Powers & Abilities Explaining Sanji's CoC
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Death is not a temporary concession 
Zoro offered to trade his life for Luffy, and that's pretty much what Sanji did with Zeff.
Zoro offered to trade his life for Luffy, and that's pretty much what Sanji did with Zeff.
Conquerors go out on their shield, like Roger smiling. Or Ace, or Oden, or Luffy smiling. Whitebeard stood like a G. Zoro struck a pose in Baratie, Little Garden, and Thriller Bark. Who retires from pirate life? Um... Bellamy and Sanji lol
Speaking of, when Bellamy was held hostage Luffy whooped his ass and got pissed at Doflamingo for the trouble. Shanks took on Higuma, Zoro did a deed similar to Oden against Morgan, etc. The only one of those who actually gave up was Chinjao because of his deformity. I guess if you want to argue that Sanji is as good as Chinjao, then sure
Death is not a temporary concession Zoro offered to trade his life for Luffy, and that's pretty much what Sanji did with Zeff.
Zoro offered to trade his life for Luffy, and that's pretty much what Sanji did with Zeff.
What are you on about ? Sanji's the character who puts himself most at risk of death for his beliefs or to protect others with no hesitation at all. Doing that is the easiest thing in the world for Sanji.
Having to make the decision to break away from Luffy and sacrifice his journey alongside him in order to save Zeff's life is the hardest decision Sanji had to make.
What the hell are those examples ? How do you compare that with Zeff being at threat of dying in an entirely different ocean, with no way to prevent it from Sanji's position ?
The example with Zoro in TB applies. Zoro gave himself for Luffy, because that was the only way he could save Luffy's life, and Sanji gave himself and his future for Zeff, because that was the only way to save his.
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Absolutely not. Zeff was at threat of getting killed by Germa's people in an entirely different ocean. The set up was done as such to lock Sanji out of options, and make it so that nothing can be done in Whole Cake Island, to prevent the death in East Blue if Sanji goes against his family.
Am sorry man but if you think about it more accurately you may understand that Luffy would have likely never processed the same thoughts Sanji did for the simple reason that he had the opportunity to rebel in order to fullfil his dreams. It's true he would have risked Zeff's life more as well as the SHs' but remember when Luffy left Ace alone when discovering about his vivre card thanks to Lola and still kept on following his journey trusting him.
Sanji should have trusted his nakama to help him take on the BMP to keep fullfilling his dream despite that would have meant riskin Zeff's life.
Sanji should have trusted his nakama to help him take on the BMP to keep fullfilling his dream despite that would have meant riskin Zeff's life.
Taking on the BMP would not save Zeff's life.
Oda clearly built this as a "no way out for Zeff" if Sanji fights back
There's no "risk", it's as good as Sanji killing Zeff with his own hands if he acts against these conditions.
That's what the story tells us, so that's the fact of the matter. The fanfiction people write to find ways around this is not part of the story.
Just like how Zoro had to capitulate because there was no other way to save Luffy's life in TB, so did Sanji because there was no other way to save Zeff's life.
Taking on the BMP would not save Zeff's life.
Oda clearly built this as a "no way out for Zeff" if Sanji fights back
There's no "risk", it's as good as Sanji killing Zeff with his own hands if he acts against these conditions.
That's what the story tells us, so that's the fact of the matter. The fanfiction people write to find ways around this is not part of the story.
Just like how Zoro had to capitulate because there was no other way to save Luffy's life in TB, so did Sanji because there was no other way to save Zeff's life.
Oda clearly built this as a "no way out for Zeff" if Sanji fights back
There's no "risk", it's as good as Sanji killing Zeff with his own hands if he acts against these conditions.
That's what the story tells us, so that's the fact of the matter. The fanfiction people write to find ways around this is not part of the story.
Just like how Zoro had to capitulate because there was no other way to save Luffy's life in TB, so did Sanji because there was no other way to save Zeff's life.
He was simply too afraid to take responsibilities.
Good thing that he opened his eyes once all the events occurred and Germa and Capone sustained the SHs.
If required he would have had to tackle even the Germa if they were being threatful.
Of course he's alive now that Sanji basically saved Judge and Germa, after it was revealed what Big Mom's real plan was with the wedding.
It's hilarious how you judge what Sanji should have done in certain known conditions, based on the outcome that resulted from all of those conditions being changed.
Sanji took reponsibility and chose to sacrifice himself for Zeff, because at that time it was the only way to save Zeff's life.
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Well Sanji will be the worlds greatest at something as well
Whitebeard's "ambition" was to have a family. He also had a rule that no one can attack someone from his family without consequences, but he backed off from that with Blackbeard. Sanji > Whitebeard, he sticks to his code without exception while WB broke his own
Whitebeard's "ambition" was to have a family. He also had a rule that no one can attack someone from his family without consequences, but he backed off from that with Blackbeard. Sanji > Whitebeard, he sticks to his code without exception while WB broke his own
Well Sanji will be the worlds greatest at something as well
Whitebeard's "ambition" was to have a family. He also had a rule that no one can attack someone from his family without consequences, but he backed off from that with Blackbeard. Sanji > Whitebeard, he sticks to his code without exception while WB broke his own
Whitebeard's "ambition" was to have a family. He also had a rule that no one can attack someone from his family without consequences, but he backed off from that with Blackbeard. Sanji > Whitebeard, he sticks to his code without exception while WB broke his own
Whitebeard's aspired to make Ace the pirate king. Which is why he made an exception, as he knew Blackbeard was setting some sort of trap. But he understood what the importance was for Ace and figured that if something happened, he'd smash through the Navy's greatest powers to save him. That's a dominant man, we'll get nowhere trying to put Sanji on his level...
You don't see the full picture my friend. Luffy would have arguably never accepted to give up his dreams like that.
I'm not clinging on the already known outcomes, I'm starting from the origin.
When Luffy arrived to WCI Sanji had the material means to rebel and start taking over but he didn't, he wasn't ballsy enough, he feared Zeff would get killed, that he could not have changed things if not by surrendering. Luffy is not like that. Luffy would have struggled with all his strenghts trusting his nakamas support, he would have pulled a serious angry expression and striked whomever was attempting a dear friend's life. This is what separates the two personalities fundamentally.
I'm not clinging on the already known outcomes, I'm starting from the origin.
When Luffy arrived to WCI Sanji had the material means to rebel and start taking over but he didn't, he wasn't ballsy enough, he feared Zeff would get killed, that he could not have changed things if not by surrendering. Luffy is not like that. Luffy would have struggled with all his strenghts trusting his nakamas support, he would have pulled a serious angry expression and striked whomever was attempting a dear friend's life. This is what separates the two personalities fundamentally.
Sanji would have done the same if Zeff was anywhere within reach.
You don't seem to grasp that sometimes there are definitive consequences to one's actions that are simply unavoidable and must be dealt with as presented.
Zoro realized this when he offered himself instead of Luffy. He understood that just fighting against Kuma would lead nowhere, it's a fight he can't win, and so he gave himself up in Luffy's place.
You don't seem to grasp that sometimes there are definitive consequences to one's actions that are simply unavoidable and must be dealt with as presented.
Zoro realized this when he offered himself instead of Luffy. He understood that just fighting against Kuma would lead nowhere, it's a fight he can't win, and so he gave himself up in Luffy's place.
