Powers & Abilities Enma is just a training wheel.

[HA001]

You do know that HA001 and nik87 is the same person with alternate accounts. So don't bother talking to him.

What ? stick to your utter tripe about a sword attacking sanji by itself

 

[Zenos7]

The BS you guys spew does not change what the manga has said, Enma takes the user's haki and makes them cut more than neccessary.

That is a power up.

did you like, read the opening post?

doesnt seem like it.

 

[Rmstorm]

What ? stick to your utter tripe about a sword attacking sanji by itself

You're not fooling anybody.

 

[HA001]

You're not fooling anybody.

Theres only one fool here and its you, you utter wetwipe.

 

[Zenos7]

Zoro says once he master the sword he will be stronger

IT IS A Power UP.

the first thing you say here is essentially agreeing with the point of this thread.

and then comes some antilogic due to your excessive sword hate.

maybe you need to get yourself checked

 

[Rmstorm]

Look at this guy above, the is a prime example of a delusional Zoro fanboy. They result to insulting someone when they out of options.
@True God Moe @Jo_Ndule @Grumpy Zoro

 

[Gran D. Master]

Hes not, manga panels clearly disagree.

Swinging enma around without passing out = "mastery"

Now lets break down the bull shit of the sword itself being a power up, that would imply the second he used it he would be stronger which wasnt the case infact it drained his haki.
Which means as the purpose of this thread and @ImmaIvanoM is saying is zoro is getting stronger through the training with it not just using the sword, the drawback was a one time thing.

As long as you admit that Zoro's training is still a powerup just like Luffy's

 

[HA001]

Yeah @Zenos7 you delusional zoro fanboi...

 

[Zenos7]

Look at this guy above, the is a prime example of a delusional Zoro fanboy.
@True God Moe @Jo_Ndule @Grumpy Zoro

why did you tag another zoro fanboy though?

and no thanks im not delusional mr.enma-attacked-sanji-on-its-own lmfao

 

[ardym]

for sure Enma is a training tool for concentration riyu around the swords , so i assume Zoro would be able to use haki more proficiently thanks to Enma. since apperently Zoro can move riyu back from the sword to his body , that would enable him to move the riyu to his other swords as well.
in other words that sword helped Oden as well in wielding Riyu

 

[Rmstorm]

why did you tag another zoro fanboy though?

and no thanks im not delusional mr.enma-attacked-sanji-on-its-own lmfao

Because I'm showing the difference between a resonable fanboy and a fanatic.

 

[Zenos7]

Umm RS gives Sanji access to stuff he could never do before? like completely new abilities lol not to mention it's instant...without any training needed

not sure about no training needed with the rs.

he at least needs to get used it

 

[HA001]

Swinging enma around without passing out = "mastery"




As long as you admit that Zoro's training is still a powerup just like Luffy's

? Was luffy able to use the barrier perfectly with no problems ? No he had to just like zoro train at it for 2 weeks, they have powered up but a power up is something like the raid suit that instantly made sanji stronger the first time he uses it, training is not a power up.

 

[Gran D. Master]

Umm RS gives Sanji access to stuff he could never do before? like completely new abilities lol not to mention it's instant...without any training needed

How do you know Zoro's training won't give him access to new things due to his improved haki?
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? Was luffy able to use the barrier perfectly with no problems ? No he had to just like zoro train at it for 2 weeks, they have powered up but a power up is something like the raid suit that instantly made sanji stronger the first time he uses it, training is not a power up.

So Luffy had no power-ups since the timeskip?

 

[Zenos7]

Because I'm showing the difference between a resonable fanboy and a fanatic.

not sure that reasonable fanboy is actually agreeing with you here lol

 

[HA001]

How do you know Zoro's training won't give him access to new things due to his improved haki?
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So Luffy had no power-ups since the timeskip?

You count g4 boundman snakeman tank man something he could do before returning to sabadoy as insta power ups despite him training to get them for 2 years ?
Apart from maybe fs no luffy has not been given any instant power ups.

 

[Gran D. Master]

You count g4 boundman snakeman tank man something he could do before returning to sabadoy as insta power ups despite him training to get them for 2 years ?
Apart from maybe fs no luffy has not been given any instant power ups.

No no no, Luffy had to fight his ass off for fs. It's more extreme than any sort of training so you can't consider that a power up either

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Nobody denied Oden strength but him cutting Kaido was mainly because of Enma.

So Ame no habikiri cutting Kaido means what?

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Look at this guy above, the is a prime example of a delusional Zoro fanboy. They result to insulting someone when they out of options.
@True God Moe @Jo_Ndule @Grumpy Zoro

I don't understand you dude, why don't you actually address a single poiint made in the thread instead of trying to insult people

Like is there anything you have to actually say than insults
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Interesting, because he says this after the panel above happened:

Yes, Enma is a training wheel. Not a power up.

Once Zoro gets stronger from training with Enma, HE WILL BE STRONGER. It's not that the sword will be making him stronger after training. It will be Zoro who is stronger. Therefore it's just a training wheel since the sword will become a normal 21 great grade sword after training.

You seem to not understand what Zoro is actually doing. He isn't training to have his haki drained in some big slash. The sword does that automatically to anyone so that doesn't require training for.

What Zoro is training for is TO NOT have his haki drained. Therefore he is training to make the function like a normal sword and the process of forcing the sword to do that will make he himself stronger.
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As I said people were salty with the « instant power up » narrative.

And I disagree. The sword in itself is not a power up, the same way Luffy’s training in Udon is not. Training is training, not a power up. The power up is the result of the training.

To make it simple :
-Udon was Luffy training wheel and his power up is to be able to control « penetration haki »
-Enma is Zoro training wheel and his power up is to have a better control of his haki.

The sword in itself is not a power up because the haki control that Zoro gained by training with it will not disappear if Zoro drop Enma.

Any comment on this?
@Jo_Ndule @Rmstorm @Gran D. Master

 

[Grumpy Zoro]

not sure about no training needed with the rs.

he at least needs to get used it

Well yeah but you get what I mean...even untrained it does give insta boost

How do you know Zoro's training won't give him access to new things due to his improved haki?

If it will of course it's gonna be the same as Luffy's power up...not denying it or the possibility

But look so far....Luffy trains and achieves most advanced form of CoA... Zoro trains and he gets what? From what we see so far it's improved control over his haki...it does make him stronger but doesn't seem like the sword gonna shoot laser beams

From what u are saying improved control over haki = unlocking such advanced CoA u can fuck up Kaido with it...