Imagine claiming spitting the sky isn't the highest CoC clash feat when Oda hyped it over and over
Then go on to talk more about Mihawk then say Zoro having adcoc just when he unlocks coc isn't asspull
For you guys Zoro who doesn't know he has CoC, can unlock adcoc easily isn't Asspull
But Luffy and Yamato having adcoc for you guys is a problem
Lol
Imagine writing many things to justify Zoro asspulling adcoc easily even tho he can even use CoC consciously. In one chapter he went from basic coc to adcoc in the same chapter when he still doesn't know he used CoC.
Sky splitting obviously is not the peak of it, and I don't say it for Zoro.
Likes of Luffy and possibly even Shanks will show different level to ACoC before anyone else. Sky Splitting seems like the zone you get into when you ascend to solid top tier. After that, there's more to explore.
There's more to theorizing than "shitting on Zoro" and "wanking Zoro". Choose in-betweens sometimes rather than deciding to have your every post be driven either by wank or insecurity.
Then why are you trying to post a profile message in my page you troll? You can't even fully quote me because you just got destroyed like the last time again.
Then why are you trying to post a profile message in my page you troll? You can't even fully quote me because you just got destroyed like the last time again.
It doesn’t ruin his character any less. Zoro is not a relatable guy working hard to attain his dream, he is Ryuma sperm who would’ve never even made it past Kaku without his lineage to ass pull him to victory lol.
Everyone knew Oda was going to ruin Zoro eventually, I remember telling @Cuistot@ShishioIsBack@VersusPhD@LANJI CUCKSMOKE@Mr. Anderson etc in Discord that Oda would eventually ruin Zoro by giving him some bullshit lineage, so this isn’t surprising but it’s just as tragic as Oda ruining Luffy, if not even moreso as Zoro was cooler than Luffy at first (despite Zoro himself being generic Shonen trash made to appeal to tweenage idiots).
So yeah, Zoro’s character is ruined lol. Making a thread explaining why you always knew Oda was going to ruin Zoro does not change the point that he is in fact ruined @Den_Den_Mushi
Zoro is not a relatable guy working hard to attain his dream, he is Ryuma sperm who would’ve never even made it past Kaku without his lineage to ass pull him to victory lol.
It doesn’t ruin his character any less. Zoro is not a relatable guy working hard to attain his dream, he is Ryuma sperm who would’ve never even made it past Kaku without his lineage to ass pull him to victory lol.
Everyone knew Oda was going to ruin Zoro eventually, I remember telling @Cuistot@ShishioIsBack@VersusPhD@LANJI CUCKSMOKE@Mr. Anderson etc in Discord that Oda would eventually ruin Zoro by giving him some bullshit lineage, so this isn’t surprising but it’s just as tragic as Oda ruining Luffy, if not even moreso as Zoro was cooler than Luffy at first (despite Zoro himself being generic Shonen trash made to appeal to tweenage idiots).
So yeah, Zoro’s character is ruined lol. Making a thread explaining why you always knew Oda was going to ruin Zoro does not change the point that he is in fact ruined @Den_Den_Mushi
Major, I have no idea what you’re talking about. Why are you making this about lineage when anyone can have CoC? Hancock, Chinjao, Linlin, Rayleigh and Shanks are not the children of royal families, they’re just people with especially strong wills. Zoro having CoC doesn’t mean anything for his lineage, this chapter revealed that Kozaburo is Kuina’s relative, not his.
The writing has been on the wall for Zoro to get CoC for nearly 500 chapters now. The setup is there, with Oda showing readers that improving Haki is tied to putting one’s life on the line, something that Zoro is more than willing to do. It’s been foreshadowed and properly introduced, and this chapter has in fact shown that CoC or no CoC, Zoro is the same person as he was in East Blue.
Literally all the Straw Hats are geniuses with incredible natural born talent. Robin learned an ancient language at 8. Nami’s genius at cartography was acknowledged by Arlong. Franky turned himself into a cyborg despite his background being in ships, not body modifications and despite having been run over by a train. If you thought the story was about Joe Blows from Walmarts sailing the seven seas, I really don’t know what to tell ya.
