[FNZ] Salem of Lies ToS - Christmas Special

[novaselinenever]

Also don't tag me.

Don't wanna wake up to 30 notifications in the morning

Claim before you go por favor

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[Mashiro Blue]

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I won't claim because that would be very anti town of me.

You should look a lhu and his reasonings first.

Mafia or coven fishing out Town roles and then claim "ah I was framed"

 

[novaselinenever]

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[Ratchet]

Try gw2 *cough*

Haha...

I miss FF tbh

That XIV looks lit

Endwalker made me cry Ali. It was sooooo good. One of the best Vidya experiences I've ever had. Just, man, I wish I could delete my memory and play it all again fresh.

 

[novaselinenever]

I won't claim because that would be very anti town of me.

You should look a lhu and his reasonings first.

Mafia or coven fishing out Town roles and then claim "ah I was framed"

Actually not claiming here is very anti-town of you. It's stalling the game, and ToS relies heavily on mechanics due to the close ratio and the chaotic roles. It's ok to claim in it, and we have protectors + a Transporter to assist you if your claim is that important.

Lhuz's reasoning will be looked at but it's irrelevant as you have to be solved as well.

Claim please.

Thanks Zemmi & Flower

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

I think your solving so far has been boiling down to mostly facilitating between players and bland questioning.

I am not sure I follow here. If by facilitating between players you mean going after more players then yeah of course I did that, I've had multiple people I've suspected. I am also not sure what you mean by bland questioning, I always question people that way.

I don't see much of a genuine initiative to figure out stuff, nor a real conviction even though you're one of the most active players.

I also disagree here. I've asked multiple people to explain themselves, claim when needed, and share their thoughts. I am trying to figure out stuff. And I disagree on the conviction part. How does that make sense when without me tagging the players and getting them to vote, which you can see in my ISO, we most likely wouldn't have even had a lynch at all?

You're playing a very safe and clean game that's just too superficial I find.

I am not sure how to answer this lol.

t's lacking the thought process and reaching of conclusions I'd expect to see, like you ain't got real skin in the game lol.

Such as?

hink your push and whipping of votes on AL speaks to that as well, it boiled down to mostly getting consensus votes and appearing like you want to advance the game then genuinely wanting AL dead 'cause he's scum in your eyes.

This is also not true at all lol. Cinera was the leading wagon, when I switched my vote on Al, whom I've suspected

Ali, AL, Cinera, Salu are on my naughty list.


Slight sus on TAC and Kagu.

We were stuck on a wagon that wasn't going anywhere, the phase was kinda dead, and people didn't care. I switched to AL, pushed it, got the lynch, and we got rid of a scum. I did advance the game, and advanced to a lynch of a person I suspected, and got it right.

Lots of your questioning and slight pushes have the same vibes like post #1,127 & post #1,394. You're engaging them like someone who's ticking the boxes of what's considered scummy rather than actually feeling it and getting even gut scum vibes from them. It's a mindset that I associate with scum, and that latter post always comes from them lol.

Which part are you referring to in the latter post?

That's basically my stlye of questioning people. I like to get them talking on the subjects that interest me, and I dislike parroting.

wait how
TAC claimed before zao claimed

I made a case on TAC before he claimed anything Usopp

Now that AL has flipped GF, I think it's time to look into TAC and yeet him tbh.

TAC has on more than one occasion defended AL and tried to nip in the bud any form of suspicion directed at him





As it can clearly be observed in the above quotes, whenever someone brought up Al-TAC was there to defend him. He has repeatedly shown resistance towards Al's wagon. I think I don't really need to elaborate any further here tbh, it's all clearly visible.





TAC doesn't stop there.

He, firstly, sets up AL for a claim.


Starts setting up alternative wagons


And then we have these 2 posts



Look at it. Just look at it. This man isn't even trying to be subtle about it. He's clearly setting up a counterwagon on Prof and giving Al a way out.

We've already had a myriad of interactions and info to be gained from AL's flip, but TAC is out here tryna start a counterwagon on a low post player who hasn't had nearly the amount of interactions nor thoughts shared on them while Al is a hot topic.



Ponders if anyone will CC Al. Good way to lure out the actual BG tbh if there is any, and remove him at night so not to get killed.


Makes this post

And then a minute later votes up Al


Follows it up when he answer Drago, who asked him what changed his mind that badly since he was very pro Al earlier


Follows up that post and responds to Rej that if no one claims they blocked AL he's gonna double down on him.

