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How much did King surpass your expectations?

  • Not at all, performs as expected

  • Slightly exceeded my expectations

  • Surpassed my wildest imaginations


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#61
I always thought that the whole reason Zoro was even being matched up against King despite the obvious need for a 1v1 was for King to facilitate Zoro leveling up, so the fact that King is performing the way he has been was well within my expectations. Plus it makes sense that an aerial/flight based fighter would give problems in addition to his strange ability that’s gotta be figured out. It might as well end in one hit once that’s figured out.
 
#63
Facts. Which is why I never understood why a Zoro fan who is starving for a proper fight since the timeskip, would detest the thought of Zoro vs King. Like it was sacrilegious to mention it.

Why would a Zoro fan not want a full blown Zoro fight? Talk about being deep into the shithole of forum dickmeasuring.

It took some people this long to be driven into a corner, to finally accept a fight that any fan should be starving for. Sad but atleast we're here now.
Zoro should get a proper fucking battle: A swords duel. You know why he's not getting it? Because King isn't at that level. This is just circle jerking around with King flying around 90% of the time as predicted since Zoro can't fly.

This is literally Pica 2.0. Once Zoro figures the "trick" it will be a one-shot. Pica's AP in stone form >>> King's AP. He could crush Zoro if he was beneath him. But Oda already wasted his time with random nonsense in DR, so he cut it short.
 
#64
This is literally Pica 2.0.
Do you really believe this nonsense? When did Pica overpower Zoro in multiple occasions, kept up with his attacks and was generally viewed very strong by Zoro?

Zoro has to overcome King's ability to deal significant damage, then we can talk if he one shots. Also, what matters if King's ability is the reason for his durability? Are you gonna take Katakuri's FS away for estimating his powerlevel?

Pica's AP in stone form >>> King's AP.
You're talking bullshit.

A weaker Zoro managed to bisect Pica's arm with nameless hakified slashes while King effortlessly clashed with Zoro's hardening swords a few times AND actually overpowered him during the clash. Why do you have to invent fake narratives to push your "He's Pica 2.0" agenda? No, the moment Zoro viewed him as a strong fighter, the Pica 2.0 argument was gone for.
 
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#65
We all knew this was coming the moment Oda started spilling the beans on the most mysterious character in the whole of Wano!

We all thought Kaido was the most special character among beast pirates and it turns out that his mere underling is stealing the show despite Oda keeping it all under wraps until just several chapters ago... This mere commander ended up the only remaining member of a race that was considered gods in the distant past, long before the 20 Kings took over the world and drove out Lunarians out of their god's land atop of the Red Wall...

The mystery is still far from revealed and King's background plays a much bigger role than that of Kaido who is an Oni, a parallel to the baddie from Momotaro story and whose all the abilities are given through the devil fruit that Big Mom has gifted to him 38 years ago while King's abilities come from his Lunarian race. King is also the last Beast Pirates member whose hybrid form was revealed, Oda has kept that one hidden for the longest. All abilities surrounding Kaido are revealed while King is still a mystery.

The more time passes the more spotlight King steals from the captain of the Beast Pirates. Many among the fandom have wondered why the rooftop happened first and vs King happened afterwards - now it is all clear, because now King cannot be underestimated and downplayed after we have seen Zoro's performance on the rooftop. The bar is raised very high and King is delivering good, too good to the point that even Kaido fans are feeling uneasy and threatened by King's performance. That's how you quickly build up a powerful villain, by making him keep up with the guy that the Emperors cant keep up with. The rooftop was King's hype tool.

The anxiety is not unjustified because Kaido is a tough sitting duck while King is also tough without being a sitting duck and instead is delivering on all fronts. Both of them are the toughest creatures in the world and King just confirmed that his toughness is on another level.

He didnt need to confirm it because we already all saw that he handles Zoro's damage better than Kaido but it doesnt hurt spelling it out, to kill all the doubts. Once again, there are 3 confirmations that King's toughness eclipses even that of Kaido - King's own words, feats of shrugging off Zoro's hits and the foreshadowing all the way back from Punk Hazard.


When it comes to the comparison between a mere underling and a captain, this is not the first time that the underling looks better than the captain. Zoro broke that ice a long time ago and reinforced it again during the rooftop battle between the new generation and the old generation. I know that the fandom power scales with a blindfold and Muh captain>mere underling but we need to examine the difference between every captain and his right hand because the gap may not exist at all. Just because Meme addresses Katakuri with "lowly son of mine" it doesnt mean that Zoro cant clap Luffy or that King isnt comparable to Kaido because he definitely is...