Why are you making this about lineage when anyone can have CoC? Hancock, Chinjao, Linlin, Rayleigh and Shanks are not the children of royal families, they’re just people with especially strong wills. Zoro having CoC doesn’t mean anything for his lineage, this chapter revealed that Kozaburo is Kuina’s relative, not his.
COC is an ability that only one in a million people are born with, and even less learn how to actually form it into attacks. So you literally need to have a one in a million birth just to unlock the ability to begin with, and it’s even less likely than that that you will learn how to actually use it.
So not only would Zoro have died facing Kaku were he not from the sperm of Ryuma, but had Oda not gifted Zoro the knowledge of how to use CoC in its advanced form via repeated flashbacks that told him little/nothing about what AdCoC actually is, he would also be dead fighting King.
This is just another instance of Oda handing his characters victories they do not deserve or understand, because they were coincidentally born with abilities no one else has lol.
The writing has been on the wall for Oda to ruin Zoro via magic lineage ass pulls for nearly 500 chapters now. The setup is there, with Oda showing readers that his main characters will achieve victories they have not earned or deserve and don’t fully understand, something that Zoro is more than willing to do.
I think Zoro was always meant to have CoC with an ambition like WSS he has to be a king.
In regards to whether sky splitting is the pinnacle I'd say not actually on reflection. I think CoC has a lot more to unpack however by the end of the series Luffy will be displaying the absolute pinnacle of CoC.
It doesn’t ruin his character any less. Zoro is not a relatable guy working hard to attain his dream, he is Ryuma sperm who would’ve never even made it past Kaku without his lineage to ass pull him to victory lol.
Everyone knew Oda was going to ruin Zoro eventually, I remember telling @Cuistot@ShishioIsBack@VersusPhD@LANJI CUCKSMOKE@Mr. Anderson etc in Discord that Oda would eventually ruin Zoro by giving him some bullshit lineage, so this isn’t surprising but it’s just as tragic as Oda ruining Luffy, if not even moreso as Zoro was cooler than Luffy at first (despite Zoro himself being generic Shonen trash made to appeal to tweenage idiots).
So yeah, Zoro’s character is ruined lol. Making a thread explaining why you always knew Oda was going to ruin Zoro does not change the point that he is in fact ruined @Den_Den_Mushi
having coc doesnt really confirm he is some ryuuma offspring /lineage tho
and supposedly ushimaru who could be his father wasnt so special
the issue with coc which would apply to all individuals is that you are born with it .
you are by defn born special ( one in a million) but this critique has nothing to do with the thread tho @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung
I’m fine with Zoro having CoC. It was hinted at during his fights with Kaku and Monet, and it makes sense that someone aiming to be the World’s Strongest Swordsmen would be a conqueror.
I don’t see the issue. It would be a problem if someone like Chopper got CoC.
It doesn’t ruin his character any less. Zoro is not a relatable guy working hard to attain his dream, he is Ryuma sperm who would’ve never even made it past Kaku without his lineage to ass pull him to victory lol.
Everyone knew Oda was going to ruin Zoro eventually, I remember telling @Cuistot@ShishioIsBack@VersusPhD@LANJI CUCKSMOKE@Mr. Anderson etc in Discord that Oda would eventually ruin Zoro by giving him some bullshit lineage, so this isn’t surprising but it’s just as tragic as Oda ruining Luffy, if not even moreso as Zoro was cooler than Luffy at first (despite Zoro himself being generic Shonen trash made to appeal to tweenage idiots).
So yeah, Zoro’s character is ruined lol. Making a thread explaining why you always knew Oda was going to ruin Zoro does not change the point that he is in fact ruined @Den_Den_Mushi
Even though Zoro is the one that constantly trains... Much more than Luffy I might add. That's his literal flashback with Kozaburo... it's him training
Adv CoC for him and Luffy is overboard, when your dream is to become the pinnacle when it comes to strength it was eventual that Zoro would have CoC
2. I dont think Oda will give him some superficial lineage like he did Luffy and Sanji, or he would have done it in the flashback.
COC is an ability that only one in a million people are born with, and even less learn how to actually form it into attacks. So you literally need to have a one in a million birth just to unlock the ability to begin with, and it’s even less likely than that that you will learn how to actually use it.