TAC here is clearly giving himself a way out and a chance to remove his vote. AL said he got rb'ed twice, Cinera later confirmed he blocked AL. TAC as Al's buddy knows Al was blocked, so he's cleverly giving himself a reason for removing his vote from Al.

And surprise surprise, he does that




Moving on.

Ekko asks him to explain why he thinks Al is town

To which TAC responds that he's merely against Drago's reasons, but we know that's not true from the quotes above. He's clearly been against Al's wagon.

And ignores the question about why he thinks Al is town.


And then look at this vote



Fujitora could see that this is a bus vote lmao.


Al's getting lynched. Attempts at starting counterwagons have failed. TAC cannot corroborate his town/townish read of Al. He throws this vote that reeks of bussing lmao.


In conclusion, the key points:
> Heavily against AL's lynch
> Showing resistance to it during multiple stages
> Trying to find an alternative and move away from Al at all costs
> Proposing a lynch on Prof who was very low post and devoid of any interactions
> Very poor reactions and votes when it came to the AL wagon



Vote lynch TAC

also if TAC is ali's buddy, the order should be ali then TAC, cuz we have a guilty on one of em, and the other could be exec

I am not opposed to an Ali wagon. I want him to claim and see what we can get there. My vote was on TAC, and Drago caught him making an awful post, hence I asked Drago to join me on that wagon.

light u really reaaly arent making sense to me this phase
u were so towny yesterday
what happened?

I am still town lmao. Nothing happened.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Didn’t ryu target prof though? So it was somewhat warranted I fee compared to others

has a potential of being consig
regardless ive been hunting maf too long, probabaly time to turn to coven

first was anyone controlled
we can start from there and see who might control them

or even better, who might control AL n1

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[Mashiro Blue]

Haha...
Endwalker made me cry Ali. It was sooooo good. One of the best Vidya experiences I've ever had. Just, man, I wish I could delete my memory and play it all again fresh.

That's the 4th expasion pack right?

So that's why you been MIA from the forums

I really wish I could play Ratchet. The way you're speaking of it makes me miss those days where I played FF.

Stories that touch our heart

 

[Nick]

has a potential of being consig
regardless ive been hunting maf too long, probabaly time to turn to coven

first was anyone controlled
we can start from there and see who might control them

or even better, who might control AL n1

“Put that cookie down!”

I mean end of day you were calling myself and drago mafia or coven who found al as arso

 

[Dragomir]

Now join me on the TAC wagon.

I like my vote on Odd, especially after this post of his:

Blah blah blah all day, cfd Don at the end

It absolutely stinks.

And TAC looks to be exe right now. Not a good lynch.

I was suspecting it for a moment when I thought BG was unique I even asked "DOES ANYONE CC BG?" because I thought I could catch Prof with it. He was also the one I wanted to lynch too.

But ya'll said it wasn't unioque and then told me the rules of the game.

Nah nah nah, there's zero benefit to me defending Al when he's sussed like that. I didn't try to shift blame to other players (much if at all?) if I was Al's teammate I'd of tried to push sus heavily on others.

You are an experienced tos player. You've even played the BMG version. How do you not know that BG isn't a unique role?

well there was a consistent wagon on him before everyone jumping on Al but i didn't really followed that phase so i can't say

You referring to Cinera? He claimed escort. Do your results match with that?

Lhuzu - Guilty on Alibaba
TAC - LO on Mango --> Don visiting
TAC - Transed twice
Light - Failed Action
Drago - Failed Action
Enryu - 1-shot Invest result

I don't really see Lhuzu and TAC fake claiming results here, especially the former. No trans shenanigans possible since Vet claim that don't visit, and Ali not claiming transed.

Drago & Light can't be Mafioso/GF + Poisoner 'cause kills on N2.

I think here we solved Alibaba first, then block Don + invest there. If they show up as the GF/BG/Arso invest results, it's a Mafioso turned GF confirmed and we're not lynching him ever. Jailing 'till end of times so no mafia kill anymore.

Thanks Zemmi & Flower

Check out my posts questioning TAC and give me your thoughts on them.

 

[Dragomir]

Also, has Alibaba not claimed yet?

 

[Nick]

Drago ignoring my post, sheeeesh sus

 

[Dragomir]

- still think people pushing al hard yesterday need to be looked at. They have a good chance of coven. A few (myself) have died already that aren’t coven so suspects are going down. Drago being a top one. Vamp reasoning was super weak itself and he only repeated he was first to push al and then let me push the lynch as he sussed me the whole time for it even though he kept saying he was leading the lynch which makes no sense and hella contradicting. A lot easier doing this as town.

