Speculations What is King's secret power?

[Garps tekkai]

It's not the same attack though. Hardening only Zoro also does little to no damage to Kaido, even when not blocking.

Rooftop Tatsumaki was boosted by him letting Enma go lose and therefore releasing a shit ton of extra haki w/o the actual "arm crippling" drawback, means it had plenty more power without any negative exchange.
In case you missed it: He can use Enma w/o Haki, just with hardening on and also with that haki cloud around it, all three used willingfully by him, means he has full control over what he's doing there, that's why the before drawback is also gone in those situations.
So tell me, is he doing the latter (Haki cloud version) just for fun or what's up with that?
I've read through the spoiler thread. I know that some Zbois are now propagating it's not granting him any addtional power, which is obviously a very flawed claim -if you aren't one of them and just did not recognize the difference, then don't feel adressed.

Anyway more haki = more power, it's basically the concept of CoC coating.
Addtionally he's likely going to beat King in one of the next few chapters with that exact same haki release tech or something similiar. Afterall the ending scene of their clash this chapter, looks very much like some Enma related stuff is going to be the turning point now.

 

[Topi Jerami]

I never noticed that when he goes Hybrid, the fire is gone @Patryipe

If the whole "fire makes him invincible" is right instead of "God tier durability wing", that means, King has to switch: if he goes Hybrid his AP increases but no protection. If he goes base, his AP is not increased yet this base form is safer than Hybrid form. That's 1 of his weakness.

Second weakness is stamina. If he runs out of fire, or the fire is extinguished by some way, then no more durability protection. This paralels with other YC1s having stamina as their weakness, Marco's regen and Katakuri's FS.

I would prefer the God tier durability wing theory though, because it sounds more OP and not limited on stamina.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

I never noticed that when he goes Hybrid, the fire is gone @Patryipe

If the whole "fire makes him invincible" is right instead of "God tier durability wing", that means, King has to switch: if he goes Hybrid his AP increases but no protection. If he goes base, his AP is not increased yet this base form is safer than Hybrid form. That's 1 of his weakness.

Second weakness is stamina. If he runs out of fire, or the fire is extinguished by some way, then no more durability protection. This paralels with other YC1s having stamina as their weakness, Marco's regen and Katakuri's FS.

I would prefer the God tier durability wing theory though, because it sounds more OP and not limited on stamina.

Awakening is going be a mode where he has both, but with a timelimit, this will make it even harder for Zoro to beat him.
If people think that Zoro just need to figure out his race and weakeness, they are damn wrong, since similar like Luffy, Zoro will need a powerup and nothing is better then black blade and adv CoC. Luffy know Katakuri weakeness too, but he only won via getting a powerup, this is also the case with Zoro.

In case Katakuri future sight never run out, Zoro will go the same route as Luffy, a powerup is the only answer for a win for Zoro.

Since right now King is>Zoro...

 

[Patryipe]

I never noticed that when he goes Hybrid, the fire is gone @Patryipe

If the whole "fire makes him invincible" is right instead of "God tier durability wing", that means, King has to switch: if he goes Hybrid his AP increases but no protection. If he goes base, his AP is not increased yet this base form is safer than Hybrid form. That's 1 of his weakness.

Second weakness is stamina. If he runs out of fire, or the fire is extinguished by some way, then no more durability protection. This paralels with other YC1s having stamina as their weakness, Marco's regen and Katakuri's FS.

I would prefer the God tier durability wing theory though, because it sounds more OP and not limited on stamina.

Well, I suppose he has to have some kind of limit, otherwise he'd take over Kaido's role as captain.

I think he has his strong ancient zoan durability, and then he can add something else on top, but that's an ability that needs to be activated and consumes stamina, not something that is always there. Otherwise how could he lose blood from Oni giri and survive tatsumaki like that? He protected himself with his zoan wings, there is no reason for his zoan wings to be more durable than the rest of his zoan body. Imho he activated his ability during tatsumaki.

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Awakening is going be a mode where he has both, but with a timelimit, this will make it even harder for Zoro to beat him.
If people think that Zoro just need to figure out his race and weakeness, they are damn wrong, since similar like Luffy, Zoro will need a powerup and nothing is better then black blade and adv CoC. Luffy know Katakuri weakeness too, but he only won via getting a powerup, this is also the case with Zoro.

In case Katakuri future sight never run out, Zoro will go the same route as Luffy, a powerup is the only answer for a win for Zoro.

Since right now King is>Zoro...

I really hope it is not some stupid gimmick that leads to Zoro oneshoting him right after unlocking the mistery.

I am also wondering about his fire abilities. I wish for them to be more relevant in King's offensive arsenal, but maybe Oda doesn't want to go that far to protect the role of the Mera Mera user, who knows. Maybe he'll just tie the fire to his secret defense. But then it just looks like Marco.

