seeing both come true. He specifically said that he wanted to be trained to surpass Mihawk in order to see Luffy's dream come true. With Kuma, it was his life or their dreams, which is why he had to sit Sanji down.



Again, it wasn't making a temporary sacrifice. His dream was defeated. He was like "shucks Luffy can go become PK without me."

You're just ignoring one of the main points of the whole thread

Can't you see Queen asking him to use the Raid Suit, and he refuses while getting all of his bones crushed to death? Before Sanji uses Hells Memories he made it clear to Queen

"Hey, im already burning, don't add more fuel to the fire"

He is obviously refeering about the whole Queen trashtalk towards him, the Germa and Judge mentions and stuff. Thats what Sanji established in this chapter that he absolutely prefers to get killed by the hands of Zoro instead of becoming what he doesn't want to become and live the way he absolutely doesn't want to, destroying the suit and saying he will find a way to win the battle by his own efforts despite the cost

 

[Finalbeta]

You get that people’s dreams aren’t the only thing that someone can be motivated by right…

Let’s see CoC users who put other things above their dreams:
Oden - Wanted to open wanos borders but instead chose to get his citizens out of Wano after Kaido and orochi took over
Ace - Wanted to see Whitebeard as the pirate king, but chose his crewmates life over his own the entirety of Marineford
Zoro - Wanted to be the WSS but when choosing between his dream and Luffys, he chose to sacrifice his and his life.

Sanji in WCI was given a choice of his life or the lives of those he cherished, he chose his like the other CoC users mentioned above.

Luffy chose to risk Ace's life in order to forward his dream even a little more and didn't go assist him before he would get brought to Impel Down.

Also if Zoro had no choice but to protect Luffy's life he would or else his captain would die, while Zeff's life was not sure to be ended had Sanji tried to fight the BMP. 🤔

 

[Adam 🍎]

Luffy chose to risk Ace's life in order to forward his dream even a little more and didn't go assist him before he would get brought to Impel Down.

Luffy did what? Luffy was hell bent on rescuing Ace so much so he walked into Impel Down and Marineford. He specifically asked to be brought to Impel Down the moment he heard of Ace's capture

Also if Zoro had no choice but to protect Luffy's life he would or else his captain would die, while Zeff's life was not sure to be ended had Sanji tried to fight the BMP. 🤔

Zoro per his own words when Luffy met him - If i have to chose between you and my dream i'll choose my dream --- only to backtrack that for Luffy - Sanji did literally the same, he chose to protect Luffy and his crew for the sake of his dream.

Literally 2 identical moments

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Sanji’s obviously getting CoC, don’t know why people keep denying it lol

He isn't getting. Oda is literally not writing sanji to get his powerups from haki powerups

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Luffy chose to risk Ace's life in order to forward his dream even a little more and didn't go assist him before he would get brought to Impel Down.

Also if Zoro had no choice but to protect Luffy's life he would or else his captain would die, while Zeff's life was not sure to be ended had Sanji tried to fight the BMP. 🤔

But Zoro did have a choice. He could’ve let Sanji bite the bullet. He chose to sacrifice his dream for other people.

Sanji knew the depravity of Germa and Big Moms known for sending the head of someone you care about. It was rather certain someone Sanji deeply cared about would die if he didn’t go. Or did you just not read WCI?

 

[Finalbeta]

Luffy did what? Luffy was hell bent on rescuing Ace so much so he walked into Impel Down and Marineford. He specifically asked to be brought to Impel Down the moment he heard of Ace's capture

Nope , remember when Lola introduced the SHs to vivre cards and Luffy was mentioned how Ace's card was burning? That's where I was going.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Zoros dream isn’t to see Luffy become the pirate king, please show me where in Canon hes said that.



Oden literally gave up Wano and chose the citizens over his dream. That was stated outright during his execution.



Ace didn’t die because Akainu insulted his dream he died because Akainu insulted the man he looked up to.



What kind of crappy headcanon are you using to say “Dreams = Motivation.” Show me one point in canon where Big Mom has mentioned her dream of the island where all people can coexist.

Yasheen , are you high? Show you Big Mom's dream in canon?

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Oden admitted to giving up on his dream during the execution?

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Who finds All Blue if Sanji dies? No one, he doesn't expect anyone to care lol. Shit he thought FI was All Blue because it had fish pussies in it.

And then you wanna talk about Zoro and Ace like the point isn't clear. Ace was triggered because Akainu called Whitebeard a failure and Ace's goal is to see Whitebeard NOT FAIL. Zoro... I don't know how you need a refresher but here

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If you can't find Sanji talking about All Blue with this kind of conviction, whether or not it relates to being with Luffy, then lay your drunk ass down.

 

[Adam 🍎]

Nope , remember when Lola introduced the SHs to vivre cards and Luffy was mentioned how Ace's card was burning? That's where I was going.

Luffy had no idea what was going on until he reached Amazon Lily

 

[Julius]

Sanji is the Strawhat that had to make the most tough decisions with the biggest consequences throw to right in front of his face, involving everything he cares the most

No one else in the crew comes even close.

Even in Zoro's moments of sacrifice and great resolution, guess what?

Sanji is right there witnessing it and doing the same. And here he strikes again, and it fits so much what we already got from him

 

[Finalbeta]

Luffy had no idea what was going on until he reached Amazon Lily

Yeah but originally he acknowledged Ace's life was at major risk due the vivre card burning....

