Speculations No BBP makes sense as Sanji’s fight

[Sir Yasheen]

Nami is one of the most prominent members of the crew, moreso than Sanji. The only thing Oda can do to make Pizarro prominent is have him be the second strongest (behind Shiryu), which requires Sanji to fight him.

Not really. Lafitte is being portrayed as Blackbeard’s left hand, Namis a prominent member but she’s not more prominent than Sanji whos Luffys left hand.

And I’m talking about how Lafitte has been shown in the manga.

1. Introduced away from the other members
2. Snuck into the meeting between marines and Warlords
3. Yelled at Pizarro for disrespecting BB
4. Was reintroduced with Zoros opponent post timeskip

All of this points to being a Sanji opponent not a Nami opponent. It can you tell me one Nami opponent who had more plot relevance than any of Sanjis?

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Not really. Lafitte is being portrayed as Blackbeard’s left hand

Lafitte never had this portrayal.

Namis a prominent member but she’s not more prominent than Sanji whos Luffys left hand.

Luffy, Zoro, and Nami make up the core characters.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Lafitte never had this portrayal.



Luffy, Zoro, and Nami make up the core characters.

Yes he did. He was the most hyped character from BBs pre timeskip crew.

And again, name one opponent Nami fought that had more plot relevance than Sanjis?

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Lafitte never had this portrayal.



Luffy, Zoro, and Nami make up the core characters.

Yes he did. He was the most hyped character from BBs pre timeskip crew.

And again, name one opponent Nami fought that had more plot relevance than Sanjis?

 

[Finalbeta]

He needs to go somewhere into the plot, no where else to go but the BB Pirates. Not to mention, BB can probably lie to him to get him on his side. Weevil seems like an idiot and Bakkin will do whatever gets her the most money

Papalino's statements are not to sleep on :cheers:

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Papalino's statements are not to sleep on :cheers:

May the children of the emperors rock the new world

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Yes he did. He was the most hyped character from BBs pre timeskip crew.

You mean when he showed up to the Warlord meetinig? Are you sure that's hype or Oda specializing Lafitte?

And again, name one opponent Nami fought that had more plot relevance than Sanjis?

Kalifa, but that's not the point. The point is Pizarro is not important enough for Nami. The only thing that can make him important requires he'd be the strongest behind Shiryu, which rules out him going to Nami.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

You mean when he showed up to the Warlord meetinig? Are you sure that's hype or Oda specializing Lafitte?



Kalifa, but that's not the point. The point is Pizarro is not important enough for Nami. The only thing that can make him important requires he'd be the strongest behind Shiryu, which rules out him going to Nami.

How is Pizarro important enough for sanji but no important enough for nami?
Namis previous opponents like:
Ms. Doublefinger - Only appeared for a few chapters and did nothing
Kalilfa - An underling and the weakest member of CP9
Ulti - A tobi roppo

None of these characters were more important than Sanjis. Heck Chopper and Frankys fights are just as important as Namis so Pizarro is already important enough for Nami as he was shown along side Van Augue Lafitte and Shiryu As one of BBs most important.

And when Tsuru, a Legend along the lines Of Garp and Sengoku, hype him it’s hype. Or when he sneaks up on Hawk Eye Mihawk. That’s hype.

 

[Julius]

Nami is one of the most prominent members of the crew, moreso than Sanji. The only thing Oda can do to make Pizarro prominent is have him be the second strongest (behind Shiryu), which requires Sanji to fight him.

This never happened once in the series

It's like Sanji fighting Ulti while Nami fights Queen. Do you want compare Ulti's role as an antagonist in this arc, to Queen's?

This panel should speak for itself for now

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

How is Pizarro important enough for sanji but no important enough for nami?

Because he's part of the Impel Down recruits. Because the only way for him to be prominent is to make him the strongest below Shiryu, which is way above Nami's pay grade.

Ms. Doublefinger - Only appeared for a few chapters and did nothing

Runs Spider Cafe, one of the secret base of operations for Baroque Works. Is paired with Mr. 1, the strongest member under the President. Is the strongest female member under the Vice-President.

Kalilfa - An underling and the weakest member of CP9

Went undercover with Lucci and Kaku as Paulie's employees. Was the first CP9 agents alongside Lucci and Kaku we're introduced to.

Ulti - A tobi roppo

The only one in your list who holds the least significance.

None of these characters were more important than Sanjis.

