Spoiler One Piece Chapter 970 Spoilers Discussion
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Until Oden come back the flashback was really good for me but the last chapters kinda feel rushed.
The start with Oden,Kinemon and the all retainers was good(at most Kinemon part) and we see each characters view to Oden and why they follow him. After the travel with Roger,Oda should spend one chapter more first aboit Toki and the retainers. Seeing the bond of the retainers with Oden after travel. And also learning more about Toki and give her more personal character building. After that he could start with the Kaido/Orochi plot. The last two chapters feel kinda rushed for such a amazing character as Oden. Is kinda sad.
The start with Oden,Kinemon and the all retainers was good(at most Kinemon part) and we see each characters view to Oden and why they follow him. After the travel with Roger,Oda should spend one chapter more first aboit Toki and the retainers. Seeing the bond of the retainers with Oden after travel. And also learning more about Toki and give her more personal character building. After that he could start with the Kaido/Orochi plot. The last two chapters feel kinda rushed for such a amazing character as Oden. Is kinda sad.
So it's definitely not a "last attempt, Enma sucks all his Haki out at once" attack.
If so, why would you give that sword special hype and why would you give it a special ability? Right now I got the impression it's really just a rather cheap way to have Zoro learn advanced CoA on the fly. Hmm.. Mixed feelings, cause I still kinda liked those Enma scenes :D
So not only Chad, but every other top tier swordsman with advanced CoA should be able to kill Kaido atleast in base or full animal form, heh? Again mixed feelings about it, even if it balances things out more.
What's surprising is that Kaido seemingly one shotted even a fellow top tier. What's up with that. I understood it, when it happened to Luffy, Kaido's a strong mother fucker afterall, but Oden.. Afterall he had some decent hype behind those muscles. Perhaps it's the type of damage. Or Kaido is just that powerful, that him in base swinging that club is like eating a named advanced CoA attack from a human top tier? In need of ON PANEL feats......
And I was right in not getting to hyped. Everything that doesn't get revealed during the main story line in some way connected to Luffy, will not get revealed otherwise. The Primebeard/Roger clash panel prolly was the sole exception, cause we might not see them again in action. Which means off paneling everything and what's left is heavily restricted guys in on panel action. A let down from time to time tbh, even if I can understand it somehow (more hype for the actual story and so on..)
Sounding more negative than positive, but I'm still plenty hyped for all those hybrid forms and the war.
And now I'm sure that Luffy will dominate the start of the fight against base Kaido. He also has FS afterall. I think his performance might surprise a lot of people tbh.
If so, why would you give that sword special hype and why would you give it a special ability? Right now I got the impression it's really just a rather cheap way to have Zoro learn advanced CoA on the fly. Hmm.. Mixed feelings, cause I still kinda liked those Enma scenes :D
So not only Chad, but every other top tier swordsman with advanced CoA should be able to kill Kaido atleast in base or full animal form, heh? Again mixed feelings about it, even if it balances things out more.
What's surprising is that Kaido seemingly one shotted even a fellow top tier. What's up with that. I understood it, when it happened to Luffy, Kaido's a strong mother fucker afterall, but Oden.. Afterall he had some decent hype behind those muscles. Perhaps it's the type of damage. Or Kaido is just that powerful, that him in base swinging that club is like eating a named advanced CoA attack from a human top tier? In need of ON PANEL feats......
And I was right in not getting to hyped. Everything that doesn't get revealed during the main story line in some way connected to Luffy, will not get revealed otherwise. The Primebeard/Roger clash panel prolly was the sole exception, cause we might not see them again in action. Which means off paneling everything and what's left is heavily restricted guys in on panel action. A let down from time to time tbh, even if I can understand it somehow (more hype for the actual story and so on..)
Sounding more negative than positive, but I'm still plenty hyped for all those hybrid forms and the war.
And now I'm sure that Luffy will dominate the start of the fight against base Kaido. He also has FS afterall. I think his performance might surprise a lot of people tbh.
Wasn't this obvious though? Like Zoro said mastering Enma is him only cutting that tree once if he only wants to cut the tree and not cutting cliffs all the time.
Thats all that was stated about what Zoro was suppose to do from the get go. He wasn't learning some super slash ability. The sword already forces people to do super slashes. Literal fodder could just touch the sword and bam they do a super slash.
Zoro as a master swordsman is the one who stops the sword from doig a super slash and that's what proves he is better than those fodder swordsmen, he can actually make it not do excessive damage.
That's actually that was stated Zoro was doing and had to do.
And you are right, the haki draining only existed for Zoro to get haki training but I don't see how that's "cheap". I mean Luffy gets mid battle flashbacks and runs into haki experts willing to train and people always cry out that this is plot convenience. Then Oda changes it up with mystical items being used for training a la Dragon ball's hyperbolic chamber and THATS also cheap. Now what is Oda to do? Should he plain not have the characters grow?
