Manga Discussion D.Gray Man

[Konstantis]

Good evening, lady and gentlemens,

@Joy D. MADS @Mr.9000 @notAfanboy @Luffywankishere @Ice devil slayer @Natalija @playa4321 @Cross_Marian @RayanOO @Steven @Tyki_Mikk

we finally got good scans of new chapter and normal translation, not oficial but it works, so here we go:

D.Gray Man, chapter 242 link is here https://mangadex.org/chapter/073d4cd6-7e5a-4f0a-ae20-56ea911bf294/1
So now we could discuss new chapter, finally.
I would say what I really love this chapter is the art...I mean every scan, and manga panel is God damn picture!

 

[Cross_Marian]

Good evening, lady and gentlemens,

@Joy D. MADS @Mr.9000 @notAfanboy @Luffywankishere @Ice devil slayer @Natalija @playa4321 @Cross_Marian @RayanOO @Steven @Tyki_Mikk

we finally got good scans of new chapter and normal translation, not oficial but it works, so here we go:

D.Gray Man, chapter 242 link is here https://mangadex.org/chapter/073d4cd6-7e5a-4f0a-ae20-56ea911bf294/1
So now we could discuss new chapter, finally.
I would say what I really love this chapter is the art...I mean every scan, and manga panel is God damn picture!

Beautiful art as always

Next chapter the "Earl" will appear. I think he’s some kind of Golem made by Adam.
Apo said to Allen: "Destroy him MY disciple."
We know that Apo gave Allen his innocence and he turned Allen into a child. We also know that Allen lost his memories, probably because of Apo. So Apo can give people innocence, change the body and age of someone and erase/manipulate memories…
Maybe Allen's flashback about Mana’s death was a false memory created by Apo and in reality Mana just turned into the Earl at some point. That would erase the plot hole. Who gave Allen the cursed eye though
:zorothink:

 

[Welkin]

Good evening, lady and gentlemens,

@Joy D. MADS @Mr.9000 @notAfanboy @Luffywankishere @Ice devil slayer @Natalija @playa4321 @Cross_Marian @RayanOO @Steven @Tyki_Mikk

we finally got good scans of new chapter and normal translation, not oficial but it works, so here we go:

D.Gray Man, chapter 242 link is here https://mangadex.org/chapter/073d4cd6-7e5a-4f0a-ae20-56ea911bf294/1
So now we could discuss new chapter, finally.
I would say what I really love this chapter is the art...I mean every scan, and manga panel is God damn picture!

Looks like we’re getting closer and closer to the end....

It gets better and better with every chapter too

 

[Konstantis]

We know that Apo gave Allen his innocence and he turned Allen into a child.

Actually we don't know that, but judging from fact that Apocryph killed Cross with Judgement, Cross weapon, I believe that any Innocence listen Apocryphs orders, case he is like the one who have right given from "God", or from Heart. If you think about it, Apocryph when find out that Allen have Nea inside of him , tried to became one with Allen, to destroy Nea, or actually "supress Nea's memory". I'm not really sure here so it could be both, and maybe Apocryph was the one who give Innocence to Allen knowing that Allen have Nea inside.

Maybe Allen's flashback about Mana’s death was a false memory created by Apo and in reality Mana just turned into the Earl at some point. That would erase the plot hole. Who gave Allen the cursed eye though

Well, that's the problem. You see I believe Allen ideed have Mana inside of him. Just look on this pannel.

Here we saw how Nea took a control on Allen's body. And Nea wasn't thinking that time to give Allen his body back.

Spoiler

But then happen this thing, and I'm sure this is clue about what and who Allen is. In a moment when Nea's seal was broken we saw this:

As you can see Nea was represented by Allen's right eye, but then Mana show himself and break Nea's control on Allen

Spoiler

And this was not the first time when we saw Mana as part of Allen.
Also that was not the first time when we saw Mana like this. It happen also in Crowly arc,.

We saw Mana for sure here, he even called himself as "darkness" and the next pannel we see this

Spoiler

Spoiler: 2

Spoiler: 3

Spoiler: 4

Mana here after listening Allen said that he need go deeper to a world darker then black and brighter then white.
Now you could say that it was Nea, but that the problem, Nea was supressed by "Mana". Also I really doubt that Nea know about "cursed eye", he rather was surpised to see it

Spoiler

So you ask, what is really happening? Well, because it was said that Nea and Mana are back side of War we could say that Mana is Darkness indeed, while Nea should be Light. So it will have sence to Mana being able to supress Nea, and Nea to supress Mana. So if person have them both inside he will be free to chose between whatever he wants and I believe that someone(maybe Past Allen) planned all this to gain both part of Nea and Mana souls. So I don't think that Mana is not inside Allen...I believe Mana is part of Allen, as well as Nea. Again Cross said that there is hidden side in this war, and it could Apocryph, but also it could be Past Allen who decided to wreak havoc things.

