Has Queen been defeated?


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I agree that Sanji downplay is stupid and very prevalent, but I'm also not gonna act like I don't see tons of people trying to push agendas that make Luffy miles and miles further ahead of Zoro than he really is while simultaneously trying to ignore the fact that there is a legitimately visible gap between Zoro/Sanji
The flawed Enies Lobby doriki is what started all of it. Before Enies lobby arc you cant make any argument for Zoro and Sanji being close. He looked closer to Luffy before Enies Lobby Arc happened. And then Thriller Bark onwards Zoro is closer to Luffy. Zoro powerups too frequently to be closer to Sanji tbh.

The special about Sanji has always been that unlike the other crewmates outside of Luffy, Sanji is the only person Zoro cant just Low Diff.
 
The flawed Enies Lobby doriki is what started all of it. Before Enies lobby arc you cant make any argument for Zoro and Sanji being close. He looked closer to Luffy before Enies Lobby Arc happened. And then Thriller Bark onwards Zoro is closer to Luffy. Zoro powerups too frequently to be closer to Sanji tbh.

The special about Sanji has always been that unlike the other crewmates outside of Luffy, Sanji is the only person Zoro cant just Low Diff.
how is doriki flawed?

and even besides Enies you have the same concept being used in initial arcs.. in Little garden the theme was always in plane sight with the giants that was reflected upon sanji and zoro.

you can't say that you can't make an argument for it before EL thats bogus
 
You’re underestimating/forgetting how good the admirals are as characters.
Maybe i am. I personally wouldn't stan them and i think its silly for people to wank them. They are well written but they dont deserve to put on a powerlevel higher than yonkou just bc they are written well?? Fuck bro, shirahoshi even beats the yonkou when it comes to How the character was handled and written.

Marines are consistent for now, wait til they fight. Theyll go from top tier written to fucking dog shit just like the yonkou did
 
The flawed Enies Lobby doriki is what started all of it. Before Enies lobby arc you cant make any argument for Zoro and Sanji being close. He looked closer to Luffy before Enies Lobby Arc happened. And then Thriller Bark onwards Zoro is closer to Luffy. Zoro powerups too frequently to be closer to Sanji tbh.

The special about Sanji has always been that unlike the other crewmates outside of Luffy, Sanji is the only person Zoro cant just Low Diff.
That’s not really true. Oda paired Zoro and Sanji as Rivals back in little garden. It wasnt doriki that started it it was back when the crew was first entering the grand line.
 
Maybe i am. I personally wouldn't stan them and i think its silly for people to wank them. They are well written but they dont deserve to put on a powerlevel higher than yonkou just bc they are written well?? Fuck bro, shirahoshi even beats the yonkou when it comes to How the character was handled and written.

Marines are consistent for now, wait til they fight. Theyll go from top tier written to fucking dog shit just like the yonkou did
You do realize that admirals are considered the strongest fighters in the entire world government structure and had at least equal portrayal to Mihawk during Marineford (arguably superior, since they were pitted against stronger opponents than Vista).
 
This is demonstrably false. Kaido was literally trying to kill himself by falling from the clouds, and got a concussion/headache. That's damage. Both Law/Kid did damage to him where he was screaming. That is damage.





Luffy got advanced Hakis to win, not "damage" him. A KKG would fuck Kaido up, advanced Hakis or not.
Shock =/= Damage
Law's rubble attacks didn't do shit to Kaido, and the falling to kill himself was inconsistent with the performance of G4 sinking in with ZERO damage before learning barrier.
He learned adv CoC to WIN after he saw internal destruction was not enough.
Luffy clearly explained he needed barrier to get through Kaido's scales to do any real damage. Kidd clearly expressed shock that "punches" would ever be able to damage Kaido, just as ignorant to ryuo Killer was shocked that Enma enabled ryuo Zoro was able to cut Kaido. Just as it was explained when the weakling scabbards were able to do more to scratch and damage Kaido than the far-more-powerful-than-anything-the-scabbards-can-do G4 Kong organ.
 

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You do realize that admirals are considered the strongest fighters in the entire world government structure and had at least equal portrayal to Mihawk during Marineford (arguably superior, since they were pitted against stronger opponents than Vista).
mihawk was worse than Vista and Jozu and doflamingo.... he couldnt even finish of pre TS luffy.... Imagina catakuri failing to do that?
 
That’s not really true. Oda paired Zoro and Sanji as Rivals back in little garden. It wasnt doriki that started it it was back when the crew was first entering the grand line.
While that's true, it's weird that the Whiskey Peak fight happened JUST before Little Garden which makes everything feel contradictory. Especially because the whiskey peak fight was a literal strength contest between Luffy and Zoro whereas little garden served more as a metaphor
 
While that's true, it's weird that the Whiskey Peak fight happened JUST before Little Garden which makes everything feel contradictory. Especially because the whiskey peak fight was a literal strength contest between Luffy and Zoro whereas little garden served more as a metaphor
The whiskey peak fight was always designed as a joke. It started because Luffy thought Zoro beat up people who gave him food and ended with Nami knocking them both out.

So if you use it to say Luffy = Zoro then you have to accept Nami > Luffy and Zoro combined
 
No it doesn't. It is normal G4 bubbles just like against Doflamingo.

Kaido is getting hurt by all Scabbards swords, Law's fucking stones(stupid), Kid's WWE moves and Killer sound cuts.

What Kid imply or not doesn't matter. He has no knowledge to talk about what is hurting or not Kaido. Even Luffy said his attacks were too shallow even using ACoA(stupid too). Only Zoro made real damage to Kaido when he used Ashura.
Reread the chapters and look at the GIANT SKETCHED OUT BUBBLES on any G4 rooftop punch/kick
This was not drawn like this pre rooftop.
 
Shock =/= Damage
Law's rubble attacks didn't do shit to Kaido, and the falling to kill himself was inconsistent with the performance of G4 sinking in with ZERO damage before learning barrier.
He learned adv CoC to WIN after he saw internal destruction was not enough.
Luffy clearly explained he needed barrier to get through Kaido's scales to do any real damage. Kidd clearly expressed shock that "punches" would ever be able to damage Kaido, just as ignorant to ryuo Killer was shocked that Enma enabled ryuo Zoro was able to cut Kaido.
Wtf are you going on about? Someone screaming. Someone saying they have a concussion. How is that not damage?

You're trying to change the definition of damage for your own headcanon.

Just as it was explained when the weakling scabbards were able to do more to scratch and damage Kaido than the far-more-powerful-than-anything-the-scabbards-can-do G4 Kong organ.
Kong Organ = weakest hits in Gear 4. Kong Organ =/= All of Gear 4. It's just the spammiest move.

The gatling version of Kong Gun is Kong Gatling. Kong Organ just spams 3x the amount of moves, but probably 1/3rd as strong.
 
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