There's more to being significant in an organization than power levels.

Heck Chopper and Frankys fights are just as important as Namis so Pizarro is already important enough for Nami as he was shown along side Van Augue Lafitte and Shiryu As one of BBs most important.

Pizarro can't be important enough for Nami because he's part of the Impel Down recruits.

And when Tsuru, a Legend along the lines Of Garp and Sengoku, hype him it’s hype.

Was he hyped for power levels or for being stealthy?

Or when he sneaks up on Hawk Eye Mihawk. That’s hype.

Mihawk barely gave a shit about him.

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This never happened once in the series

It's like Sanji fighting Ulti while Nami fights Queen. Do you want compare Ulti's role as an antagonist in this arc, to Queen's?

This panel should speak for itself for now

Is Wano where you started reading One Piece? You do know Zoro and Nami's opponents have been grouped together before, right?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Because he's part of the Impel Down recruits. Because the only way for him to be prominent is to make him the strongest below Shiryu, which is way above Nami's pay grade.



Runs Spider Cafe, one of the secret base of operations for Baroque Works. Is paired with Mr. 1, the strongest member under the President. Is the strongest female member under the Vice-President.



Went undercover with Lucci and Kaku as Paulie's employees. Was the first CP9 agents alongside Lucci and Kaku we're introduced to.



The only one in your list who holds the least significance.



There's more to being significant in an organization than power levels.



Pizarro can't be important enough for Nami because he's part of the Impel Down recruits.



Was he hyped for power levels or for being stealthy?



Mihawk barely gave a shit about him.

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Is Wano where you started reading One Piece? You do know Zoro and Nami's opponents have been grouped together before, right?

A Tobi Roppo also not good enough for Nami? Oh wait…

You get that Oda doesn’t give characters like Nami the important fights because she’s not a good fighter.

In terms of importance to their group:
Mr. 2 > Doublefinger - Was responsible for ensuring the Revolution through his group and the third strongest member.

Jabra > Kalifla - Was the leader of the second group of CP9.

Queen >>> Ulti - Not even a competition

Lafitte > Pizarro

Anyone thinking Nami is fighting one of Blackbeard’s most important and prominent crew members is clearly deluding themselves. Odas three most prominent Straw Hats when it comes to fighting the enemies is always Luffy then Zoro then Sanji.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

A Tobi Roppo also not good enough for Nami? Oh wait…

You get that Oda doesn’t give characters like Nami the important fights because she’s not a good fighter.

In terms of importance to their group:
Mr. 2 > Doublefinger - Was responsible for ensuring the Revolution through his group and the third strongest member.

Jabra > Kalifla - Was the leader of the second group of CP9.

Queen >>> Ulti - Not even a competition

You're still stuck on power levels.

Lafitte > Pizarro

Proof?

Anyone thinking Nami is fighting one of Blackbeard’s most important and prominent crew members is clearly deluding themselves. Odas three most prominent Straw Hats when it comes to fighting the enemies is always Luffy then Zoro then Sanji.

I say the opposite. In a crew that's been built as an evil version of the Straw Hat Pirates (and the Whitebeard Pirates), there's no way Oda doesn't give Nami (who is one of the triggers alongside Zoro and Luffy) a very important member.

 

[Inzziuma]

You’re assuming Gin being a BBP would mean he chose to leave Krieg’s crew willingly but why it would have to mean that ? Krieg could be dead or he may have rejected Gin, which he already did when he ultimately refused to kill Sanji so there’s no saying he changed his mind after that. We have no idea how things unfolded between them so there’s actually a lot of potential for a backstory giving depth to Gin’s character and justifying him joining BB.

Still, I don't know how that would make any sense for Gin's character. Not killing Sanji and by that being ready to die by Krieg's hands, yet only two-three years later he would fight Sanji to the death? That would pretty much overwrite what we've already got.

The history and connection Sanji has with Gin is much stronger than any connection he could have with any of the BBPs, whom Sanji knows nothing about. They’re just total strangers to him. In that sense, none of the potential fights he could get against one of them, or the similarities he could share with them, would compare with the emotional weight a Sanji vs Gin rematch would bring. Not Laffitte being a cunning and stealthy speedster who can fly, not Vasco Shot being a martial artist or a cook and not even Pizarro being a royalty from North Blue. All those connections would be meaningless compared to Sanji’s history with Gin, regardless of whether it’s a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

Yeah, no one but Luffy has any connection to the Blackbeard Pirates as far as we know. Why would Sanji need one then?
Having a previous connection that isn't just shallow is VERY rare anyway. Sanji's the only one against the Beast Pirates, in hindsight Zoro had one against Ryuma... but other than that it's usually just a clash of ideals, a fitting matchup due to fighting styles or any other reason. Throwing Gin in there and literally making him turn into someone at least on commander level seems extremely forced just for the sake of having him return in a meaningful way.

