Speculations Akainu probably wiped out the Lunarians (based on VC-info and portrayal)

Roronoa-sama

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#21
And?
One Piece magazine implies that Akainu and Aokiji were monsters before they even joined the marines.
garp and sengoku would have defeated them not akainu. And morever WB didn't know about lunaries. So the lunaries were wiped out before wb. Impossible than akainu did it
 
#22
Lunarians were wiped out 800 years ago.

Lunarians lived on Red Line. 800 years ago, the Twenty Kings moved to Mary Geoise that was created on Red Line.

They likely destroyed the race back then. Either a single line survived with King, or, well... Lunarians live long. Too long.

Also, King is only 8 years younger than Akainu lol. If Marines did destroy Lunarians back when he was teenager or something, it was probably fleet led by Prime Garp if anything. Though that's unlikely.

If their destruction was recent, they would not be treated as legends and long forgotten Gods. They were worshipped long ago, and they were dethroned long ago.
 

Roronoa-sama

Magic Sword, Magic Swordsman, and Can Cut Anything
#23
Lunarians were wiped out 800 years ago.

Lunarians lived on Red Line. 800 years ago, the Twenty Kings moved to Mary Geoise that was created on Red Line.

They likely destroyed the race back then. Either a single line survived with King, or, well... Lunarians live long. Too long.
yes, Wb time the lunarians were already wiped out
 
#29
Although it hasn’t been confirmed, it’s basically certain that the Lunarians were wiped out by the World Government.

Time of the Lunarian Genocide?
Based on King’s relatively young age (47) and the fact that relatively recent and significant historical events (think the God Valley incident) have been erased from history, I would argue that the Lunarian genocide more than likely occurred somewhat recently, and not a thousand years ago.

The Vivre Cards Prove that King has a Vendetta Against the Marines
We also know from the Vivre Card, that King and King alone was accompanying Kaido to Marineford. Now this may just be wank for King, but I think it’s deeper than that. King probably has some vendetta against the World Government and by extension some living marines.

Which Marines? (why Akainu?)
Once you accept that King has some vendetta against the marines and world government, there’s actually more evidence to back Akainu being one of King’s targets than any other living marine:

1) He’s probably more OK with genocide than the other admirals/higher tier marines. The O’Hara incident basically proves this.

2) There is a clear magma vs fire dynamic established in One Piece. The volcano man playing a big role in the annihilation of the fire men would fit this.

3) It would start to transition Akainu back into the story as an antagonist. This is not a trivial point. Regardless of whether you think Akainu is a fight for Sabo, a non-EOS fight, the final fight, etc., at some point he needs to be dealt with. Akainu being a major figure in a successful genocide builds him up and would be good writing on the part of Oda.

Also @TheAncientCenturion asked to be tagged in my next thread so here you go.
Not happening.


"Those monsters could thrive in any inhospitable environment the World (Government) threw at them".

If anything, it is the opposite.

When Kizaru asked "the samurai, you mean...?", Akainu never actually answered the question.
He isn't worried about samurais, he is worried about someone else that counters the World Government's manpowers (Admirals' devil fruit) hard.
 
#30
Not happening.


"Those monsters could thrive in any inhospitable environment the World (Government) threw at them".

If anything, it is the opposite.

When Kizaru asked "the samurai, you mean...?", Akainu never actually answered the question.
He isn't worried about samurais, he is worried about someone else that counters the World Government's manpowers (Admirals' devil fruit) hard.
He probably meant Supernova alliance.
 
#31
It has not been stated ever that he actively wanted to go.

Just that he went with Kaido. Kaido's his captain, it was Kaido's decision to go.
It’s an oddly specific detail that only King went with Kaido. I don’t think Oda would create something like that as a “cool fact.”

It’ll probably wind up in the story in the same way that Shimotsuki Kozaburo did.
 
#32
It’s an oddly specific detail that only King went with Kaido. I don’t think Oda would create something like that as a “cool fact.”

It’ll probably wind up in the story in the same way that Shimotsuki Kozaburo did.
Probably just to wank King lol. Other than that, very possible that Kaido and King just heard of the news and immediately started flying there with no preparation, and since King is the only competent fighter with Kaido who can fly, he went along.