 

[Flynn]

I’ve watched like the first 15 episodes and I like it. Is it better to read the manga or watch the anime?

 

[Konstantis]

I’ve watched like the first 15 episodes and I like it. Is it better to read the manga or watch the anime?

If you like anime, you could just continue with it but don't forget to skip fillers, case in anime pacing in first 50 episodes is bad. Like events that took in anime 50 episodes in manga took less then 30 chapters. So yeah, but in anime fights between characters are pretty dope, especially for Leena Lee fight, for Road fight. But again it has censorship so in manga this stuff will look more serious. But you can reread manga any time, while anime really gives you that special gray atmosphere, OST, seyu are perfect there. So you could just continue watching anime, but if you feel like it's became boring(case they made some mix between cannon and filler episodes) jump to manga.
Also, the biggest difference between anime and manga for those first 15 episodes is the fact that in manga Allen's eye didn't heal till events that happened later, but in anime it healed like in next episode, which kinda downlplay that tension that you get from manga. But that's it.

 

[Flynn]

Ok

If you like anime, you could just continue with it but don't forget to skip fillers, case in anime pacing in first 50 episodes is bad. Like events that took in anime 50 episodes in manga took less then 30 chapters. So yeah, but in anime fights between characters are pretty dope, especially for Leena Lee fight, for Road fight. But again it has censorship so in manga this stuff will look more serious. But you can reread manga any time, while anime really gives you that special gray atmosphere, OST, seyu are perfect there. So you could just continue watching anime, but if you feel like it's became boring(case they made some mix between cannon and filler episodes) jump to manga.
Also, the biggest difference between anime and manga for those first 15 episodes is the fact that in manga Allen's eye didn't heal till events that happened later, but in anime it healed like in next episode, which kinda downlplay that tension that you get from manga. But that's it.

Ok thank you. How many chapters currently aren’t animated and is there a gap between Hallow?

 

[Konstantis]

Ok

Ok thank you. How many chapters currently aren’t animated and is there a gap between Hallow?

Ok, thing is that second season ended on 157/158 chapter, that you still should reread in manga, but then you could just jump to Hallow and watch it. In Hallow happened a bit different problem...they cutted some important things and even changed some dialogues, From other hand it has no censorship and really good pacing there. You basically will just need to rearead two chapters to fill the gap between anime and manga and that is chapter 187 and 188(after watching hallow). Anime ended on chapter 207, but you can start reading from chapter 206. Right now manga has 242 chapters and they wasn't animated, but I'm really not caring about this case artstyle of each manga panel right now is fanstastic. Each frame now is just like a picture. So that's yours answer.

 

[Cross_Marian]

Actually we don't know that, but judging from fact that Apocryph killed Cross with Judgement, Cross weapon, I believe that any Innocence listen Apocryphs orders, case he is like the one who have right given from "God", or from Heart. If you think about it, Apocryph when find out that Allen have Nea inside of him , tried to became one with Allen, to destroy Nea, or actually "supress Nea's memory". I'm not really sure here so it could be both, and maybe Apocryph was the one who give Innocence to Allen knowing that Allen have Nea inside.

Well, that's the problem. You see I believe Allen ideed have Mana inside of him. Just look on this pannel.

Here we saw how Nea took a control on Allen's body. And Nea wasn't thinking that time to give Allen his body back.

Spoiler

But then happen this thing, and I'm sure this is clue about what and who Allen is. In a moment when Nea's seal was broken we saw this:

As you can see Nea was represented by Allen's right eye, but then Mana show himself and break Nea's control on Allen

Spoiler

And this was not the first time when we saw Mana as part of Allen.
Also that was not the first time when we saw Mana like this. It happen also in Crowly arc,.

We saw Mana for sure here, he even called himself as "darkness" and the next pannel we see this

Spoiler

Spoiler: 2

Spoiler: 3

Spoiler: 4

Mana here after listening Allen said that he need go deeper to a world darker then black and brighter then white.
Now you could say that it was Nea, but that the problem, Nea was supressed by "Mana". Also I really doubt that Nea know about "cursed eye", he rather was surpised to see it

Spoiler

So you ask, what is really happening? Well, because it was said that Nea and Mana are back side of War we could say that Mana is Darkness indeed, while Nea should be Light. So it will have sence to Mana being able to supress Nea, and Nea to supress Mana. So if person have them both inside he will be free to chose between whatever he wants and I believe that someone(maybe Past Allen) planned all this to gain both part of Nea and Mana souls. So I don't think that Mana is not inside Allen...I believe Mana is part of Allen, as well as Nea. Again Cross said that there is hidden side in this war, and it could Apocryph, but also it could be Past Allen who decided to wreak havoc things.