 

[Finalbeta]

Sanji is accomplishing a good job tackling Queen

 

[Sir Yasheen]

You're still stuck on power levels.



Proof?



I say the opposite. In a crew that's been built as an evil version of the Straw Hat Pirates (and the Whitebeard Pirates), there's no way Oda doesn't give Nami (who is one of the triggers alongside Zoro and Luffy) a very important member.

Wings of the pirate king is canon for a reason. Plot relevance Sanji is more important than Nami. That color walk you quoted came out 10+ years ago. Wings of the pirate king came out a few months ago.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Wings of the pirate king is canon for a reason. Plot relevance Sanji is more important than Nami. That color walk you quoted came out 10+ years ago. Wings of the pirate king came out a few months ago.

"Wings of the pirate king" existed since East Blue Saga. It was called "monster trio" in FMI Arc. None of this changes the fact the Romance Dawn trio is a thing. Blackbeard was planned from the getgo to be Luffy's ultimate big bad.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

"Wings of the pirate king" existed since East Blue Saga. It was called "monster trio" in FMI Arc. None of this changes the fact the Romance Dawn trio is a thing. Blackbeard was planned from the getgo to be Luffy's ultimate big bad.

Yeah and Blackbeard’s 2 most prominent members will fight Luffys 2 most prominent, Zoro and Sanji. The two wings who will allow the pirate king to Soar

 

[Garp the Fist]

”Prominence” is a pretty poor argument until we actually get some Blackbeard focus, which we have not had yet. Burgess is a more prominent BB Pirate than any of the other Titans because he’s actually had a role in the plot, even Shiryu is second to that. Overall Jack has been a far more prominent character than King. Kalifa was more prominent throughout the EL/W7 stuff than Jabra. Mr 1 is way less prominent than Mr’s 2 and 3.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Yeah and Blackbeard’s 2 most prominent members will fight Luffys 2 most prominent, Zoro and Sanji. The two wings who will allow the pirate king to Soar

Pizarro and Lafitte will be prominent in their own ways. Shiryu and Pizarro are the strongest Impel Down inmates (Pizarro didn't wear the prisoner outfit and wasn't mentioned by Ivankov). Lafitte was one of Blackbeard's original members.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Pizarro and Lafitte will be prominent in their own ways. Shiryu and Pizarro are the strongest Impel Down inmates (Pizarro didn't wear the prisoner outfit and wasn't mentioned by Ivankov). Lafitte was one of Blackbeard's original members.

Lafitte and Shiryu are BBs two most prominent members of the crew. They’ve gotten the most hype and the only person with more screen time is Burgess because of Dressrosa.

Shiryu vs Zoro
Lafitte vs Sanji

Nami will fight Pizarro as he’s also prominent but not as prominent.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

”Prominence” is a pretty poor argument until we actually get some Blackbeard focus, which we have not had yet. Burgess is a more prominent BB Pirate than any of the other Titans because he’s actually had a role in the plot, even Shiryu is second to that. Overall Jack has been a far more prominent character than King. Kalifa was more prominent throughout the EL/W7 stuff than Jabra. Mr 1 is way less prominent than Mr’s 2 and 3.

What I'm getting at is Blackbeard's initial four are his "prominent" members. Think of them as almost like Luffy's initial four, but not all of them are necessarily parallel (Burgess and Doc Q may go to Jimbei and Chopper). Shiryu (and Pizarro) is special for being the strongest Impel Down recruits. I can't see Nami not getting his initial four, and I can't see Pizarro being specialized unless he's up there with Shiryu as the strongest ID recruits.

Lafitte and Shiryu are BBs two most prominent members of the crew. They’ve gotten the most hype and the only person with more screen time is Burgess because of Dressrosa.

Kalifa had more screen and was introduced with Kaku as an undercover agents, does she have more hype than Jabra?

Nami will fight Pizarro as he’s also prominent but not as prominent.

Pizarro wasn't part of Blackbeard's initial four.