Spoiler One Piece Chapter 970 Spoilers Discussion

[nik87]

Enma is the only sword hyped to have scarred Kaido
Oda has already hyped Enma alone for this scar? not both swords

You have panel in front of your eyes telling you differently. What else do you possibly need? A personal letter from Yoda?
Translation is obviously wrong and it is "the only scar" not "the only sword".

You guys literally have no clue.
The Zooan form is physically STRONGER than Hybrid form. The Hybrid form is just FASTER than Zooan form and more agile.

Zoan forms are 99% of time unfit for combat and incomparable to hybrids. Jack's Zoan form is not stronger than his hybrid form.

 

[Homelander]

Luffy will destroy that club. Then we might see basekaidos combat skill .

Kaido in dragon form is def is his weakest .

 

[Jo_Ndule]

He was about to 2-shot Kaido.... How is that "at best Low Top Tier"

Coz I see him around prime ray who I now have as Low top tier.

But yeah anyway both are admiral level.

 

[stealthblack]

ODEN used both swords to wounds kaidou. so enma is not the only sword to wounds kaidou, you can't do that x with a signle word, you need both. so both swords wounded kaidoui.

 

[sanjikun]

Zoan forms are 99% of time unfit for combat and incomparable to hybrids. Jack's Zoan form is not stronger than his hybrid form.

It's physically stronger. If it was unfit for combat, Oda wouldn't have them use it so often.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

You have panel in front of your eyes telling you differently. What else do you possibly need? A personal letter from Yoda?
Translation is obviously wrong and it is "the only scar" not "the only sword".

Zoan forms are 99% of time unfit for combat and incomparable to hybrids. Jack's Zoan form is not stronger than his hybrid form.

The only sword to ever wound KAIDO is ENMA
The other sword either got affected by Enma unleashing all haki .

But Oda didn't hyoe the other sword for wounding Kaido even tho Oden used both.

 

[Albino 👑]

Momo and zoro vs full zoan kaido hype

 

[sanjikun]

Coz I see him around prime ray who I now have as Low top tier.

But yeah anyway both are admiral level.

He had SC level subordinates....Ashura had to be stabbed in the back. Denjiro was fighting Queen.

 

[Homelander]

I get the feeling oda might have to defeat kaido in his dragon form.

His human form is tank. Literally his combat level are nuts.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

It's physically stronger. If it was unfit for combat, Oda wouldn't have them use it so often.

It's unfit and useless

Name one zoan that won or looked good in their zoan form?
Zero.

The battle isnt "having stronger attacks" only, what matters is if you are effective

Dragon Kaido is open to many attacks, can be dodged easily or sneak attacks
While base Kaido is more useless and Hybird is better and faster

 

[Shiroyru]

You guys literally have no clue.

The Zooan form is physically STRONGER than Hybrid form. The Hybrid form is just FASTER than Zooan form and more agile.

Depends on the Zoan. Lucci’s leopard form isn’t physically stronger than his hybrid form

 

[Topi Jerami]

Thats what i thought what if its kinemon

Nah
Kinemon is eliminated - he is too vital to be the traitor
Shinobu is eliminated - she had inner dialogue in bath scene "someone leaked our plan"
Neko and Inu are eliminated - they protected Raizo so hard until they lost their limbs
Raizo is eliminated - he was the target during Jack's invasion and he got bloody injured by King in this flashback
Ashura imo is eliminated - he played a tough guy to finally join the alliance, can't see traitor doing that part. He along with Kinemon also shown genuine shock after Kaido hit Oden
Kawamatsu is eliminated - he protected Hiyori after incident and ended up as prisoner being fed with poisonous food. They won't treat their spy like that

That leaves the popular suspects
Okiku / Kanjiro and whatever Denjiro doing in current story
Doubt it's Denjiro though, he acted as genuine Oden fanboy in the start of this flashback

 

[MonsterZoro]

Oden deserved that shit now that i see he tried to kill kaido when he is drunk.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

He had SC level subordinates....Ashura had to be stabbed in the back. Denjiro was fighting Queen.

Now that you speak of it
Denjiro fought Queen


Yes he has top Commander level dudes: Dukes Ashura Denjiro
And one low commander : Kawamastu

Admirals: low/mid top tiers
Oden and ray fall here.
The high top tiers are Yonko/FA/PK

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

There goes Mihawk fans who were saying Oden used one blade and Yoru can do the same.

This battle wasn't even a battle

Oden was fighting kaido hencmen, kaido was attacking the castle
Oden attacks Kaido offguard and scars him
Kaido falls
Oden thinks he won and then he gets fooled by the old hag
Kaido catches Oden offguard and oneshots Oden

So this is another Jozu vs Kuzan
A superior fighter getting a free hit means game over

Both damaged each other with free hits offguard

Oden attack with Enma couldn't K.O Dragon Kaido, he was naive to think he won there.
Kaido only needs one hit to Finish Oden.
Both of their feats were offguard free hits.

And Calamities didnt even look impressive vs retainers. King had to sneak attack Shuten.

So this is the legendary Kaido vs Oden?
Battle of Free hits/catching the other offguard

We were all fooled thinking Oden didn't cheapshot Kaido
We thought Oden was dominating and both were matched
It turns our Oden got a free hit. Kaido didn't defend nor was he focused on Oden.

he used ame no habakiri to cut him too
what are you looking at
lmao

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Enma is the only sword hyped to have scarred Kaido
This means Enma unleashed Oden haki on both swords maybe.

Oda has already hyped Enma alone for this scar? not both swords

What? Lol stop the nonesense

 

[sanjikun]

Depends on the Zoan. Lucci’s leopard form isn’t physically stronger than his hybrid form

Alright. But that's only because Leopards are all about speed, so he is FASTER. But Jack for sure is stronger in Zooan, like all Dinosaurs.

 

[zzShinichi]

How do you even jail Oden? Couldn't he just flip a finger and obliterate that cell? He didn't even seem to be cuffed

 

[Homelander]

Nah
Kinemon is eliminated - he is too vital to be the traitor
Shinobu is eliminated - she had inner dialogue in bath scene "someone leaked our plan"
Neko and Inu are eliminated - they protected Raizo so hard until they lost their limbs
Raizo is eliminated - he was the target during Jack's invasion and he got bloody injured by King in this flashback
Ashura imo is eliminated - he played a tough guy to finally join the alliance, can't see traitor doing that part. He along with Kinemon also shown genuine shock after Kaido hit Oden
Kawamatsu is eliminated - he protected Hiyori after incident and ended up as prisoner being fed with poisonous food. They won't treat their spy like that

That leaves the popular suspects
Okiku / Kanjiro and whatever Denjiro doing in current story
Doubt it's Denjiro though, he acted as genuine Oden fanboy in the start of this flashback

The traitor reveal will sad event in manga. I get the feeling well be shocked.

Hopeful to learn why they did it ? Cant really tell why scabbard would switch side and fight with him only to get death sentence.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Why are yall saying Oden snuck Kaido