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Also don't think that Jinbe would get stomped by YC's, not even the likes of King/Marco/Kata etc.

Jinbe has great feats
for sure Jinbe is not that weak , he even stopped BM sword attack without being hurt , for sure his feats are better than that of Queen. to be honest his bounty seems to be much smaller than it should be. we tend to judge characters because of the bounty . to be honest i think one of the reasons why Jinbe is not in the crew yet is that he is stronger than Zoro and Sanji.
 
for sure Jinbe is not that weak , he even stopped BM sword attack without being hurt , for sure his feats are better than that of Queen. to be honest his bounty seems to be much smaller than it should be. we tend to judge characters because of the bounty . to be honest i think one of the reasons why Jinbe is not in the crew yet is that he is stronger than Zoro and Sanji.
I don't have a reason to put Jinbe anywhere below the likes of Jack/Cracker etc.
He has feats against Top Tiers, only very few commanders managed to pull that off, don't really get where that underestimation comes from. Is it because he's not cool looking ?
 
Katakuri was handling Luffy, Jinbe
No Jinbei was on the helm of the ship. Remember Jinbei has a perfect counter to Katakuri so Oda couldn't make it obvious like Jinbei and Luffy should just team up and they can deal with Katakuri in a few minutes... Nahhhh... We had to make sure The guy who can perfectly counter the villain is specfically not the one who fights unless it's Luffy countering Enel
 
A strong case can be made that Jinbe is stronger than pre-Wano Zoro and Sanji, and it's one of the reasons he's not with the crew atm. Either way, YCs are seriously overrated. To me, only first commanders are really formidable.
Yonkou Commanders Overrated ?

Jozu maybe appeared too soon in the manga : at first at Marineford he was a threat to Admirals and then he was defeated by everybody.

Cracker : he made a really big impression on me.
Luffy just defeated Dofflamingo with his new form. Super strong G4 who offensive power seemed on par with the top of the top of One Piece World. Wow. I was impressed. And then Cracker randomly stop it with his biscuit. Truly a new league.

Jack ? Invincible Tank who fighted during 3 days aainst Nekomamushi an Inuarashi who have even hype by Luffy ( and winner hating via Chemials Weapons ). Then, the guy attack Fujitora, Sengoku and Tsuru.

Yonkou Commanders impress me.

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Cracker : he made a really big impression on me.
Luffy just defeated Dofflamingo with his new form. Super strong G4 who offensive power seemed on par with the top of the top of One Piece World. Wow. I was impressed. And then Cracker randomly stop it with his biscuit. Truly a new league.

Jack ? Invincible Tank who fighted during 3 days aainst Nekomamushi an Inuarashi who have even hype by Luffy ( and winner hating via Chemials Weapons ). Then, the guy attack Fujitora, Sengoku and Tsuru.

Yonkou Commanders impress me.
They are. Jack just has stamina and little else. He's just a big damage sponge. Cracker's a one trick pony. He's no different than Satori who can evade all attacks, but once their weakness is exploited, they become helpless. Cracker was especially troublesome to Luffy because Luffy couldn't get to his real body whilst wasting his Gear 4 timer.

Jozu maybe appeared too soon in the manga : at first at Marineford he was a threat to Admirals and then he was defeated by everybody.
Jozu is more along the lines of the commanders I mentioned. He has one really good aspect about him, but he's mediocre everywhere else. The first commanders have so far been the most complete fighters, imo.
 
If he wanted to he could do it. But he doesn't want because heaven forbid this flashback actually have entire scenes play out on panel.

The only hope that this fight will be shown in its entirety is that the flashback started wth a full scene, the mountain god incident. So maybe Oda is planning to end with another full scene. MAYBE
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But people compare Benn beckman and Shiryu as well simply because of their positions in Yonkou crews before we actually see them do things too. Potrayal is a type of basis to scale people to an extent. It's the reason Smoothie is even considered a character worth talking about sometimes. Because of her position. She'd surely be living in a garbage bin if we were just going off of what shes even done on panel
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And Kyoshiro is worth all of Zoro's accumulated time and effort so far?

Like Kyoshiro is the guy who's gonna require full mastery of Enma and possibly a flashback of Zoro training with Mihawk and a flashback of how he lost his eye and even Ashura gets re-used and then Zoro still can't win even after using those mountain busting cuts on Kyoshiro and when Zoro is half dead, he unlocks a new move surpassing even post time skip Asura or anything we've ever seen and he passes From then fatigue.

You are sure that Kyoshiro is the guy who we've been leading up to for the whole time skip to push Zoro this hard?

Hehehe, sure it's possible but surely we should see more from Kyoshiro to say he is the guy who can push Zoro this hard. Because so far all he has on his belt is matching up with a fatigued two sword Zoro who didn't even want to fight him.
All understandable things, I use to think Zoro was gonna fight King for his main fight this arc But after rereading Oda has focused Zoro more on Orochi side. He shown interest in avenging Yasuie and personally wants to take down Orochi and we know that Orochis number 1 underling right now is Kyoshiro. We really don't know how strong Kyoshiro is compared to others for King and Queen its easily to tell since they're commanders so they should rank somewhere inbetween 1st/2nd/3rd whatever commander lvl... For Kyo its hard to say. I don't think Zoro will have to develop something new to beat King or Kyo he can just use his timeskip training but maybe he shows more in a later fight against Kaidou? Not quite sure tbh but IMO Zoro is for sure getting multiple fights durng this War
 
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