I know it's impossible.... but ....I keep thinking about Sanji flying with Zoro towards the rooftop --> Monster trio vs Kaido --> Luffy finishes him alone
I mean, unless you've seen No Country for Old Men, essentially every antagonist loses.
What people here are talking about are victories with consequence. Sure, earlier MCU flicks are run of the mill good vs bad. Id say everything up to Thor 2 feels like this. Some examples after however:
- Winter Soldier: Shield is Hydra twist, totally dissolves everything we knew about the MCU at that point considering people who were good in previous films were bad in that one. Bucky is a consequence of that movie. He lives but is confused/brainwashed.
- Guardians: they win, but at the cost of OG Groot.
- AoU: they win, but at the cost of Wanda's brother dying
- Civil War: Literally nobody wins except the villain. Zemo actually won. This was before Thanos. This happens because of what Bucky did to Tony.
- Dr. Strange: The entire 3rd act is anti-3rd act. Strange reverses the destruction caused. It's entirely unconventional.
- Spider-Man HC: Peter actually loses fighting Vulture. Only thing he does is save his life. Film has a huge plot twist on who Vulture is anyway
- GotG 2: They win but Yondu dies
- Thor 3: They win, but lose Asgard
- Black Panther: He wins, but not before making you feel like he lost someone important and distrusting his ancestors
- Infinity War: they lose
- Endgame: they win, but at the cost of 4 major characters dying.
- Far From Home: Peter's identity is leaked even though he wins and is framed for the villains murder.
- WandaVision: Comes to terms with losing HER Vision. The one left is a former shell with his old memories. He does not love Wanda anymore.
- Loki: Again, complete anti-3rd act. Almost no fighting, all character introduction for Jonathan Majors. Actually killing him is the huge consequence of phase 4. We have not seen what it leads to yet other than "Kang".
- No Way Home: Has the biggest consequence of "With great power comes great responsibility" that the films have ever shown, builds off FFH
Not spoiling that.
Now compare all of this to the manga you are currently waiting for spoilers to lol. I love one piece, but it severely lacks consequences. The MCU is known for providing decent consequences to their films starting about halfway into phase 2.
I personally don't get the "bad" writing or easy predictability arguments. Beating the villain is almost never the "main" issue in these films anymore, it's about the consequence of their decisions to address the main plot. They stopped being typical popcorn flicks after AoU in my opinion.
I normally like the MCU comedy, yeah even most of the things people say are cringey, but the comedy in Venom is really cringey to me, i don't know why.
And i don't really like the dialogues between Eddie and Venom in his head, Venom sounds really fucking goofy to me.
I don't know much about Venom in the comics, but i always felt like i should be afraid of Venom, instead i just find him ridiculous in those movies.
I'm also not a real fan of how much like black goo he looks like, too shiny, i don't know.
I hope the MCU's version of Venom that comes from that piece of the symbiote is more serious / scary.
And how many films are out there?
Steve defeated red skull then got stuck in ice for ages only to return and be the first avenger
GOTG work together with the power of friendship to defeat ronan and get the power stone
Avengers work together to defeat Ultron and Thanos in endgame
I know it's impossible.... but ....I keep thinking about Sanji flying with Zoro towards the rooftop --> Monster trio vs Kaido --> Luffy finishes him alone
I mean, unless you've seen No Country for Old Men, essentially every antagonist loses.
What people here are talking about are victories with consequence. Sure, earlier MCU flicks are run of the mill good vs bad. Id say everything up to Thor 2 feels like this. Some examples after however:
- Winter Soldier: Shield is Hydra twist, totally dissolves everything we knew about the MCU at that point considering people who were good in previous films were bad in that one. Bucky is a consequence of that movie. He lives but is confused/brainwashed.
- Guardians: they win, but at the cost of OG Groot.
- AoU: they win, but at the cost of Wanda's brother dying
- Civil War: Literally nobody wins except the villain. Zemo actually won. This was before Thanos. This happens because of what Bucky did to Tony.
- Dr. Strange: The entire 3rd act is anti-3rd act. Strange reverses the destruction caused. It's entirely unconventional.
- Spider-Man HC: Peter actually loses fighting Vulture. Only thing he does is save his life. Film has a huge plot twist on who Vulture is anyway
- GotG 2: They win but Yondu dies
- Thor 3: They win, but lose Asgard
- Black Panther: He wins, but not before making you feel like he lost someone important and distrusting his ancestors
- Infinity War: they lose
- Endgame: they win, but at the cost of 4 major characters dying.
- Far From Home: Peter's identity is leaked even though he wins and is framed for the villains murder.
- WandaVision: Comes to terms with losing HER Vision. The one left is a former shell with his old memories. He does not love Wanda anymore.
- Loki: Again, complete anti-3rd act. Almost no fighting, all character introduction for Jonathan Majors. Actually killing him is the huge consequence of phase 4. We have not seen what it leads to yet other than "Kang".
- No Way Home: Has the biggest consequence of "With great power comes great responsibility" that the films have ever shown, builds off FFH
Not spoiling that.
Now compare all of this to the manga you are currently waiting for spoilers to lol. I love one piece, but it severely lacks consequences. The MCU is known for providing decent consequences to their films starting about halfway into phase 2.
I personally don't get the "bad" writing or easy predictability arguments. Beating the villain is almost never the "main" issue in these films anymore, it's about the consequence of their decisions to address the main plot. They stopped being typical popcorn flicks after AoU in my opinion.
I think they stopped being that popcorn fare after 2013, honestly. All the MCU thematic analysis on youtube are unreal and show a lot of depth and preparation.
I'm already laughing, still can't believe people defend Marvel, the same studio that made Endgame, seems people can be served trash these days and still defend it as long as the special effects are top notch, that's fair enough too i guess.
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