General & Others Officially confirmed: Zoro is the vice captain
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I think Oda has given the distiction if you see Rayleigh's introduction.
Right hand and First mate(Vice captain) aren't the same ,hence he made Rayleigh be both The First mate and the Right hand.
There would be no reason to mention both.
Red-orange Vice-captain.
Green Right hand.
The world saw him as the right hand and that's why I think Oda put it inside quotation marks,while the Vice captain was his internal role in the crew.
Marco also has only the Right hand unless I missed it.
The colour spread is about the The Second strongest-the Right hands.
Right hand and First mate(Vice captain) aren't the same ,hence he made Rayleigh be both The First mate and the Right hand.
There would be no reason to mention both.
Red-orange Vice-captain.
Green Right hand.
The world saw him as the right hand and that's why I think Oda put it inside quotation marks,while the Vice captain was his internal role in the crew.
Marco also has only the Right hand unless I missed it.
The colour spread is about the The Second strongest-the Right hands.
People just give up, Zoro is the right hand/first mate/ could be captain on is own (based on 2 SN captain)/ he is the strongest strawhat beside his captain/ and he is one of the leading 5 stars on the rooftop for the next generation of pirate (based on Oda&Marco words).
Just give up candy boy, Zoro is far superior to your wing bullshit
look vic confirmed today that Zoro is the first mate:
People just give up, Zoro is the right hand/first mate/ could be captain on is own (based on 2 SN captain)/ he is the strongest strawhat beside his captain/ and he is one of the leading 5 stars on the rooftop for the next generation of pirate (based on Oda&Marco words).
Just give up candy boy, Zoro is far superior to your wing bullshit
People just give up, Zoro is the right hand/first mate/ could be captain on is own (based on 2 SN captain)/ he is the strongest strawhat beside his captain/ and he is one of the leading 5 stars on the rooftop for the next generation of pirate (based on Oda&Marco words).
Just give up candy boy, Zoro is far superior to your wing bullshit
For Cabaji to be under the authority of the first mate of the crew, not only he seemed more respected than Mohji but both of them had to fight to a draw as they both claimed captaincy without Buggy. Your example doesn't hold up as good as it seems.
They are all second strongest, what I'm discussing is that this color spread says nothing about who is or isn't first mate as the OP assumed (as if this "confirmed Zoro is the vice captain", which it doesn't). Simple as that.
Since I've addressed Zoro to be Luffy's number two tons of times, and since what I'm discussing is that he hasn't been officially given the rank of first mate and what this means in terms of structure and hierarchy, you are totally lost at what I'm even saying here.
Just get my points right or shut up, for real. You don't even know what I'm supposedly delusional about.
Where? I haven't seen any direct source in Japanese addressing Zoro as the first mate.
They are all second strongest, what I'm discussing is that this color spread says nothing about who is or isn't first mate as the OP assumed (as if this "confirmed Zoro is the vice captain", which it doesn't). Simple as that.
You
The cover photo painted a very very clear picture of #2s.... some being VCs, some being seen as VCs etc.
I can agree with you that you are "The stupid here" we disagree on the fact that you are really sharing your opinion which is that of someone in extreme denial
The cover photo painted a very very clear picture of #2s.... some being VCs, some being seen as VCs etc.
I can agree with you that you are "The stupid here" we disagree on the fact that you are really sharing your opinion which is that of someone in extreme denial
Just get my points right or shut up, for real. You don't even know what I'm supposedly delusional about.
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Where? I haven't seen any direct source in Japanese addressing Zoro as the first mate.
This is the title Oda gave Cabaji not something I'm making up
Everyone on that colour spread has been named vice-captain of their crew with the exception of Shiryu, so you going on and on about it saying they arent vice-captains is contradicting the story no?
Multiple people in the verse call Zoro vice-captain of the straw hat pirates, Oda's team has officially called him vice-captain of the straw hat pirate, so my question is why are you against Oda naming Zoro vice-captain of the crew?
Everyone on that colour spread has been named vice-captain of their crew with the exception of Shiryu, so you going on and on about it saying they arent vice-captains is contradicting the story no?
Multiple people in the verse call Zoro vice-captain of the straw hat pirates, Oda's team has officially called him vice-captain of the straw hat pirate, so my question is why are you against Oda naming Zoro vice-captain of the crew?
look vic confirmed today that Zoro is the first mate:
People just give up, Zoro is the right hand/first mate/ could be captain on is own (based on 2 SN captain)/ he is the strongest strawhat beside his captain/ and he is one of the leading 5 stars on the rooftop for the next generation of pirate (based on Oda&Marco words).
Just give up candy boy, Zoro is far superior to your wing bullshit
People just give up, Zoro is the right hand/first mate/ could be captain on is own (based on 2 SN captain)/ he is the strongest strawhat beside his captain/ and he is one of the leading 5 stars on the rooftop for the next generation of pirate (based on Oda&Marco words).
Just give up candy boy, Zoro is far superior to your wing bullshit
Peak Comedy. The Zolotard called me candy boy.
You fanboys reach new low each passing day.
Different opinion that goes against my agenda = candyland boy.
First you baseless accuse me about my liking of OP characters then have the gall to mention fucking Viz to say he is the first mate. What does the guy handling the twitter for Viz even know?
It's like using the opinions of wiki guys as facts.
Legit retarded stuff.
Watch what you drink bozo.