I really want something original, come on Oda, put in the work.

 

[nik87]

Well, there are many things at play here. I'll try to list them all.
First off, King has the appearance of an angel, a fallen one because of black wings. It is probably a parallel to Lucifer the fallen angel who once was in heaven, the god's land, while King was once on top of the Red Line, where the god's land was.
Lucifer now rules in the fiery lands of Hell while King spreads the Wildfire in Wano which, under Kaido's rule, looks like hell. Also, take note that Onigashima itself is transforming into a hell on earth, flame is spreading and consuming everything.

Next up, Zoro lists several things such as Lunarian wings, Lunarian flames, blood of a fishman/giant/unknow race.
Zoro says that he doesnt think he can win if he doesnt know what King is which is the weirdest part of that monologue.
The blood of a race probably refers to King being so physically strong as both races listed are known to be physically superior to humans.

What would the knowledge of King's race offer to Zoro? Probably nothing and Oda is just using Zoro's monologue as opening to spill out the lore about King's background. Unless, King's race has to do with Zoro's breath of all things and he has to hear the breath of his race before he can effectively cut him but that's quite a stretch from my side.

In the end, the key to King's toughness are probably his wings and his fire ability. One thing that people didnt notice is that the Tatsumaki which has cut Kaido did so through direct slash while passive slashes didnt scratch him. In King's case, there was no direct slash since he was too high in the air for Zoro to reach him directly like he did with Kaido and passive slashes didnt scratch him just like they didnt scratch Kaido.

However, King confirms that his toughness is on another level compared to Kaido's regardless.
It could be that he is shrugging off damage well, even when cut by Oni Giri, because there is some kind of absorption or negation like in Marco's case where he simply negates it as long as there is a certain pool that damage needs to exceed for King to seriously be affected.

The solution here is unlikely to be Zoro just powering up and hitting King with stronger attacks.
It is more likely to be exceeding the limit of King's damage absorbing powers by hitting him long enough which would explain how Kaido is stronger than King, because he can outlast him as otherwise King simply looks better than Kaido.

Another thing, aside from his Lunarian abilities, he is the toughest Ancient Zoan in the world on top of everything.
I expect the return of Zoro's Yasha Garasu to inflict a significant amount of damage to King since, unlike Tatasumaki, it is countless slashes through direct sword contact.

zoro just cant cut him

He can and he already did with Oni Giri.

Since right now King is>Zoro...

Jumping too fast to wrong conclusions... Is Pica>Zoro because Zoro didnt know how his golem works in the beggining?

 

[Zowo]

He can and he already did with Oni Giri.

he didnt cut king when king used his wings and his lunarian secret ability
he cut king when he was off guard

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

Jumping too fast to wrong conclusions... Is Pica>Zoro because Zoro didnt know how his golem works in the beggining?

Bro two different fight situation.
Pica was a fodder for Zoro, not even take him seriously.
Zoro never was struggle or get pushed back by Pica, he was never a match.
Here we have full battle with King throwing Zoro right and left, hurting and damging him, thought Zoro using haki!!
When Zoro use haki against Pica, the fight was pretty fast ended.
It is not a shame to have King above Zoro after all the insane feats which he show.
Im pretty sure Zoro going to win via a powerup.

 

[nik87]

he didnt cut king when king used his wings and his lunarian secret ability
he cut king when he was off guard

That was only the case in Tatsumaki which cuts through passive air slashes.
Direct sword slash has successfully cut him in base form and there are no pteranodon wings to shield him in that form and even if he had them, Zoro would cut them.

 

[Zowo]

That was only the case in Tatsumaki which cuts through passive air slashes.
Direct sword slash has successfully cut him in base form and there are no pteranodon wings to shield him in that form and even if he had them, Zoro would cut them.

copium from Lik

 

[Patryipe]

I never noticed that when he goes Hybrid, the fire is gone @Patryipe

Isn't it weird though that it is there as well when he is in full zoan though? It is only missing in hybrid. Seems a bit weird to be a simple design choice. We shall see.

 

[nik87]

Bro two different fight situation.
Pica was a fodder for Zoro, not even take him seriously.
Zoro never was struggle or get pushed back by Pica, he was never a match.
Here we have full battle with King throwing Zoro right and left, hurting and damging him, thought Zoro using haki!!
When Zoro use haki against Pica, the fight was pretty fast ended.
It is not a shame to have King above Zoro after all the insane feats which he show.
Im pretty sure Zoro going to win via a powerup.

You are instantly lifting King above Zoro just because he is having an upper hand after one attack...
You cant be doing that otherwise you will be jumping left and right every chapter as the upper hand changes...
Kaku was throwing Zoro left and right too, hurting him and damaging him in the same way King does, this is nothing new.
Kaku was never stronger than Zoro and neither is King...
Also, Zoro used plenty of hakified moves against Pica, until he figured out how his ability works it was useless and Pica wasnt above Zoro before Zoro figured out how his ability works just like King isnt above Zoro until Zoro figures out how King's ability works either...

copium from Lik

But of course.

