Chapter Discussion Beyond dragons and dinos
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Hard to say but I would bet on Oni Giri because there is no secondary effect from it while Tatsumaki's secondary effect is the point of that attack. Oni Giri focuses on direct slash and complexity of the attack - pizza 6 way. Tatsumaki has direct slash which is rarely the point of that attack since the focus is on the countless air slashes that it creates and causes a large AoE.
Where you ask want more dmg from direct hit or more AoE you choose one of the another, different purpose.
Where you ask want more dmg from direct hit or more AoE you choose one of the another, different purpose.
Cope.
Luffy was in a league of his own on the rooftop. Kid and Law were YC1 + Level especially now we know they had Awakening in their backpocket.
Zoro is a little bit less stronger than them and then Killer is a little weaker than Zoro.
Zoro never tanked Hakai he got hit blocked it for a few seconds and got teleported to safety and the after effects were his body was mangled. I'd argue anyone on the rooftop could have done that maybe except Killer and they'd have come out with the same injuries.
Funny how Yonko's aren't as strong as they've been made out to be when it's clear Zoro isn't going back to fight Kaido isn't it now it's King is close to Yonko level because Zoro is fighting him.
Kaido low diffs King. Individually he was low diffing everyone on the roof 1 v 1 until Luffy got AdvCoC putting Luffy on yet another level where he'd probably mid diff King.
Luffy was in a league of his own on the rooftop. Kid and Law were YC1 + Level especially now we know they had Awakening in their backpocket.
Zoro is a little bit less stronger than them and then Killer is a little weaker than Zoro.
Zoro never tanked Hakai he got hit blocked it for a few seconds and got teleported to safety and the after effects were his body was mangled. I'd argue anyone on the rooftop could have done that maybe except Killer and they'd have come out with the same injuries.
Funny how Yonko's aren't as strong as they've been made out to be when it's clear Zoro isn't going back to fight Kaido isn't it now it's King is close to Yonko level because Zoro is fighting him.
Kaido low diffs King. Individually he was low diffing everyone on the roof 1 v 1 until Luffy got AdvCoC putting Luffy on yet another level where he'd probably mid diff King.
YC1+ level that came off getting stalemated by Hawkins and Apoo hehehe.
The little man screaming and fighting for his life against wind blades and a tatsumaki was beyond YC on the rooftop and now is what, a top tier?
Beyond YC characters that can't even clash one single time with a top tier and have been running this whole raid while Marco who people say is not a top tier was clashing with BM and had her run from him.
And then you have Luffytards like this gentleman here saying that Zoro isn't stronger than bums that are completely helpless against one of his mid tier techniques. They became immune to it in the time it took them to get off of the rooftop.
The little man screaming and fighting for his life against wind blades and a tatsumaki was beyond YC on the rooftop and now is what, a top tier?
Beyond YC characters that can't even clash one single time with a top tier and have been running this whole raid while Marco who people say is not a top tier was clashing with BM and had her run from him.
And then you have Luffytards like this gentleman here saying that Zoro isn't stronger than bums that are completely helpless against one of his mid tier techniques. They became immune to it in the time it took them to get off of the rooftop.
Luffy on the rooftop was YC1. He surpassed that level in chapter 1010.
Law and Kid are YC2. With awakening they are the weakest YC1. Currently they are losing to any YC1/FM.
Killer is on Jack/Cracker level.
I'm basing their levels on their feats, hype and portrayal.
It doesn't matter what you call it. Zoro survived a combo attack from 2 SN that was designed to kill 6 SN. Zoro was still able to fight afterwards even though he had 20 to 30 bones. If anybody real life had that many broken bones they want to be able to run around and fight.
Yes, I do believe King could survive all of that. Even though I believe post chapter 1010 Luffy is stronger than King, Luffy would still have a difficult time fighting him because if his powers and abilities. The manga is telling us King is harder to damage than Kaido because of his durable body and unique power. If you don't understand the secret to his power you can't hurt him.
Zoro blocked and tank hakai. The manga shows and tells us that. Claiming anything else is headcannon.
No, Law didn't save Zoro that's headcannon pushed out to downplay Zoro's feat. If Law saved Zoro the manga would be have told us or showed us. Like when Law teleported Zoro in chapter 1010.
You can argue all you want that the other SN could have blocked and tanked Hakai but you would be wrong. If they could have Oda would have showed that instead of having Zoro do it and Kid thank him. But go ahead and try to take away more Zoro's feats. All you're doing is just embarrassing yourself.
I stated Zoro would fight King since the beginning of the war so don't give me that BS. King is just growth for Zoro. After he beats King he will fight and kill Kaido. The manga has hinted Zoro would kill Kaido since Punk Harazd. Currently, Zoro is fighting an opponent who is harder to damage than Kaido for that reason.