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Now many people know that I don't particularly like how oda treats sanji and worse I don't like these sanji stans (fake sanji fans)

But I will reason with you.

The only way in which sanji gets coC is if he becomes a Marine captain, dies his hair pink, and go back in time so that he would be the first person we see luffy interact with at the start of the story

 

[Fn Lucci]

You're just ignoring one of the main points of the whole thread

Can't you see Queen asking him to use the Raid Suit, and he refuses while getting all of his bones crushed to death? Before Sanji uses Hells Memories he made it clear to Queen

"Hey, im already burning, don't add more fuel to the fire"

He is obviously refeering about the whole Queen trashtalk towards him, the Germa and Judge mentions and stuff. Thats what Sanji established in this chapter that he absolutely prefers to get killed by the hands of Zoro instead of becoming what he doesn't want to become and live the way he absolutely doesn't want to, destroying the suit and saying he will find a way to win the battle by his own efforts despite the cost

Yeah that's not his dream. Any protagonist character would rather die than become a piece of shit against their will. That wasn't a really tough choice lol. He didn't even destroy the suit until Queen started egging him on. He went from refusing to use it, to agreeing to use it, to enjoying the use of it, and rejecting it again because it bit him in the ass and not because of his initial choice to not use it.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

Again, it wasn't making a temporary sacrifice. His dream was defeated. He was like "shucks Luffy can go become PK without me."

As if one has the luxury to only mare temporary sacrifices. Zoro dying at TB would have very much been definitive as well.

 

[Fn Lucci]

As if one has the luxury to only mare temporary sacrifices. Zoro dying at TB would have very much been definitive as well.

There's a difference between making a temporary sacrifice and intending to make one. Sanji offered no resistance.

Meanwhile Zoro sacrificing himself to Kuma or Kaido would have gotten Luffy past an enemy he could not beat, ergo ensuring that he is closer to becoming PK

 

[Kuro Ashi]

There's a difference between making a temporary sacrifice and intending to make one. Sanji offered no resistance.

Meanwhile Zoro sacrificing himself to Kuma or Kaido would have gotten Luffy past an enemy he could not beat, ergo ensuring that he is closer to becoming PK

Zoro also offered no resistance when he realized he's facing an obstacle that he can't overcome by force. Sanji was presented with that from the get go, with Zeff's life on the line. Him putting up any resistance meant Zeff would be killed, and he was reminded of that on multiple occasions

 

[radiant07]

Its pointless to argue about it. Whether you think he meets the open-ended criteria there is to be a conqueror in One piece doesn't really matter. Oda will give it to whoever he wants to and whoever he thinks needs it for their storyline. What i'll say tho is, in every trio there is always one person who seems to not have CoC.

(Roger, Rayleigh, Gaban); (Roger, Whitebeard, Shikki); (Luffy, Zoro, Nami); (Luffy, Kidd, Law); (Garp, Sengoku, Tsuru); (Luffy, Zoro, Sanji); (Luffy, Ace, Sabo)
We'll see if that changes. I'm 50/50 he gets, don't really care.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Zoro also offered no resistance when he realized he's facing an obstacle that he can't overcome by force. Sanji was presented with that from the get go, with Zeff's life on the line. Him putting up any resistance meant Zeff would be killed, and he was reminded of that on multiple occasions

Kuma accepted his deal, therefore Zoro didn't need to do anything else. If he wasn't willing to take Zoro's life and spare Luffy, then Zoro would have died fighting just the same...

Basically the same deal Luffy made with Aokiji, but unlike a deal made by Sanji

And again the difference is that Sanji at no point had a thought about what he would do once Zeff was free or anything. He'd have lived happily with Pudding and that's all we know

Its pointless to argue about it. Whether you think he meets the open-ended criteria there is to be a conqueror in One piece doesn't really matter. Oda will give it to whoever he wants to and whoever he thinks needs it for their storyline. What i'll say tho is, in every trio there is always one person who seems to not have CoC.

(Roger, Rayleigh, Gaban); (Roger, Whitebeard, Shikki); (Luffy, Zoro, Nami); (Luffy, Kidd, Law); (Garp, Sengoku, Tsuru); (Luffy, Zoro, Sanji); (Luffy, Ace, Sabo)
We'll see if that changes. I'm 50/50 he gets, don't really care.

That is, unless you see them as en exception or if you believe they are a Rocks type group.

 

[bennbeckman]

I had no idea imaginary CoC existed

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Yasheen , are you high? Show you Big Mom's dream in canon?

Spoiler

Oden admitted to giving up on his dream during the execution?

Spoiler

Who finds All Blue if Sanji dies? No one, he doesn't expect anyone to care lol. Shit he thought FI was All Blue because it had fish pussies in it.

And then you wanna talk about Zoro and Ace like the point isn't clear. Ace was triggered because Akainu called Whitebeard a failure and Ace's goal is to see Whitebeard NOT FAIL. Zoro... I don't know how you need a refresher but here

Spoiler

If you can't find Sanji talking about All Blue with this kind of conviction, whether or not it relates to being with Luffy, then lay your drunk ass down.

That already happened with in Sanji's flashback when he first met Zef ​

 

[BleakAsh]

Zoro reacting with a simple “Huh?” to someone asking him to kill them = SHOCKED

As ever, if Sanji gets CoC, it’ll be for no other reason than Oda doing his predictable symmetrical thing; he hasn’t earned it whatsoever and simply isn’t built like a conqueror in physique or mindset even after the last few chapters

whats this mindset of the conquerer you talk about?