The toughness is definitely the biggest shock considering that Kaido is called the toughest in the world:
Close combat attack frequency:
Kaido has something similar vs Yamato while they are using 1 weapon each. King is better since he is keeping up with 3 swords.
Ranged combat attack frequency:
Something similar to Kizaru's attack Yasakani no Magatama...
Attack traveling speed, basically instant and unblockable, with decent destructive capability:
Reflexes and dodging instantaneous attacks like Zoro's flying slashes:
Incredible physical strength that Zoro compares to two races which are known to be physically more powerful than humans:
Even more overwhelming physical strength gained through his speed flight paired with a slap of the giant wing in hybrid:
Close combat style complexity having to deal with kicks as well as sword and there is a possibility that he may include wings as well in future:
Kaido vs Tatsumaki:
King vs Tatsumaki:
Kaido's flying slashes vs Zoro:
King's flying slashes vs Zoro:

The list goes on and will continue to go on but you catch my drift, you have to try really hard to find a thing that Kaido is better at than King. What is going on?!
Is a mere underling supposed to look good? Is this the first time an underling looks good or they always looked good but were shrugged off as insignificant by people who cant power scale and because they fought Zoro?

An underling has never been limited by the captain's strength but in King's case, his captain is the strongest in the world... My question is how does a guy who is worse than King at almost every stat out there still remain stronger than King? Are endurance and stamina the key to Kaido's victory over King?

I guess it came true what I was saying the whole time - Zoro's opponents are incredible fighters, better fighters than people that Luffy faces.
Not just better but whole another level better:

The funny part is that this time they are not just stealing the combat spotlight but also the lore and significance in the world of One Piece...
As someone else said, Luffy's greatest chess move is recruiting Zoro into his crew and it seems Kaido plays chess just as well considering King's performance.

I cracked the ice with the difference between YCs and top tiers not being anywhere close to what people have imagined it to be and now it seems that King and Zoro have proven that there is no difference whatsoever. Is it a coincidence that Beckman is comparable to Shanks? Is it a coincidence that Blackbeard plays chess well too and recruits a man more dangerous than the man who ended entire Blackbeard pirates in an instant?

It is very odd that World's Strongest Creature isnt the one who gives the best performance against a power-seeking character like Zoro but instead his mere underling...
What are your thoughts on this?


Surprise my wildest, because from the start Oda seriously hold back King like crazy. From dialogue "..." to his feats. And then boom, Oda give King all the benefits when fighting Zoro. Conclusion, Oda is a jerk lmao 🤣
 
#66
I didnt know Zoro fans were this sensitive to facts. Arent you one of those who spends their days trashing Sanji? Toughen up mate.

This is what years of Oda coddling Zoro does to his fanbase.
Just pointing his double standards he didn't say anything that wasn't already since this chapter came out lol
I was the only one who reacted to Zenzu comment there don't drag in other Zoro fans
 
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#67
King durability is higher than kadio as we see zoro made kadio bleed many times.
Zoro say he can’t make king bleed with his attacks in forced 1vs1. Marco did make king bleed with knee attack when king is focused on Marco.

King seem very tough enemy for zoro to face.

If feats say king > kadio, it mess up virve information that king is supposed to be second strongest beside kadio. Kadio is stated to be strongest creature but kadio bleed more than any top tiers in one piece series.
‘Meanwhile king bleed from Marco knee attack and zoro sneak attack. That it.
 
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Dragomir

#68
I'll be the first to admit that I've been clowning King in pretty much all my posts regarding him so far in Wano. That was obviously mostly in jest since I'm a Kata fan. Oda finally decided to give him the spotlight and the dude showed out. He was absolutely impressive. Probably the greatest thing is that he did it against Zoro of all characters. Zoro, the guy who looked good in damn near all the clashes he had so far–including top-tiers–got outclassed in all areas. Zoro confidently stated that he was gonna cut Kaido down but has now said he can't beat King(under the condition of no knowledge). That's some serious hype and King looks beastly.

This fight is seemingly leaning towards the Luffy vs Kata direction with the YC1s utterly destroying their opponent. I'm hoping the beatdown doesn't drag cause up until Snakeman, L vs K was just dreadful to read. But so far, I'm liking what I'm seeing from King and his savagery is dope.
 
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#69
Do you really believe this nonsense? When did Pica overpower Zoro in multiple occasions, kept up with his attacks and was generally viewed very strong by Zoro?

