Spoiler One Piece Chapter 970 Spoilers Discussion

[sanjikun]

Name one zoan that won or looked good in their zoan form?

Um....

 

[trav]

Hybrid lucci vs fill on leopard lucci isn't much a fight tho at all
Like most hybrids vs full on zoans

Sengoku full or hybrid. which one is stronger?

 

[Reign]

King and Queen did not only face a scabbard each. Queen faced atleast Denjiro and Kanjurou, and King fought atleast Shutenmaru, Raizo, and possibly Kinemon

 

[Ganja userr]

Why are yall saying Oden snuck Kaido

From the post by sandman

 

[Sade]

People keep saying that Kaido dragon form is the weakest, actually this hype Oden even more since Kaido skin is more durable in that form.

And Oden didn't sneak attacked no one

 

[Reign]

Why are yall saying Oden snuck Kaido

Oden said he didnt expect Kaido to wait for him like that bcs he planned to cut Kaido while he was drunk and sleeping

 

[Pantheos]

Oden deserved that shit now that i see he tried to kill kaido when he is drunk.

Like there is a moment to catch him sober.

 

[nik87]

It's physically stronger. If it was unfit for combat, Oda wouldn't have them use it so often.

Duke Dogstorm casually stopped Zoan forms attack with his bare hand. Do you think he can casually stop a hit from hybrid like that? If yes, think again. Hybrid will produce an incomparably stronger hit.

The only sword to ever wound KAIDO is ENMA
The other sword either got affected by Enma unleashing all haki .
But Oda didn't hyoe the other sword for wounding Kaido even tho Oden used both.

Factually wrong as you can see yourself. The focus was never on Enma, it was on the wound.
Other sword being affected by Enma is your fantasy. Swords dont matter as I have been saying all along. They get a moment of hype when Zoro obtains them and after that, they become regular swords like all others.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

He had SC level subordinates....Ashura had to be stabbed in the back. Denjiro was fighting Queen.

Now that you speak of it
Denjiro fought Queen


Yes he has top Commander level dudes: Dukes Ashura Denjiro
And one low commander : Kawamastu

Admirals: low/mid top tiers

Again, it's all a matter of what you want to achieve. If you want pure destruction/raw power, than this form IS the strongest

If you want simple nimbleness/agility, than base form is the best:

Even though hybrid combines the two, and it's the most "balanced", it is also weaker than the Zooan form, and less agile than the base form.

Yes.

What matters is effectiveness
Similar to Luffy g4
There is no stronger or weaker versions
The one that works vs an opponent is the one that will stronger in that fight.

Zoan form usually do Jack 1 vs 1
Base do good and Hybrid do better

Boundman is effective against tanky or physical dudes
But fails against evasive or defensive skilled fighters

TANKMAN is effective against dudes who rushes in
But useless in many battles since luffy cant move

Snakeman is effective against Katakuri type of fighters.

But for zoans, oda has shown that Hybrid is their trump card.

 

[Albino 👑]

Sengoku full or hybrid. which one is stronger?

I don't even know which one we saw at marineford tbh idk

And the human model fruits are legit probably the only exception out there which doesn't change the other 99.99% of zoans

Its like using buggy to disprove the shichibukai being strong

 

[Jo_Ndule]

ODEN used both swords to wounds kaidou. so enma is not the only sword to wounds kaidou, you can't do that x with a signle word, you need both. so both swords wounded kaidoui.

You are trying to retcon what Oda established
Sure X mark scar but it is Enma that got the hype

So it means Enma powers affected the other sword to cut Kaido skin too.

Or

Whatever

 

[stealthblack]

who will get the second sword that wounded kaidou. momonosuke left it behind.

shute nmaru? law? Kidd? sanji? luffy?

 

[Grumpy Zoro]

retards out here arguing durability and shit when Oda has a story to tell and can't have a top tier fight go on for 10 chapters like luffys lmao

In OP taking an attack ungaurded can give like 100x more dmg than normal...it's just how it is especially when Oda needs to end things quick

 

[MonsterZoro]

who will get the second sword that wounded kaidou. momonosuke left it behind.

shute nmaru? law? Kidd? sanji? luffy?

Sanji for sure he trained with swords as a kid and stronger than zoro

 

[Sade]

Could she Kill Orochi with a Dropkick ?

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

From the post by sandman

You have the screenshot or quote

 

[BangOO🍅]

We see king and queen silhouette, where is our lord Jack The Drought?

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Duke Dogstorm casually stopped Zoan forms attack with his bare hand. Do you think he can casually stop a hit from hybrid like that? If yes, think again. Hybrid will produce an incomparably stronger hit.

Factually wrong as you can see yourself. The focus was never on Enma, it was on the wound.
Other sword being affected by Enma is your fantasy. Swords dont matter as I have been saying all along. They get a moment of hype when Zoro obtains them and after that, they become regular swords like all others.

Lol Oden uses both swords and wounds Kaido

Oda just hypes Enma for it

But you here thinking I am writing wrong stuff?

Why didn't Oda hype both by saying "the legendary swords to ever wound Kaido"

Also WB has supreme blade but didnt wound Kaido skin (leaving a scar) we know WB Haki is superior to Oden.

We back at it again! Oda hyped enma not both swords even though Oden used both!

 

[Reign]

Also as far as I know, Kaido did not mention "if it was 5 years ago, you would've won" like that 5ch spoiler. The closest thing to that is when Kaido said "If You and Hyogorou Join forces it will be hard for us".
and no mention of most of Kaido's soldiers lost in a battle againts Moria either. No wonder Redon called that spoiler fake.

 

[Pantheos]

We see king and queen silhouette, where is our lord Jack The Drought?

Kindergarden