Questions & Mysteries Did Sanji actually win the duel against Queen?

[Desolate Smaug]

Queen deserved that because he kept playing around and did stupid shit like hit himself with two bombs. He stopped to get donuts mid fight and Sanji slammed his stupid ass. Not a clean win but nothing wrong with that.

This. Queen legit dicked around the whole fight. He never truly got serious. He was too focused on rattling Sanji based of his family. Didn't get to see the ruthless efficiency one would expect from a beast pirate tbh like he did when he defeated Olin. He was too invested in cheap side shows to the last panel

 

[Human D Luffy]

The attack has enough force to put Queen down and it's not like Sanji's struggling to hit Queen or anything. We also know Sanji can work around invisible opponents. Therefore, Sanji'd have won sooner or later regardless of the outside involvement.

This is not the discussion of this thread.
Most people would agree that sanji is at least a bit stronger than queen.
The discussion is whether the fight was won fairly.

 

[Garp the Fist]

It was the ending that the fight deserved

 

[Blother Fertitta]

I mean y’all want this W?
Queen was very trash as a fightsr
Funny guy tho

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Did Queen ever manage to dodge a single attack from Sanji? He is a fucking target, Sanji beats his ass 10 times out of 10 if there was any rematch

 

[Best_Biscuits_5]

In chapter 1035,after Queen was knocked out of Onigashima, we had a panel litterarely spell "Winner: Sanji" so I'd say Sanji did indeed win his fight with Queen

 

[Chrono]

How many times did Queen land hits on a distracted Sanji and failed to do anything lmao. Atleast if Sanji was aware of those incoming hits, we know hed be able to dodge. Queen dodging Ifrit Jambe is quire literally…..never happening.

Both landed sneak attacks ( if you even wanna call IJ a sneak attack). However Sanji was the sucessful one at the end.

 

[Finalbeta]

How many times did Queen land hits on a distracted Sanji and failed to do anything lmao. Atleast if Sanji was aware of those incoming hits, we know hed be able to dodge. Queen dodging Ifrit Jambe is quire literally…..never happening.

Both landed sneak attacks ( if you even wanna call IJ a sneak attack). However Sanji was the sucessful one at the end.

I mean he shot himself or else I would if Sanji could have survived Brachio Snake's grip in the long run

 

[Formerly Seth]

Duel.

Man's was just kicking and kicking until Queen couldn't be there anymore.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

When Sanji high diff Bon Clay and walk from his fight, no one bitching.

When Sanji two shots Jabra and walking, no one bitching.

When Sanji have to protect Nami from Absalom and mid diffing him in the process, no one bitching.

But when Sanji landed clean 13 hits (like Luffy vs Katakuri) and sending Queen flying through the sky, people bitching now?

"Muh muh sneak attacks"

Already debunked it on some other thread.

Like, sometimes I'm wondering if the Anti-Sanji faction knows what they're talking about.

 

[draganax]

sanji won, barely
queen was trash since his introduction, especially after o-lin damaged him more than she damaged hyogoro.
i'm surprised he pushed sanji to extreme diff.

 

[Garp the Fist]

When Sanji high diff Bon Clay and walk from his fight, no one bitching.

When Sanji two shots Jabra and walking, no one bitching.

Cause they were actual good fights.

Sanji vs Queen was dogshit.

When Sanji have to protect Nami from Absalom and mid diffing him in the process, no one bitching.

There was a ton of complaints about Sanji vs Absalom, because that was the real start of the nose dive from Sanji being a bit pervy around women on the odd occasion to Sanji being a full blown sex offender.

Sanji’s dream of invisibility is the worse thing that ever happened to the character.

Nobody cared much about the actual fight, which was a pretty bog-standard one (Zoro vs Ryuma was much cooler, Usopp vs Perona was much funnier and had character development that didn’t turn our hero into a creep)

But when Sanji landed clean 13 hits (like Luffy vs Katakuri) and sending Queen flying through the sky, people bitching now?

People are bitching because Queen was a self-sabotaging disaster, the choreography of the fight was shockingly bad and everything about “evil Sanji” was cheap drama.

Literally the only good thing about Sanji vs Queen is that he destroyed the RS. Which is only correcting the bad decisions that Oda made with Sanji earlier.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

People are bitching because Queen was a self-sabotaging disaster, the choreography of the fight was shockingly bad and everything about “evil Sanji” was cheap drama.

Literally the only good thing about Sanji vs Queen is that he destroyed the RS. Which is only correcting the bad decisions that Oda made with Sanji earlier.

That's not true. This fight was definitely lacking in choreography. Queen should have been more of a fighter but this had arguably the best character focus in any of the fights post ts, not just Wano.

 

[BidaPowersTV]

So the biggest W Sanji has gotten so far is beating queen.
However, context is king (no pun intended).
The final attack by sanji was inflicted upon queen when he was chasing after a woman and not confronting sanji.
Basically, it is like young kaido sneak attacked oden when someone distracted him with the face of momo.
In fact, you can even argue that Sanji's win is even worse, given oden was actually engaging the fight with kaido during that particular moment, whereas queen basically wandered off to chase after a woman and sanji decided to one up on him.