I believe King has an agenda against World Government, too (not marines specifically), but it's a stretch.

Either way, narratively it makes no sense for Akainu to even be born by the time their race got wiped out. It's definitely suggested to be an ancient event close to the core of One Piece Lore's history.

On top of that, we know Red Line was occupied by 20 Kings 800 years ago, and King's race lived on Red Line 800 year sago. That's likely when most of them were wiped out, but one or two lines survived thus resulting in King.
 

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#33
And we have no idea when that happened. Or even if the Genocide and the Mariejois removal happened at the same time.
The Celestial Dragons are implied to have been living on Mariejois for centuries.


So was Rocks. That wasn’t centuries ago.
The Rocks event was denied and covered up.

Linlin was saying that King's race had vanished long ago in history.

It's not the same thing.



It’s simple. The genocide occurred long after the Lunarians were removed from Mariejois.
No, that doesn't fit Linlin's claim.
 
#34
Probably just to wank King lol. Other than that, very possible that Kaido and King just heard of the news and immediately started flying there with no preparation, and since King is the only competent fighter with Kaido who can fly, he went along.

I believe King has an agenda against World Government, too (not marines specifically), but it's a stretch.

Either way, narratively it makes no sense for Akainu to even be born by the time their race got wiped out. It's definitely suggested to be an ancient event close to the core of One Piece Lore's history.

On top of that, we know Red Line was occupied by 20 Kings 800 years ago, and King's race lived on Red Line 800 year sago. That's likely when most of them were wiped out, but one or two lines survived thus resulting in King.
Under the assumption that the removal from Mariejois and genocide are different events of course.
 
#36
There are good chances the WG is involved yet I bet the ones who may be part or at least tell to the readers the story are the gorosei or maybe even Im but most likely gorosei. The navy is just an hand of the WG and also the lunarians were living on the red line continent and we can suppose Marijoa was built only after the race was wiped out or at the very least when the war against them was basically won, I would not be surprised if all this happened in the void century or even before. You are giving Akainu too much credit, probably he doesn't even know what a lunarian is. Also even if this happened 20-30 years ago (very unlikely) or even before Akainu was still a vice admiral at best at that point so you would have tool look at people old at leqst as Garp or Sengoku who were the admirals of that time. Probably the living marine with more chances to know or have taken part in the lunarian war/genocide or whatever it was it is Kong but I really doubt that as well. Imo this incident happened way more time ago.
 
#37
Not happening.


"Those monsters could thrive in any inhospitable environment the World (Government) threw at them".

If anything, it is the opposite.

When Kizaru asked "the samurai, you mean...?", Akainu never actually answered the question.
He isn't worried about samurais, he is worried about someone else that counters the World Government's manpowers (Admirals' devil fruit) hard.
 
#38
Under the assumption that the removal from Mariejois and genocide are different events of course.
Even then, the way they are treated historically and how narrative keeps pushing their destruction to be of ancient level over and over again, and related to long forgotten history, makes it very, very hard to believe that it'd be anything remotely recent. Rocks doesn't make same point, because his incident was covered up. BM states that King's stuff in particular was forgotten in history, naturally.

Hell, if Akainu did something as legendary as that, he'd be stuff of legends (and climbing up the ranks was always his agenda), not some Vice Captain during raid of Ohara.

Either way, even if Marines destroyed them before less than 100 years ago, inclusion of Akainu makes little to no sense narratively. Akainu's time to shine is within this generation, this is where he'll make his legendary name- be it as a hero or villain in history to people who come after. The grandest thing he has done in past (and that's mere 20s of years ago) is wiping out some innocent citizens of an island.
 
#39
The grandest thing he has done in past (and that's mere 20s of years ago) is wiping out some innocent citizens of an island.
Akainu had a 10 day battle with Aokiji that was talked about by the entire world.

I’d say that’s probably grander lol.

He’s the only top tier combatant to convincingly defeat another top tier in a clean 1v1 inthe entire story.

And the world is likely privy to stories about the admirals that we haven’t heard because they haven’t been villains yet.
 
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