 

[Ask D question]

It's confusing ngl

It can't be from the lunarian side because we already saw king get damaged in base form


Maybe king is just naturally that strong thanks to his haki and hard work

Queen compared pre power up sanji to lunarians because of his flammes, so we know that durability isn't a lunarian trait


And the theory about king's flamme being the source of his power is also contradicted by the fact that he is more durable when he doesn't have that flamme

 

[Finalbeta]

I think Zoro comparing King to giant blood is very significative. I don't think giants are all powerful according to him and he knows, but it should probably be taken in a metaphoric way.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

Flame regeneration on top of his great zoan qualities.

Like as long as there's oxygen in the area he can regenerate .

 

[Lor D. Coast]

The moment Zoro failed to cut King's wings is when you know that this fight won't end without Zoro cutting through them, it's Mr 1 all over again and he's hearing the shamisen in his head even though Hiyori is on the 2nd floor on the other side of the island, it's BOAT again.

 

[Finalbeta]

The moment Zoro failed to cut King's wings is when you know that this fight won't end without Zoro cutting through them, it's Mr 1 all over again and he's hearing the shamisen in his head even though Hiyori is on the 2nd floor on the other side of the island, it's BOAT again.

Zoro is definitely the perfect character to properly understand Enma's emotions, that will probably help him tame the sword for good and perhaps get even stronger thanks to that.

 

[Mr.9000]

Im thinking King flame has healing properties like Marco or something that enhances all of his physical attributes.

 

[Salah WG]

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Zoro said "I need to figure out his Race" and didn't say "I need to get Stronger"
This indicates that King's Durability is related to his Secret Race Power & not his Raw Toughness like Kaidou, Big Mom or Queen

Zoro also questioned Purpose of King's Natural Wings, cuz not only he doesn't seem to use them, but it's interesting that Oda chose to give a Flying DF to someone who already have Wings. He also questioned the Fire on his Back, it should be noted that it doesn't disappear even in Full Zoan Form & why it's only near his Wings? & not somewhere else on his Body

Another thing to mention is that King's Race is similar to Fishmen & Minks, it's like they complete each other
Fishmen are Sea Race & they Control Water, Minks are Land Race & they Control Electro & King's Race are Sky Race & they Control Fire
So i concluded that just like Fishmen Water Ability extend to Fishmen Karate & Minks Sulong Ability extend to Sulong Form which are both Techniques that effect Bodies, it should be expected that King's Race have a Similar Bodily Ability related to Fire

This tells us that King's Secret Ability is related to his Race + Fire on his Back + Natural Wings + Bodily Control

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I believe the Answer is simple, King is just like Katakuri
Katakuri at first was mistaken for someone who can Tank even Haki Attacks but it turns out he was ignoring them using Future Sight
King is similar case, he isn't Tankier than Kaido, but his Ability allows him to ignore Damage, similar to Marco who conveniently is also related to Fire & Wings/Bird

I think when King takes Damage, the Feathers can absorb that damage & it results in them burning & fading away
It's like every time King takes Damage, he can lose some of his Feathers to ignore it
This is why there is always a Fire near his Wings & on his Back, cuz it represents his Life Force or more like how much of this Ability he have Left

So basically King's Race are defined by their Bodies covered entirely in Feathers just like Minks are defined by their Fur that emits Electro & increase in Volume when they turn Sulong Form. Those Feathers are the source of their Fire & it has the Ability to burn away to take away Damage. This is why King's Race were killed, whoever annihilated them (WG most probably) wanted to have their Feathers. But King was only one who escaped/survived but he still lost almost all Feathers in his Body, leaving only his Wings.

This is why King is so ashamed & traumatized that he decided to cover his entire Body & not let anyone see his Naked Skin, cuz it indicates the Humiliation of his Race & himself as a Proud Feathered Lunarian. This also explains why he love to torture others & fights in any fighting style, cuz of his Dark Past.

So for Zoro to defeat him, he must first cut his Feathered Wings, which will extinguish his Flame & Defense, & then Zoro can use his Top Attacks to knock him out

 

[Lightbolt]

King himself says he is on a different level than a dragon. King is in secret the real captain of the crew

Do you realize that King had to block but Kaido never cared to block once and kept playing with his food. Yes Cutting the scale of Kaido is amazing feat but he didn't even care to block nor tatsumaki nor Asura‚ unlike King

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Do you realize that King had to block but Kaido never cared to block once and kept playing with his food. Yes Cutting the scale of Kaido is amazing feat but he didn't even care to block nor tatsumaki nor Asura‚ unlike King

Read what Zoro says they have bern fighting offscreen. He literally says he has cut him many times and no blood.