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The fight hasn't even ended we've only seen the good side of King not any weaknesses and you're crowning him already. Not a single YC1 isn't well rounded. Marco is nearly identical to King with regen in place of durability. Kat has literally everything in his arsenal ontop of having FS.
Sure King might need to be a bit more well rounded (if even that) because their overall defensive prowess is broken even for top tiers to deal with. We'll have to wait and see how this fight ends. If it ends swiftly I can tell you Zoro more than likely wouldn't be able to replicate that against Marco and Kat.
If you're saying King's offense is looking more impressive because in such a short time he's putting Zoro in the state that he's in, well why would that matter if King goes down much faster than Marco or Kat would? The end result would be the same in that Kat and Marco can bring Zoro to the same state and give him the same overall difficulty if not more.
Let the fight finish.
Sure King might need to be a bit more well rounded (if even that) because their overall defensive prowess is broken even for top tiers to deal with. We'll have to wait and see how this fight ends. If it ends swiftly I can tell you Zoro more than likely wouldn't be able to replicate that against Marco and Kat.
If you're saying King's offense is looking more impressive because in such a short time he's putting Zoro in the state that he's in, well why would that matter if King goes down much faster than Marco or Kat would? The end result would be the same in that Kat and Marco can bring Zoro to the same state and give him the same overall difficulty if not more.
Let the fight finish.
Even Hawkins could shoot seastone to law(law using room to get him and Luffy get out from kaido)yes law room is easily a slow ass than zoro speed.his reaction is so slow that zoro need to hold hakai for 8+ second and order these weakling to get away and law still didn't use his shambles.yes law is so slow.zoro easily block and tank it for 10+ second.10+second zoro took it and law slow ass finally shambles them away.law fans is delusional to think that law is fast when the truth even Hawkins could shoot law(in law room).lawfans turn to clown.big L for law and lawtards
Hawkins shoot seastone nail to law in room.lawtards say law room is fast.huh???
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Hawkins shoot seastone nail to law in room.lawtards say law room is fast.huh???
You're right! It's too soon to decide anything. I've yet to assign a fixed level for King actually. But we can still compare what we know about King with that of his fellow commanders, can't we? And whether or not I am juping the gun, I am at least not assigning him fixated predetermined level regardless of how good his feats are, and pretending that everything he or his opponent does falls beneath that preset level. I think my approach is more reasonable than what most others are doing to say the least.
I agree the commanders aren't perfectly well rounded—that's why they aren't top-tiers. Top-tiers come with a complete package; being an all-rounder is what seperates your average top-tier from one-trick ponies like Marco and Kuri. While King isn't nearly as good as the actual top-tiers, he's certainly looking decently better than his peers in that regard— and that is on top of being nearly as special as them. I've already said that my intention isn't to say Marco and Kuri are weak without their special traits but they pale in comparsion to King.
I also agree there are areas where people like Marco shine so much that King can't even be compete. But I'd say you can be much more competent as a fighter by excelling in multiple areas that matter. I don't think the length of a fight doesn't determine a fighters competence. Dressrossa Pica, for example, would take twice as long to be beaten by Zoro as Vergo, but Vergo would pressure him much more. I am not necessarily trying to say struggling to hit/hurt your opponent doesn't count as difficulty; but I am sure you understand what I am trying to imply by saying, "Vergo pressures him more Pica."
Also, if Zoro ends up one-shotting King; it just means Zoro is that overpowered. It doesn't say anything about how King compares to Marco and others; the same way base Kaido one-shoting Luffy doesn't prove Kuri Luffy is weaker than Katakuri, who wouldn't have let himself get hit. Zoro may not be able to beat Marco or Katakuri as quickly as King but that warrant a fight of higher difficulty from them, unless you wanna equate the length of the fight with the difficulty level.
I agree the commanders aren't perfectly well rounded—that's why they aren't top-tiers. Top-tiers come with a complete package; being an all-rounder is what seperates your average top-tier from one-trick ponies like Marco and Kuri. While King isn't nearly as good as the actual top-tiers, he's certainly looking decently better than his peers in that regard— and that is on top of being nearly as special as them. I've already said that my intention isn't to say Marco and Kuri are weak without their special traits but they pale in comparsion to King.
I also agree there are areas where people like Marco shine so much that King can't even be compete. But I'd say you can be much more competent as a fighter by excelling in multiple areas that matter. I don't think the length of a fight doesn't determine a fighters competence. Dressrossa Pica, for example, would take twice as long to be beaten by Zoro as Vergo, but Vergo would pressure him much more. I am not necessarily trying to say struggling to hit/hurt your opponent doesn't count as difficulty; but I am sure you understand what I am trying to imply by saying, "Vergo pressures him more Pica."
Also, if Zoro ends up one-shotting King; it just means Zoro is that overpowered. It doesn't say anything about how King compares to Marco and others; the same way base Kaido one-shoting Luffy doesn't prove Kuri Luffy is weaker than Katakuri, who wouldn't have let himself get hit. Zoro may not be able to beat Marco or Katakuri as quickly as King but that warrant a fight of higher difficulty from them, unless you wanna equate the length of the fight with the difficulty level.
I'm saying they are very much capable of bringing Zoro to the state King has through their own means. If you're arguing King does it faster that's one thing but the end result seems to be the same.
Marco's not just gonna be a punching bag, Katakuri isn't only gonna be using FS defensively. You make it sound like they're gonna have a staring contest with Zoro. They'll have even more openings than King does against Zoro given their abilities.
I'm not capping King off to a predetermined level, I'm celebrating the fact that King's feats have finally caught up to his stature. He can still prove to climb higher, but what I'm not gonna sit here and do is undermine the feats of prior characters for the new shiny toy, that's just recency bias to me.