Thats all that was stated about what Zoro was suppose to do from the get go. He wasn't learning some super slash ability. The sword already forces people to do super slashes. Literal fodder could just touch the sword and bam they do a super slash.
Zoro as a master swordsman is the one who stops the sword from doig a super slash and that's what proves he is better than those fodder swordsmen, he can actually make it not do excessive damage.
That's actually that was stated Zoro was doing and had to do.
And you are right, the haki draining only existed for Zoro to get haki training but I don't see how that's "cheap". I mean Luffy gets mid battle flashbacks and runs into haki experts willing to train and people always cry out that this is plot convenience. Then Oda changes it up with mystical items being used for training a la Dragon ball's hyperbolic chamber and THATS also cheap. Now what is Oda to do? Should he plain not have the characters grow?
Who did Kaido fight to get stronger over 20 years, Queen's fat ass? The whole point of the Middle Generation is that fighting subsided due to the new balance. The Shichibukai rose. Yonko were established and entered a stalemate long ago. BM/Kaido hadn't seen each other in decades. Neither had Shanks/Whitebeard. Shanks/Mihawk hadn't fought for at least 12-13 years.
Your 30s is like 90% of your prime. Shanks is still in his 30s. Roger/Garp took down Rox in their 30s. Even if Kaido got stronger, it wasn't by a whole lot.
Your 30s is like 90% of your prime. Shanks is still in his 30s. Roger/Garp took down Rox in their 30s. Even if Kaido got stronger, it wasn't by a whole lot.
I think Luffy will dominate Base Kaido , Luffy will shock him with FS ( dodging Base Kaido's attacks ) and Advanced Armament
( hurting Base Kaido's inside )
in the first encounter Luffy had no FS because he wasn't calm . if he had it'd have been a higher end of Mid Diff for Base Kaido
but now he also has 2 levels of Advanced Armament , 1 which is the same type as 3 Admirals used to block a Whitebeard's Quake , one can bypass Kaido's outer durability
but Kaido's Hybrid form and G4's timelimit will be the problems
( hurting Base Kaido's inside )
in the first encounter Luffy had no FS because he wasn't calm . if he had it'd have been a higher end of Mid Diff for Base Kaido
but now he also has 2 levels of Advanced Armament , 1 which is the same type as 3 Admirals used to block a Whitebeard's Quake , one can bypass Kaido's outer durability
but Kaido's Hybrid form and G4's timelimit will be the problems
You are deciding things over the plot though aren't you? If the plot says he got stronger then he did. No need to throw n your calculations and hypotheses
I mean Kaido literally says in just those five years he got stronger and that was just after fighting moriah and that's it. The plot has decided that Kaido got stronger and no age calculations about primes and encounters matters.
People can just train and get strong in this universe so you have no recourse and people have different rates of growth and power caps so all your calculations are inaccurate
I mean Kaido literally says in just those five years he got stronger and that was just after fighting moriah and that's it. The plot has decided that Kaido got stronger and no age calculations about primes and encounters matters.
People can just train and get strong in this universe so you have no recourse and people have different rates of growth and power caps so all your calculations are inaccurate
Dude what the fuck are you talking about? He is talking about troops not his personal strength.
"Getting stronger" is a weasel phrase. You could get 5% stronger, or you could get hundreds/thousands of times stronger. It is quite clear, if Kaido got stronger, it would only be slightly. He was already a grown ass man. He wasn't in Rox.
"Getting stronger" is a weasel phrase. You could get 5% stronger, or you could get hundreds/thousands of times stronger. It is quite clear, if Kaido got stronger, it would only be slightly. He was already a grown ass man. He wasn't in Rox.
Well. It's not like Luffy is the only one with adv.CoA. Shanks surely has the highest level too. Plus Lethality. But that's not enough to beat Kaido.
And dragon hybrid would obviously be >>> base Kaido. Look at how much more powerful Lucci got with a puny leopard Zoan. Kicking Zoro to the other end of the city and destroying the towers with one kick. And here a natural freak has the strongest Zoan.
And dragon hybrid would obviously be >>> base Kaido. Look at how much more powerful Lucci got with a puny leopard Zoan. Kicking Zoro to the other end of the city and destroying the towers with one kick. And here a natural freak has the strongest Zoan.
current Garp is 78 . and Rocks battle happened 38 years ago so Garp was 40 years old .... Roger though was 39
But yea as of now there is nothing solid for me to assume Kaido grew a lot stronger .
• the argument that Kaido was matched by Moria , so Kaido must be a lot stronger now
> it could be that Moria was just that strong . the dude also gotten weaker as Doflamingo , Jinbei implied .
and his motto when introduced in Thriller Bark was "rely on others"
he got lazy , fat , lost his chin , and relied on Zombies to take a revenge on Kaido .