Kaido is not low diff King. King is more difficult to hurt that Kaido. It doesn't matter if he knows his secret King won't allow him to easily exploit it. Low diff is what he did to beginning of Wano Luffy. He couldn't low diff rooftop Zoro or Luffy. Low diff mean he don't allow a weaken and injured Zoro best you in battle and scar you.
I have already counteres the rest of your post with a previous post of my.
Here it is.
Law and Kid are YC2. With awakening they are the weakest YC1. Currently they are losing to any YC1/FM.
Killer is on Jack/Cracker level.
I'm basing their levels on their feats, hype and portrayal.
It doesn't matter what you call it. Zoro survived a combo attack from 2 SN that was designed to kill 6 SN. Zoro was still able to fight afterwards even though he had 20 to 30 bones. If anybody real life had that many broken bones they want to be able to run around and fight.
Yes, I do believe King could survive all of that. Even though I believe post chapter 1010 Luffy is stronger than King, Luffy would still have a difficult time fighting him because if his powers and abilities. The manga is telling us King is harder to damage than Kaido because of his durable body and unique power. If you don't understand the secret to his power you can't hurt him.
Zoro blocked and tank hakai. The manga shows and tells us that. Claiming anything else is headcannon.
No, Law didn't save Zoro that's headcannon pushed out to downplay Zoro's feat. If Law saved Zoro the manga would be have told us or showed us. Like when Law teleported Zoro in chapter 1010.
You can argue all you want that the other SN could have blocked and tanked Hakai but you would be wrong. If they could have Oda would have showed that instead of having Zoro do it and Kid thank him. But go ahead and try to take away more Zoro's feats. All you're doing is just embarrassing yourself.
I stated Zoro would fight King since the beginning of the war so don't give me that BS. King is just growth for Zoro. After he beats King he will fight and kill Kaido. The manga has hinted Zoro would kill Kaido since Punk Harazd. Currently, Zoro is fighting an opponent who is harder to damage than Kaido for that reason.
Kaido is not low diff King. King is more difficult to hurt that Kaido. It doesn't matter if he knows his secret King won't allow him to easily exploit it. Low diff is what he did to beginning of Wano Luffy. He couldn't low diff rooftop Zoro or Luffy. Low diff mean he don't allow a weaken and injured Zoro best you in battle and scar you.
I have already counteres the rest of your post with a previous post of my.
Here it is.
A clueless Luffy fan... I could have expected... Zoro has no trouble cutting him.
Will take time for you to get the difference between cutting him and inflicting significant damage.
Copium cant help you.
I am dying to know what Kaido is better at than King.
Enlighten me.
There were no wings when Zoro cut him up with Oni Giri and he still didnt take any significant damage.
Remember that such an attack is enough to take out Killer instantly.
And that same attack would deal the same or higher damage to Kaido than the Tatsumaki did.
The conclusion is what manga tells us - King is the most durable guy in Wano.
Repeat it until you believe it.
Will take time for you to get the difference between cutting him and inflicting significant damage.
Copium cant help you.
I am dying to know what Kaido is better at than King.
Enlighten me.
There were no wings when Zoro cut him up with Oni Giri and he still didnt take any significant damage.
Remember that such an attack is enough to take out Killer instantly.
And that same attack would deal the same or higher damage to Kaido than the Tatsumaki did.
The conclusion is what manga tells us - King is the most durable guy in Wano.
Repeat it until you believe it.
"There were no wings when Zoro cut him up with Oni Giri and he still didnt take any significant damage."
you arent reading
he isnt bleeding or getting cut anymore . its not an issue of significant damage . its an issue of doing no damage at all.
"And that same attack would deal the same or higher damage to Kaido than the Tatsumaki did."
lol
"Copium cant help you.
I am dying to know what Kaido is better at than King.
Enlighten me"
what an argument
1. for starters his ap is a class above
2. the limit of zoro's ability was tanked which he is still yet to use against king
3. the endurance needed to take on the amount of opponents kaido has, the attacks he has taken is far above what king has shown
I will love if you could define "everything" that king does better, perhaps its a joke am missing
With Kaido, I've always assumed the reason he's incredibly durable and tough even in his base mode is because he possesses a mythical zoan. I believe mythical zoans have some passive power that works even in base mode. Similar to how Marco heals even in his base mode.
After the spoiler was released I thought King might be using his fire power to caserize his wounds. At the time that made sense to me.
Zoro stated he's cutting King but he's not bleeding. We know that King can bleed. Marco and Zoro both made him bleed, but in those situations it was a surprise attack. That tells us it's a power he must consciously use. It's not a passive power. Now, I'm not too sure if that's what he's doing.