King doesn't have the portrayal nor the feats to seperate himself from the other two, not yet atleast. Oda is finally showing us why King is Kaidou's right hand, his feats are simply catching up or have caught up. There's nothing wrong with people celebrating him as a right hand, a lot of people expected this hence the initial disappointment when King wasn't getting this treatment.
Arguing King's stronger isn't the problem, trying to seperate himself from the pack prematurely is.
Marco's not just gonna be a punching bag, Katakuri isn't only gonna be using FS defensively. You make it sound like they're gonna have a staring contest with Zoro. They'll have even more openings than King does against Zoro given their abilities.
I'm not capping King off to a predetermined level, I'm celebrating the fact that King's feats have finally caught up to his stature. He can still prove to climb higher, but what I'm not gonna sit here and do is undermine the feats of prior characters for the new shiny toy, that's just recency bias to me.
King doesn't have the portrayal nor the feats to seperate himself from the other two, not yet atleast. Oda is finally showing us why King is Kaidou's right hand, his feats are simply catching up or have caught up. There's nothing wrong with people celebrating him as a right hand, a lot of people expected this hence the initial disappointment when King wasn't getting this treatment.
Arguing King's stronger isn't the problem, trying to seperate himself from the pack prematurely is.
Well, Oda said that not only is King competing with Kaido, he is beating him in Kaido's best stat.
And other stats as well. I always said that Zoro fights the most capable people in the world.
And other stats as well. I always said that Zoro fights the most capable people in the world.
King is just another propaganda in the grand scheme of the zoro activists, you might get a lot of support from your fellow blind believers but reality is different.
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The same applies to both Marco and Kata. Marco sent Kizaru and Aokiji flying with a kick and kept up with Akainu in CQC. He clashed equally with Big mom, 1v2'ed King and Queen, and even choked them both. None of these feats have to do with his regen.
Kata outclassed G4 Luffy using power mochi, kept up with snakeman's speed with absolutely no issue and arguably looked better in that entire CQC engagement. King hasn't displayed any speed nor CQC feat better than they have. He hasn't displayed any better haki feat either. They all displayed virtually the same feats: great speed and great CQC. King isn't more well-rounded than either of them.
Kata outclassed G4 Luffy using power mochi, kept up with snakeman's speed with absolutely no issue and arguably looked better in that entire CQC engagement. King hasn't displayed any speed nor CQC feat better than they have. He hasn't displayed any better haki feat either. They all displayed virtually the same feats: great speed and great CQC. King isn't more well-rounded than either of them.
I believe even weaklings can do a thing or two against even the most powerful characters. Commanders are built different and are highlighted as some of the mightest in the world. So there is noway I'd think Marco's just going to be punching bag to Zoro or any character for that matter. I do think he's not resourceful enough to pressure Zoro as much as King even in a lengthy battle though. More or less than same goes to Katakuri; although I think he can pressure Zoro more than Marco specifically because of Fire-Fox style and COA effectiveness on his regeneration.
P.S. about capping King at YC1 level, I was talking in general so don't take it personally.
Katakuri's CQC skills are definitely great but he isn't nearly as good a fighter outside FS. Boundman utterly destroyed him as soon as he lost FS; it wasn't even a contest. The problem with Katakuri is that he doesn't have enough raw power and AP to complement his CQC skills, which is where King bests him.
I don't think sending admirals flying makes Marco well versed in battle. Zoro too pressured Fujitora back with a one-handed slash that had to travel agaisnt his gravity. Marco never kept up with Akainu in CQC either. He blocked one punch from him, and it would've ended terribly for him if it weren't for regeneration. He did kick Akainu along with Vista but that did nothing to him.
If it is speed that you're talking about, then I agree Marco's speed is top rated, but remember that base King kept up with hybrid Marco. Big Mom's clash was definitely impressive but he's not lasting 1 minute agaisnt King and Queen without regeneration.
P.S. about capping King at YC1 level, I was talking in general so don't take it personally.
Katakuri's CQC skills are definitely great but he isn't nearly as good a fighter outside FS. Boundman utterly destroyed him as soon as he lost FS; it wasn't even a contest. The problem with Katakuri is that he doesn't have enough raw power and AP to complement his CQC skills, which is where King bests him.
I don't think sending admirals flying makes Marco well versed in battle. Zoro too pressured Fujitora back with a one-handed slash that had to travel agaisnt his gravity. Marco never kept up with Akainu in CQC either. He blocked one punch from him, and it would've ended terribly for him if it weren't for regeneration. He did kick Akainu along with Vista but that did nothing to him.
If it is speed that you're talking about, then I agree Marco's speed is top rated, but remember that base King kept up with hybrid Marco. Big Mom's clash was definitely impressive but he's not lasting 1 minute agaisnt King and Queen without regeneration.
How do you explain Zoro landing better damage to Kaido with his Tatsumaki? 🤔 I mean it's possible that Hybrid Kaido's durability is superior to Dragon Kaido's but at the the evidence firmly shows that King can get better durability than that one Kaido version via wing protection eventually, unless Zoro's stamina was nerfed enough but I quite doubt to such an extent despite I love Zoro.
King can defeat an admiral. What are you talking about?
Secondly, Kaido brought King with him too MF solo. The place filled with admirals.
Thirdly, Kaido and King had skirmish with red hairs. Which mean King fought Benn and Kaido fought Shanks most likely. King fought Benn who is literally comparable to Shanks.
Secondly, Kaido brought King with him too MF solo. The place filled with admirals.
Thirdly, Kaido and King had skirmish with red hairs. Which mean King fought Benn and Kaido fought Shanks most likely. King fought Benn who is literally comparable to Shanks.