I don't know what the problem with this is. Even in real life, most ultra-successful people were born with one-in-a-million advantages either genetically or through their family connections. Elon Musk's family owned an emerald mine. Michael Phelps has freakishly long flipper-like feet. Did you think Zoro was meant to represent John Doe from Walmart? That would be even more unrealistic than Zoro being ultra-talented.
I think you have a very skewed view of what Zoro's character is meant to be. Even Rock Lee, the 'genius of hard work' had the incredibly rare ability to even open his chakra gates in the first place. If the World's Strongest Swordsman, the one who claims Ryuma's title of 'king' isn't a conqueror, then who should be? No one apparently, according to you.
So you have a problem with all the Straw Hats being geniuses in their field? I'm not sure why you didn't drop the series the minute Robin joined then. Or the minute that Luffy was declared to be the son of Dragon and a member of the D clan.
I hope Asura is related to CoC, it appears to most likely be the case unless the spirit was related to a specific sword but that is very unlikely. It doesn't seem like to involve any in particular atm.
1033 has truly caused an outpouring of rage and salt within the community since Oda revealed once and for all that Zoro has Conqueror's Haki, with users on this forum finding various ways to cope with the pain. Among some of the more amusing claims include the following:
1. Zoro getting CoC is an asspull
2. Zoro getting CoC turns One Piece into Naruto because... reasons
3. Oda's handling of CoC is suddenly problematic because 'He HaSn'T ExPlAiNeD aNyThInG'
Leaving this thread as a gentle reminder that Zoro was always going to get CoC and that Zoro immediately unlocking advanced CoC makes perfect sense given what we know of his character.
CoC isn't supposed to be terribly uncommon
Chinjao said it here first. It's not that big a deal in the New World, and simply having CoC doesn't necessarily make one a top tier. I can't believe I'm having to point this out given that literal children can unlock Conqueror's, but here we are.
Of course, having a strong will means you can develop stronger haki in general, but the basic level of CoC in and of itself isn't indicative of how strong an individual character is.
Zoro is a Haki genius
Zoro unlocked regular haki much earlier than Luffy. His fight with Daz Bones awakened his Observation and gave him the Breath of All Things ability, also known as Ryuou or advanced armament.
Zoro unlocked COO alongside CoA despite COO not being his specialty. Jury's still out on whether Ashura itself is advanced CoC or is only used in conjunction with advanced CoC, but it makes sense either way. Zoro's near-death experiences have given him extremely accelerated growth in all three forms of haki, which meshes easily with information we've already been given:
Zoro's handicaps make his fights harder
Zoro has continuously been fighting with handicaps. Pre-timeskip, this was the injury he received from Mihawk, which was explicitly stated to require 2 years to heal.
Post-timeskip, Zoro has been holding back for the most part, only truly giving it his all in the rooftop battle and revealing the upgraded version of his ultimate technique. However, 1033 revealed that Enma has been handicapping Zoro all along, requiring him to release immense amounts of haki to properly use the sword. Unusued to the sword's overwhelming temperament, Zoro has not been able to fight freely and at full capacity the way Oden would have:
Enma is constantly stealing the user's Haki. We've seen what Haki depletion does, with Luffy turning into a useless sack and needing to be lugged around and babysat during G4's downtime. Despite Zoro having fought two yonko and now King with Enma, he's still got Haki left for his second round with Kaido's right hand, even declaring that he will not try to reduce or stabilise his Haki output. This goes back to Zoro being a Haki genius, which makes perfect sense given that Zoro's willpower is second to none.
Haki is not a hard magic system
Like it or not, Haki has always been a very nebulous concept, and it's unlikely that Oda has everything planned out for how it is to be used. However, CoC was hinted to have some use in combat when Shanks used it to crack the Moby Dick. Since Kaido revealed that CoC can in fact be used as a coating, it's safe to say that Oda will need to explain how it differs from CoA in more detail. The point remains, however, that Zoro unlocking and using CoC is a logically consistent powerup and if readers had complaints over the offensive use of CoC, they should really have complained when it was used by Luffy and Yamatrash first.