You might be on to something about the wings.
King wings being more durable than dinosaur and dragon's body is possible. He does come from ancient race we don't know much about. Maybe when he transform into his beast or hybrid mode his Lunarian wings turns into his dinosaur wings so that's why they are so durable.
But that still doesn't explain why Zoro didn't cut King's head when they clashed. Or at least while his head wasn't bleeding.
Unless the power from Zoro's attack weaken to the point it only had enough power left to cut through King's mask.
Regardless what's going on I think it's clear Oda is making King out to be harder to hurt or damage than Kaido.
After the spoiler was released I thought King might be using his fire power to caserize his wounds. At the time that made sense to me.
Zoro stated he's cutting King but he's not bleeding. We know that King can bleed. Marco and Zoro both made him bleed, but in those situations it was a surprise attack. That tells us it's a power he must consciously use. It's not a passive power. Now, I'm not too sure if that's what he's doing.
You might be on to something about the wings.
King wings being more durable than dinosaur and dragon's body is possible. He does come from ancient race we don't know much about. Maybe when he transform into his beast or hybrid mode his Lunarian wings turns into his dinosaur wings so that's why they are so durable.
But that still doesn't explain why Zoro didn't cut King's head when they clashed. Or at least while his head wasn't bleeding.
Unless the power from Zoro's attack weaken to the point it only had enough power left to cut through King's mask.
Regardless what's going on I think it's clear Oda is making King out to be harder to hurt or damage than Kaido.
the key here is whatever it is
be it his wings
or something to do with his flames
it is an active ability
not a passive one. otherwise he wouldnt bleed at the start of the fight.
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not really a retcon
marco took him on for sometime in a 2 v 1
but people here over analyse short clashes anyway .
Nah. Zoro is strong as fuck. Oda is just a dumb writer who goes off of what he has already proven before.
This Zoro dies to rooftop Zoro in straight 1 vs 1. Oda is one dumb fuck with his power scaling and you know this.
When it comes to King I had 3 times with him.
1st impression strong mofo
2nd impression Marco.s bitch.
3rd ( current ) back to strong mofo.
This Zoro dies to rooftop Zoro in straight 1 vs 1. Oda is one dumb fuck with his power scaling and you know this.
When it comes to King I had 3 times with him.
1st impression strong mofo
2nd impression Marco.s bitch.
3rd ( current ) back to strong mofo.
you are failing to see you are making harsh judgements off little impressions
if your take from the first few first impression is wow hes strong
he has a tough run with marco , and you think he is weak
looks better than zoro in one chap and you think he is strong again. you are ironically proving my point
too reactionary.
if your take from the first few first impression is wow hes strong
he has a tough run with marco , and you think he is weak
looks better than zoro in one chap and you think he is strong again. you are ironically proving my point
too reactionary.
YC1+ level that came off getting stalemated by Hawkins and Apoo hehehe.
The little man screaming and fighting for his life against wind blades and a tatsumaki was beyond YC on the rooftop and now is what, a top tier?
Beyond YC characters that can't even clash one single time with a top tier and have been running this whole raid while Marco who people say is not a top tier was clashing with BM and had her run from him.
And then you have Luffytards like this gentleman here saying that Zoro isn't stronger than bums that are completely helpless against one of his mid tier techniques. They became immune to it in the time it took them to get off of the rooftop.
The little man screaming and fighting for his life against wind blades and a tatsumaki was beyond YC on the rooftop and now is what, a top tier?
Beyond YC characters that can't even clash one single time with a top tier and have been running this whole raid while Marco who people say is not a top tier was clashing with BM and had her run from him.
And then you have Luffytards like this gentleman here saying that Zoro isn't stronger than bums that are completely helpless against one of his mid tier techniques. They became immune to it in the time it took them to get off of the rooftop.
Law and Kid wreck Hawkins and Apoo.
Man these Zolo fans have massively been put in the mud since Zolo has been getting negged by the second strongest in Kaido's crew
Next it'll be once ZKK never happens that they never really wanted that because defeating King is a greater feat. The absolute shambles Zolo fans have been in since Luffy told Zolo to get off the rooftop (which he listened to like a bitch) has been hilarious
king and marco is probably an extremely close fight
depending on how much more king can show, he can be stronger
"That nibba disappeared after the rooftop, haven't recovered since. Combat wise."
or king is just stronger than you thought
you guys are funny.
depending on how much more king can show, he can be stronger
"That nibba disappeared after the rooftop, haven't recovered since. Combat wise."
or king is just stronger than you thought
you guys are funny.
King is stronger than we thought since Oda reckoned his power-level for Zoro.
and I'm not lying lol. Zoro disappeared after the rooftop. Haven't seen since.