Moria's regress of power level is the most severe in this series , he regressed a lot more than Rayleigh
Kaido on the other hand was never hinted to be weaker .... infact he could stay as strong as he was when fighting Oden until now .
• the argument that Kaido must have grown a lot stronger in these 20 years because WB went from getting defeated with BM Kaido Xebec just by Roger and Garp , to being Roger's equal in like , 10 years
> except we don't know when WB got his Gura Gura DF , which is a colossal boost to his power level . did he had Gura2 when defeated by Roger and Garp ? we don't know that
meanwhile Kaido when fighting Oden already had his Dragon Mythical Zoan DF for 5 years at least , see chapter 969
• the argument that Kaido was hesitant in taking on Oden and Wano's chivalrous forces 5 years prior to this ( Kaido fighting Oden ) , while Kaido 2 years ago was seeking to kill Whitebeard who had his crew , and 43 Allied Captains
> yet Kaido didn't mention how he got stronger . or Oda
and for wanting to kill Whitebeard part , Whitebeard also at that moment was taking on World Government's 2 greatest forces
( Marine Headquarters and Warlords )
so that was indeed a perfect moment to take out Whitebeard .
when Whitebeard and his crew and 43 Allies weren't taking on Marine Headquarters and Shichibukai , from what we know Kaido never tried to kill him
the argument that could be legit to support Kaido being stronger is , that he challenged other Emperors and Navy 18 times ....
but even then i'm still not convinced for now .... if he was just getting destroyed in those challenges ( because he was alone ) then i'm not sure if he grew stronger
Anyway Oda could've easily pointed out Kaido grew stronger in these 2 years in a narrator box , but he never did that
oh yea , the argument that Kaido grew stronger because he is called WSC now . i think this could be because he has the most Feats out of all top tiers ( challenged other Emperors and Navy alone , endured over a thousand tortures , sunk 9 different prison vessels )
so i can understand if he gets rumoured as being the strongest top tier ( i do believe he is stronger than other 10 top tiers but by tiny margin )
at last , maybe Kaido grew stronger , but a lot stronger i'm not sure .
But yea as of now there is nothing solid for me to assume Kaido grew a lot stronger .
• the argument that Kaido was matched by Moria , so Kaido must be a lot stronger now
> it could be that Moria was just that strong . the dude also gotten weaker as Doflamingo , Jinbei implied .
and his motto when introduced in Thriller Bark was "rely on others"
he got lazy , fat , lost his chin , and relied on Zombies to take a revenge on Kaido .
Moria's regress of power level is the most severe in this series , he regressed a lot more than Rayleigh
Kaido on the other hand was never hinted to be weaker .... infact he could stay as strong as he was when fighting Oden until now .
• the argument that Kaido must have grown a lot stronger in these 20 years because WB went from getting defeated with BM Kaido Xebec just by Roger and Garp , to being Roger's equal in like , 10 years
> except we don't know when WB got his Gura Gura DF , which is a colossal boost to his power level . did he had Gura2 when defeated by Roger and Garp ? we don't know that
meanwhile Kaido when fighting Oden already had his Dragon Mythical Zoan DF for 5 years at least , see chapter 969
• the argument that Kaido was hesitant in taking on Oden and Wano's chivalrous forces 5 years prior to this ( Kaido fighting Oden ) , while Kaido 2 years ago was seeking to kill Whitebeard who had his crew , and 43 Allied Captains
> yet Kaido didn't mention how he got stronger . or Oda
and for wanting to kill Whitebeard part , Whitebeard also at that moment was taking on World Government's 2 greatest forces
( Marine Headquarters and Warlords )
so that was indeed a perfect moment to take out Whitebeard .
when Whitebeard and his crew and 43 Allies weren't taking on Marine Headquarters and Shichibukai , from what we know Kaido never tried to kill him
the argument that could be legit to support Kaido being stronger is , that he challenged other Emperors and Navy 18 times ....
but even then i'm still not convinced for now .... if he was just getting destroyed in those challenges ( because he was alone ) then i'm not sure if he grew stronger
Anyway Oda could've easily pointed out Kaido grew stronger in these 2 years in a narrator box , but he never did that
oh yea , the argument that Kaido grew stronger because he is called WSC now . i think this could be because he has the most Feats out of all top tiers ( challenged other Emperors and Navy alone , endured over a thousand tortures , sunk 9 different prison vessels )
so i can understand if he gets rumoured as being the strongest top tier ( i do believe he is stronger than other 10 top tiers but by tiny margin )
at last , maybe Kaido grew stronger , but a lot stronger i'm not sure .
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