I’m currently reading D.Gray Man again. Maybe I will notice something new.
I think we’re not far away from the truth

 

[Joy D. MADS]

I am getting very anxious... WHO or WHAT the fuck is Allen Walker?

 

[Flynn]

Ok, thing is that second season ended on 157/158 chapter, that you still should reread in manga, but then you could just jump to Hallow and watch it. In Hallow happened a bit different problem...they cutted some important things and even changed some dialogues, From other hand it has no censorship and really good pacing there. You basically will just need to rearead two chapters to fill the gap between anime and manga and that is chapter 187 and 188(after watching hallow). Anime ended on chapter 207, but you can start reading from chapter 206. Right now manga has 242 chapters and they wasn't animated, but I'm really not caring about this case artstyle of each manga panel right now is fanstastic. Each frame now is just like a picture. So that's yours answer.

Thank you so much 🙏

 

[Konstantis]

I am getting very anxious... WHO or WHAT the fuck is Allen Walker?

Rental apartment :D

But if serious it's hard to say. But I believe this one pannel is the answer that we looking for. Still this is just my opinion, so I could be wrong here:

This pannel is simmilar to something that happened with Nea and Mana

Spoiler: Chapter 117

just compare em

Spoiler: Chapter 218

, while they saw this

Spoiler: 218 part 2

In pannel we saw how Road remembered(?) something...or understand something? Hard to say right now but she saw Allen as Earl. What does that mean? I doubt that it's happened only because Allen have that Sword simmilar to Earl's sword. Thing that happened with Road kinda reminds something that happened with Mana and Nea. So that was something bigger than we could really understand right now. Anyway this is kinda related to Past Allen.
We know that he was possibly scientist or bookman student, so he was able to learn a lot about Earl abilities. Because of glasses and words about evolution I believe he was scientist.
Anyway that is just half answer on question...in the end Past Allen could be the one mastermind(like Jack from Pandora Hearts) behind everything, so there is even possibilty for him play out Aizen move. I mean scientist should be interested in obtaining immortality and power to push evolution, so when he said to Nea words about using his own body, he planned everything already. Which could made his main goal obtaining power of Earl, even without awakening as Noah. Which has sence...but right now it is obvious, even if that was his plan, he need something more.
This is what I think about question who is Allen.

 

[Joy D. MADS]

Rental apartment :D

But if serious it's hard to say. But I believe this one pannel is the answer that we looking for. Still this is just my opinion, so I could be wrong here:

This pannel is simmilar to something that happened with Nea and Mana

Spoiler: Chapter 117

just compare em

Spoiler: Chapter 218

, while they saw this

Spoiler: 218 part 2

In pannel we saw how Road remembered(?) something...or understand something? Hard to say right now but she saw Allen as Earl. What does that mean? I doubt that it's happened only because Allen have that Sword simmilar to Earl's sword. Thing that happened with Road kinda reminds something that happened with Mana and Nea. So that was something bigger than we could really understand right now. Anyway this is kinda related to Past Allen.
We know that he was possibly scientist or bookman student, so he was able to learn a lot about Earl abilities. Because of glasses and words about evolution I believe he was scientist.
Anyway that is just half answer on question...in the end Past Allen could be the one mastermind(like Jack from Pandora Hearts) behind everything, so there is even possibilty for him play out Aizen move. I mean scientist should be interested in obtaining immortality and power to push evolution, so when he said to Nea words about using his own body, he planned everything already. Which could made his main goal obtaining power of Earl, even without awakening as Noah. Which has sence...but right now it is obvious, even if that was his plan, he need something more.
This is what I think about question who is Allen.

So, could Past Allen be "awaiting" like a parasit inside Allen Walker's/Red's body? Waiting for something as you said? Like... Apocryphos absortion or so?

 

[Konstantis]

Great thoughts


I have another idea.
Innocence is "power" and power is always a neutral tool. The owner uses this power for good or bad things.
I think the church and Apo use the innocence for their own bad agenda, that doesn’t mean that the innocence itself is a bad thing.
It belonged to the owner of the heart and was used for good deeds.
Now we come to my main theory:
Cross said to Road that this world doesn’t have to meet the same fate. He’s defending the pillar, who’s a scapegoat of the Noah's now.

Cross believes in Nea's words. So Nea must’ve said that the pillar won’t destroy the world like the previous one. There’s a chance but Road doesn’t believe it. They are possessed by a ghost who wants revenge.
God only destroys a world completely (Apocalypse) when the evil has a lot of power and rules over the world. In such a world most humans are evil beings. The pillar is like a messiah who comes during the time of the apocalypse and destroys/purifies the world.
But there’s a chance that humanity doesn’t go the same way, it’s in the hands of mankind. If humanity stays mostly good then the world will not be destroyed. The church wants absolute power and the Noah's want destruction. The third side (Nea, Allen, Cross etc.) want a peaceful world and the pillar will use the heart to purify the world from the evil (Noah Clan and Church) who follow a false God. We also know that the Black Order has some kind of connection or use to the Earl. I will post another short theory about their connection.