I have to disagree with that first of all the woman knew that place was dangerous and queen was at that place but she just have to really go there.

Second of all that time Sanji was pissed about what happen to that woman for two reason 1. Sanji thought he hit her and 2. Queen hurted her.

But to be honest with you Queen cant keep up with Sanji, sanji’s speed and strenght is enough to beat queen so even if that woman appeared or not queen’s faith is sealed Queen already stated that Sanji was so fast that Queen thought he was invisible who knows if thats true or not.

 

[stealthblack]

So the biggest W Sanji has gotten so far is beating queen.
However, context is king (no pun intended).
The final attack by sanji was inflicted upon queen when he was chasing after a woman and not confronting sanji.
Basically, it is like young kaido sneak attacked oden when someone distracted him with the face of momo.
In fact, you can even argue that Sanji's win is even worse, given oden was actually engaging the fight with kaido during that particular moment, whereas queen basically wandered off to chase after a woman and sanji decided to one up on him.

Same way is fair that kaidou fought 15 people before luffy that weakened him


It's Queens fault for forgetting about sanji and going after that w. and snake mode was not fair, no way You can Dodge IT since the surprise IT too big to react

 

[Garp the Fist]

That's not true. This fight was definitely lacking in choreography. Queen should have been more of a fighter but this had arguably the best character focus in any of the fights post ts, not just Wano.

The entire fight was cheap drama that brought nothing new to Sanji‘s character. We’d already seen Sanji reject Germa thoroughly on WCI. Sanji’s big character dilemma of the fight was entirely redundant. The reader already knows Luffy would prefer him as a chef than a soldier. Sanji already knows Luffy would prefer him as a chef than a soldier. That’s the point of the scene where Judge slates Sanji at the end of WCI and Luffy says “why is he listing all your good qualities?”

As I said, the only good that came out the fight was destroying the RS, which in itself was just fixing the mistake made in Sanji ever wearing the thing.

 

[Finalbeta]

Same way is fair that kaidou fought 15 people before luffy that weakened him


It's Queens fault for forgetting about sanji and going after that w. and snake mode was not fair, no way You can Dodge IT since the surprise IT too big to react

stealth, which difficulty do you think Queen was defeated with?

 

[Fenrir]

The people around these parts make my head hurt sometimes.

May I start by just pointing out that the entire purpose of invisibility is to get sneak attacks on your opponent? Like that’s literally its main combat utility. So in the first place this discussion is as pointless as it gets. If Queen had taken down Sanji in stealth mode despite Sanjin outclassing him in every other regard otherwise this wouldn’t even be a conversation.

Queen thought he could get away with fucking over Osome while he was invisible because he got away with it the first time when Sanji wasn’t focused up. Queen thought he could let his guard down against a guy who not only had the AP to damage him, who not only was too fast for him to remotely perceive in the first place, who not ONLY had a massive amount of experience in dealing with invisibility in general, but was also so proficient at CoO that he could aim for Queen’s neck specifically as soon as he made his intent known. And that’s on Queen, not Sanji.

And for his trouble he’s currently making a voyage to the moon to meet Enel. Osome or no Osome, Ifrit Jambe pieced Queen up like a slab of pork and for that Sanji was gonna win either way.

 

[Chrono]

The entire fight was cheap drama that brought nothing new to Sanji‘s character. We’d already seen Sanji reject Germa thoroughly on WCI. Sanji’s big character dilemma of the fight was entirely redundant. The reader already knows Luffy would prefer him as a chef than a soldier. Sanji already knows Luffy would prefer him as a chef than a soldier. That’s the point of the scene where Judge slates Sanji at the end of WCI and Luffy says “why is he listing all your good qualities?”

As I said, the only good that came out the fight was destroying the RS, which in itself was just fixing the mistake made in Sanji ever wearing the thing.

Not even the tip of the iceberg. You havent even looked at it deeper.

Sanji is dabbling with the idea if Luffy would want a cold merciless soldier who can defeat anyone, or himself that would lose to any opponent which is a woman. Prior to this fight, Sanji got his ass handed to him by Black Maria, got himself injured and nerfed, and wasted time being captured by her crew. However with the Germa boost he got new powers that not only aid him combat, but eventually allows him to gain the power to stop being useless in scenarios such as Kalifa, Pudding, Viola and Black Maria. Where hes at the mercy of women.

In turn of Sanji gaining immunity to his woman problem, he would have to trade his heart and morals all together. This isnt only a “Sanji rejecting Germa ideals“ scenario. Its Sanji literally debating which version of himself is better. And by the end of it he decides his current self, the man who was crafted by Zeff to be superior. Even with his flaws, he cannot lose the heart his mother gave to him….no matter how much more useful he could be. Thus by the end of it, he doesnt reject Germa….he rejects the possible “better version” of himself…destroys the RS which is a strong PU…..and decides to rely on himself to win.

Whether he turns into evil Sanji or not isnt really relevant. But Sanji’s resolve was to defeat Queen by himself before he turned emotionless and loses himself….something that he believes could happen to him.

 

[Human D Luffy]

Whether he turns into evil Sanji or not isnt really relevant.

Conclusion: no one cares about sanji