Why would I continue the debate, it's like talking to a wall. Number 2 paints a very clear and distinct picture and you refuse to see said picture and try and fail miserably at painting your own picture.
I will continue to post Stages of Risitas grief memes because it perfectly depicts your comments and how far away from reality they are
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I will continue to post Stages of Risitas grief memes because it perfectly depicts your comments and how far away from reality they are
:cantseeme:I know Cabaji's title, what I'm saying is that he isn't under Mohji's authority as shown by the fact that they both fought to a draw because both claimed captaincy in Buggy's absence; which directly contradicts what first mates serve for but fits the portrayal of chiefs of staff (and equivalent positions) holding similar authority within a group (hence Gambia being Bartolomeo's obvious number two, Sabo appearing in this spread as Dragon's number two, Trébol being modelled after Sancho Panza himself and so on).
Tell me when Marco, Katakuri, King and Killer have been named first mates; and I mean first mates (副船長), not right hand man, not strongest subordinate, nothing like that but the official, hierarchical rank of first mate, which is explicitly distinguished (hence why every division commander shares the same authority rank, or why Katakuri is still a Sweet General with the rank of minister whose hypothetical captaincy isn't justified on being the first mate, and so on).
Zoro has never been addressed by Japanese official sources as the first mate. The two closest things are Bartolomeo calling him such with Oda adding a "(by me)", ergo he isn't really recognized as such; and the Vivre Card saying he sometimes acts like the first mate (if that's the proper translation, I can't check the original right now) while giving him the rank of combatant but that's it (unlike Beckman but like Roux, for comparison).
So, in summary, Oda has never officially named Zoro the first mate (stop using "vice captain", please, that doesn't exist in this context; that's for sports and such) and therefore I stick to that. When given the chance in Vivre Cards we received "combatant" as his role, and with Bartolomeo he felt like adding a "(by me)" to completely subjectify the fanboy's statement. Additionally, I don't see how an official rank of superior authority fits the crew apart from Luffy's captaincy since he's the one keeping them all together and he follows interdependent dynamics —but that's my personal appreciation and lecture of this work.
That's pretty much it.
My picture is that not every number two holds the official, hierarchical rank of first mate; which is a fact (Marco doesn't, Katakuri doesn't, King doesn't..., while both Rayleigh and Beckman are directly, explicitly given it) that doesn't contradict this color spread.
Again, I think the issue here is that you have no idea what I'm even defending. You can't even tell me what my position is because you've missed it from the start and you're just trying to get away from your own fallacies.
Just don't answer me again; that will be the best for you.
Tell me when Marco, Katakuri, King and Killer have been named first mates; and I mean first mates (副船長), not right hand man, not strongest subordinate, nothing like that but the official, hierarchical rank of first mate, which is explicitly distinguished (hence why every division commander shares the same authority rank, or why Katakuri is still a Sweet General with the rank of minister whose hypothetical captaincy isn't justified on being the first mate, and so on).
Zoro has never been addressed by Japanese official sources as the first mate. The two closest things are Bartolomeo calling him such with Oda adding a "(by me)", ergo he isn't really recognized as such; and the Vivre Card saying he sometimes acts like the first mate (if that's the proper translation, I can't check the original right now) while giving him the rank of combatant but that's it (unlike Beckman but like Roux, for comparison).
So, in summary, Oda has never officially named Zoro the first mate (stop using "vice captain", please, that doesn't exist in this context; that's for sports and such) and therefore I stick to that. When given the chance in Vivre Cards we received "combatant" as his role, and with Bartolomeo he felt like adding a "(by me)" to completely subjectify the fanboy's statement. Additionally, I don't see how an official rank of superior authority fits the crew apart from Luffy's captaincy since he's the one keeping them all together and he follows interdependent dynamics —but that's my personal appreciation and lecture of this work.
That's pretty much it.
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Why would I continue the debate, it's like talking to a wall. Number 2 paints a very clear and distinct picture and you refuse to see said picture and try and fail miserably at painting your own picture.
I will continue to post Stages of Risitas grief memes because it perfectly depicts your comments and how far away from reality they are
:cantseeme:
I will continue to post Stages of Risitas grief memes because it perfectly depicts your comments and how far away from reality they are
:cantseeme:
Again, I think the issue here is that you have no idea what I'm even defending. You can't even tell me what my position is because you've missed it from the start and you're just trying to get away from your own fallacies.
Just don't answer me again; that will be the best for you.
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Yes they have, and everyone sees them like that.
No one better than Whitebeard's 1st Division Commander to say that, or everyone in the Live Floor, including some Scabbards, seeing Zoro and Sanji fighting who they couldn't beat even 20 years ago and saying "We can't step in their fights"
Not to mention that everyone was cheering for Sangoro before Zoro got up on his feet to fight
No one better than Whitebeard's 1st Division Commander to say that, or everyone in the Live Floor, including some Scabbards, seeing Zoro and Sanji fighting who they couldn't beat even 20 years ago and saying "We can't step in their fights"
Not to mention that everyone was cheering for Sangoro before Zoro got up on his feet to fight
This isn't an order, he just did what was the most reasonable thing to do, which isn't dropping Toko and running away, Zoro was acting reckless and Sanji understood that, both of them do whatever they want to do and they back up each other when it's necessary, they don't follow each other orders but Luffy's, they don't even give orders to each other basicly. I don't think you got what "order" means