You know it's hard to say what is truth and what is wrong. My point was just to explane what Earl's goal is. Could be he right or wrong that is different question. But
I'm not really sure that Innocence is just a weapon, case unlike the DarkMetter, innocence has it's own will. For example why Innocence punish summan and turned him into Fallen? Even more Innocence absorbed Suman soul...and that happened because Summan betray his comrades. He didn't betray Innocence, but Innocence judged him.
Also I'm not saying that Earl is right...you know everything is possible. This actually make D.GrayMan really complicated story, case even when we really staying close to final arc we still don't know who is wrong and who is right. So in the end Earl could be final boss, but Heart could be it as well.
Also talking about Cross...I don't think that he know everything. And that especially after 222 chapter when he said to Nea, that Road is using them. Also he didn't planned to meet his death from hands of Apocryph. But he obviosly know a lot of things and he have reasons to believe in Nea's plan. From other hand Nea said by himself that he is the "One who will destroy everything"

And maybe I'm wrong, but "Destroy Everything" gives me vibes of Pillar. And that was Nea's words. So I'm really not sure what Cross really wants here, or maybe Nea mean something else, or just forgot to explane everything to Cross. I mean like, imagine Nea said to Cross: "Yo, man..sorry I forgot to tell ya that I want destroy the world LOLZ But we good, right man?" So it's hard to say really.

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So, could Past Allen be "awaiting" like a parasit inside Allen Walker's/Red's body? Waiting for something as you said? Like... Apocryphos absortion or so?

I'm not sure really...maybe something goes wrong with his plan.
But I'm sure he needed someone to help him, and right now I got feelings that Road somehow involved with his party or his plan, we don't know for sure. But also it could be apocryph the one and only his companion. But regardless I believe Past Allen just using Apocryph/Road for own goals, so they possibly became just a pawns in his game. But from other hand both Apocryph and Road could try use him for their own goals too. So maybe it is fair game where each side trying to win in this "game" and overcome opponents.

 

[Cross_Marian]

We’re one month away from a new chapter

 

[Konstantis]

Ok, I have some news to share about Hoshino:
This is what Hoshino posted while ago in her instagram:

Apparently Hoshino's pains come back again in most hard way that we could imagine. So she feel pain when write anything...and this is really scary to know.

But here's a good news:

And Hoshino already responded that much more then she expected amount of people, write to her and agreed in helping her with writing manga. So there is the chance that we will get more pages in manga from now.

@Joy D. MADS @Mr.9000 @notAfanboy @Luffywankishere @Ice devil slayer @Natalija @playa4321 @Cross_Marian @RayanOO @Steven @Flynn @Tyki_Mikk

 

[notAfanboy]

Ok, I have some news to share about Hoshino:
This is what Hoshino posted while ago in her instagram:

Apparently Hoshino's pains come back again in most hard way that we could imagine. So she feel pain when write anything...and this is really scary to know.

But here's a good news:

And Hoshino already responded that much more then she expected amount of people, write to her and agreed in helping her with writing manga. So there is the chance that we will get more pages in manga from now.

@Joy D. MADS @Mr.9000 @notAfanboy @Luffywankishere @Ice devil slayer @Natalija @playa4321 @Cross_Marian @RayanOO @Steven @Flynn @Tyki_Mikk

Writing is a pain in the ###, I am a freelance writer and know what it takes to be consistent. I hope she gets better, usually it goes away with rest, but if it is the only thing you do, then you cant stay away from it too much. Kind of start to feel bad and there is an urge to get back to work.

Lets wish her the best and hope this assistant thing goes right.

 

[Konstantis]

Writing is a pain in the ###, I am a freelance writer and know what it takes to be consistent. I hope she gets better, usually it goes away with rest, but if it is the only thing you do, then you cant stay away from it too much. Kind of start to feel bad and there is an urge to get back to work.

Lets wish her the best and hope this assistant thing goes right.

Well, her story is more complicated. In 2012 she made surgery on her wrist, so possibly it's some rare deasease of joints or even bones. So it seems she feel physical pain when write anything...which is really horrible. This is why we started to get short chapters in 4 month, instead of 60 pages chapters.

As for assistance I'm a bit piss off on Jump, case editors should be the one, who should find her assistance, but from other hand maybe it's her desicion, to find people who actually love this story and want to help her.

 

[Cross_Marian]

The new chapter will be officially released on 27.01.2022

The English translations will be out later

 

[MonsterKaido]

Tyki mikk , nea walker