Zoro has to overcome King's ability to deal significant damage, then we can talk if he one shots. Also, what matters if King's ability is the reason for his durability? Are you gonna take Katakuri's FS away for estimating his powerlevel?
If it isn’t Pica 2.0 then King is stronger than the Flamingo.
Sanjikun Logic 101 :jordanmf:
 
#71
How long do we have to pray and ask forgiveness at the Altar of Zoro Haters, so that they can get over that tired excuse about sleeping on King:rolaugh:

Guess they knew all along that King has better durability than Kaido. Newsflash, a lot of Zoro fans were already hyped for King, what I remember people saying, is that King needs to show what he is made of, because of what Rooftop Zoro accomplished.

Isn't that what the whole community does anyways, scale Characters up or down, based on new character feats, oh but it's Zoro fans so let's crucify them for it, y'all so tired and miserable:pepeke:
 
#72
Do you really believe this nonsense? When did Pica overpower Zoro in multiple occasions, kept up with his attacks and was generally viewed very strong by Zoro?

Zoro has to overcome King's ability to deal significant damage, then we can talk if he one shots. Also, what matters if King's ability is the reason for his durability? Are you gonna take Katakuri's FS away for estimating his powerlevel?



You're talking bullshit.

A weaker Zoro managed to bisect Pica's arm with nameless hakified slashes while King effortlessly clashed with Zoro's hardening swords a few times AND actually overpowered him during the clash. Why do you have to invent fake narratives to push your "He's Pica 2.0" agenda? No, the moment Zoro viewed him as a strong fighter, the Pica 2.0 argument was gone for.
Do you know what AP is?



You're talking about King pushing Zoro through walls. Pica could destroy an entire Plateau in 1 punch.
 
#74
:crazwhat:Man....

Imma be honest, not one soul on the internet has been able to hype up Doffy and his crew like you do. You deserve all the credit in the world man.
He could crush a town in 1 punch.





Usopp stated "His fist is the size of a town. A town is going to punch us!"
 
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#75
Do you know what AP is?
Attack potency.
Zoro's nameless hakified slashes managed to bisect the same entire arm which was about to destroy the plateau.

It's actually funny that you truly believe Pica's AP is far stronger than King's. His beak missile destroyed a few mountains when crashing. Those mountains dwarf the numbers (as much tall as Oars) significantly.

You're talking about King pushing Zoro through walls.
No.
I'm talking about King matching and overpowering Zoro's mountain level slashes with his own. And he didn't push Zoro through walls this chapter, he launched him through a mountain which collapsed upon Zoro.
 
#76
Attack potency.
Zoro's nameless hakified slashes managed to bisect the same entire arm which was about to destroy the plateau.

It's actually funny that you truly believe Pica's AP is far stronger than King's. His beak missile destroyed a few mountains when crashing. Those mountains dwarf the numbers (as much tall as Oars) significantly.



No.
I'm talking about King matching and overpowering Zoro's mountain level slashes with his own. And he didn't push Zoro through walls this chapter, he launched him through a mountain which collapsed upon Zoro.
Zoro "disecting" his arm is just him cutting bricks. It's not matching AP. Zoro has more lethality, but Pica's stone assimilation form clearly has much raw physical power behind it.

Breaking Pica's stone =/= Getting his AP.

Zoro's mountain level slashes with his own.
Zoro has 0 mountain level moves. Sanzen Sekai is his largest AoE and it's a few football fields at the most.
 
#77
Zoro "disecting" his arm is just him cutting bricks.
You fail to realise that Zoro literally cut through millions of tons of bricks to bisect the arm. It's a part of Pica's mountain sized golem. His arms are extraordinary large.

It's not matching AP.
Zoro bisecting the golem IS an AP feat though.

Zoro has more lethality, but Pica's stone assimilation form clearly has much raw physical power behind it.
So has lethality managed to launch Pica's torso a few hundred meters into the air?

Breaking Pica's stone =/= Getting his AP.
It's actually above his AP. If Pica's golem tried to punch Zoro instead, he'd have cut through the arm regardless. Hell, even Chinjao's and Elizabello's attack managed to destroy Pica's arm when he was about to attack them.
 
#79
You fail to realise that Zoro literally cut through millions of tons of bricks to bisect the arm. It's a part of Pica's mountain sized golem. His arms are extraordinary large.



Zoro bisecting the golem IS an AP feat though.



So has lethality managed to launch Pica's torso a few hundred meters into the air?



It's actually above his AP. If Pica's golem tried to punch Zoro instead, he'd have cut through the arm regardless. Hell, even Chinjao's and Elizabello's attack managed to destroy Pica's arm when he was about to attack them.
How hard is this for you to grasp? Pica's arms don't have Haki. You don't need to match its AP to break it. It's just bricks.

AP = Destructive Capability. It's like saying Aokiji has more AP than WB because he froze his waves.
 
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