It was never really explained how Whitebeard and Shanks split the sky, or how Big Meme and Kaido replicated that feat many chapters later. However Luffy vs Kaido, and Whitebeard's comments to Shanks about his duels with Mihawk still ringing in his ears imply that CoC greatly enhances the user's destructive capabilities. Now we know that CoC was involved, both on the Moby Dick and almost certainly in the Mihawk/Shanks duels. Thus, advanced CoC is not, in fact, an asspull.
I hope I've sufficiently made my case for why ch. 1033 was perfectly consistent with previous story events and exposition surrounding Haki as a power system.
TLDR; Zoro has CoC. This makes sense. Cope harder.
1033 has truly caused an outpouring of rage and salt within the community since Oda revealed once and for all that Zoro has Conqueror's Haki, with users on this forum finding various ways to cope with the pain. Among some of the more amusing claims include the following:
1. Zoro getting CoC is an asspull
2. Zoro getting CoC turns One Piece into Naruto because... reasons
3. Oda's handling of CoC is suddenly problematic because 'He HaSn'T ExPlAiNeD aNyThInG'
Leaving this thread as a gentle reminder that Zoro was always going to get CoC and that Zoro immediately unlocking advanced CoC makes perfect sense given what we know of his character.
CoC isn't supposed to be terribly uncommon
Chinjao said it here first. It's not that big a deal in the New World, and simply having CoC doesn't necessarily make one a top tier. I can't believe I'm having to point this out given that literal children can unlock Conqueror's, but here we are.
Of course, having a strong will means you can develop stronger haki in general, but the basic level of CoC in and of itself isn't indicative of how strong an individual character is.
Zoro is a Haki genius
Zoro unlocked regular haki much earlier than Luffy. His fight with Daz Bones awakened his Observation and gave him the Breath of All Things ability, also known as Ryuou or advanced armament.
Zoro unlocked COO alongside CoA despite COO not being his specialty. Jury's still out on whether Ashura itself is advanced CoC or is only used in conjunction with advanced CoC, but it makes sense either way. Zoro's near-death experiences have given him extremely accelerated growth in all three forms of haki, which meshes easily with information we've already been given:
Zoro's handicaps make his fights harder
Zoro has continuously been fighting with handicaps. Pre-timeskip, this was the injury he received from Mihawk, which was explicitly stated to require 2 years to heal.
Post-timeskip, Zoro has been holding back for the most part, only truly giving it his all in the rooftop battle and revealing the upgraded version of his ultimate technique. However, 1033 revealed that Enma has been handicapping Zoro all along, requiring him to release immense amounts of haki to properly use the sword. Unusued to the sword's overwhelming temperament, Zoro has not been able to fight freely and at full capacity the way Oden would have:
Enma is constantly stealing the user's Haki. We've seen what Haki depletion does, with Luffy turning into a useless sack and needing to be lugged around and babysat during G4's downtime. Despite Zoro having fought two yonko and now King with Enma, he's still got Haki left for his second round with Kaido's right hand, even declaring that he will not try to reduce or stabilise his Haki output. This goes back to Zoro being a Haki genius, which makes perfect sense given that Zoro's willpower is second to none.
Haki is not a hard magic system
Like it or not, Haki has always been a very nebulous concept, and it's unlikely that Oda has everything planned out for how it is to be used. However, CoC was hinted to have some use in combat when Shanks used it to crack the Moby Dick. Since Kaido revealed that CoC can in fact be used as a coating, it's safe to say that Oda will need to explain how it differs from CoA in more detail. The point remains, however, that Zoro unlocking and using CoC is a logically consistent powerup and if readers had complaints over the offensive use of CoC, they should really have complained when it was used by Luffy and Yamatrash first.
It was never really explained how Whitebeard and Shanks split the sky, or how Big Meme and Kaido replicated that feat many chapters later. However Luffy vs Kaido, and Whitebeard's comments to Shanks about his duels with Mihawk still ringing in his ears imply that CoC greatly enhances the user's destructive capabilities. Now we know that CoC was involved, both on the Moby Dick and almost certainly in the Mihawk/Shanks duels. Thus, advanced CoC is not, in fact, an asspull.
I hope I've sufficiently made my case for why ch. 1033 was perfectly consistent with previous story events and exposition surrounding Haki as a power system.
TLDR; Zoro has CoC. This makes sense. Cope harder.
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