This is false. I did not suspect you the whole time. I only suspected you way late in the day when Al was already the leading wagon. I had mention that I town leaned you earlier.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Now that AL has flipped GF, I think it's time to look into TAC and yeet him tbh.

TAC has on more than one occasion defended AL and tried to nip in the bud any form of suspicion directed at him





As it can clearly be observed in the above quotes, whenever someone brought up Al-TAC was there to defend him. He has repeatedly shown resistance towards Al's wagon. I think I don't really need to elaborate any further here tbh, it's all clearly visible.

TAC doesn't stop there.

He, firstly, sets up AL for a claim.


Starts setting up alternative wagons


And then we have these 2 posts



Look at it. Just look at it. This man isn't even trying to be subtle about it. He's clearly setting up a counterwagon on Prof and giving Al a way out.

We've already had a myriad of interactions and info to be gained from AL's flip, but TAC is out here tryna start a counterwagon on a low post player who hasn't had nearly the amount of interactions nor thoughts shared on them while Al is a hot topic.



Ponders if anyone will CC Al. Good way to lure out the actual BG tbh if there is any, and remove him at night so not to get killed.


Makes this post

And then a minute later votes up Al


Follows it up when he answer Drago, who asked him what changed his mind that badly since he was very pro Al earlier


Follows up that post and responds to Rej that if no one claims they blocked AL he's gonna double down on him.

TAC here is clearly giving himself a way out and a chance to remove his vote. AL said he got rb'ed twice, Cinera later confirmed he blocked AL. TAC as Al's buddy knows Al was blocked, so he's cleverly giving himself a reason for removing his vote from Al.

And surprise surprise, he does that




Moving on.

Ekko asks him to explain why he thinks Al is town

To which TAC responds that he's merely against Drago's reasons, but we know that's not true from the quotes above. He's clearly been against Al's wagon.

And ignores the question about why he thinks Al is town.


And then look at this vote



Fujitora could see that this is a bus vote lmao.


Al's getting lynched. Attempts at starting counterwagons have failed. TAC cannot corroborate his town/townish read of Al. He throws this vote that reeks of bussing lmao.


In conclusion, the key points:
> Heavily against AL's lynch
> Showing resistance to it during multiple stages
> Trying to find an alternative and move away from Al at all costs
> Proposing a lynch on Prof who was very low post and devoid of any interactions
> Very poor reactions and votes when it came to the AL wagon



Vote lynch TAC

just saw this

did u pre write this last night?

this doesnt change the priority btw. ali shud still go first. a guilty is absolute unless he claims something we can tangibly confirm, which would mean he was framed/hexed

you should be fine with either lynch anyway if both are scum. take the one with guilty first

if we have another jailor, execute TAC

easy

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[Dragomir]

And you finding my vamp reasoning weak doesn't incriminate me. Especially considering if I was coven, I would know for sure that Al isn't the vamp. The vamp reasoning was perfectly valid and I stand by my point. You may not have agreed with it but you still voted Al to put some pressure on him after I started questioning him, so you have to admit, it had some merit.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

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I really appreciate you,
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And how your generous heart
Your unselfishness displays.

I thank you for your kindness,
I will not soon forget;
You’re one of the nicest hosts
I have ever met.

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[Nick]

This is false. I did not suspect you the whole time. I only suspected you way late in the day when Al was already the leading wagon. I had mention that I town leaned you earlier.

That’s the whole time? That’s when I actually pushed. In the beginning I only voted and then pushed the vote alter in the day where you started sussing but you constantly posted you were the one to lead the lynch and stopped talking about him being vamp. Basically you road the train but tried to sus it at the same time. Also ignoring the rest of post also lame.

 

[Dragomir]

I checked, they do. Would have been a goated plan.

I think your solving so far has been boiling down to mostly facilitating between players and bland questioning. I don't see much of a genuine initiative to figure out stuff, nor a real conviction even though you're one of the most active players. You're playing a very safe and clean game that's just too superficial I find. It's lacking the thought process and reaching of conclusions I'd expect to see, like you ain't got real skin in the game lol. Think your push and whipping of votes on AL speaks to that as well, it boiled down to mostly getting consensus votes and appearing like you want to advance the game then genuinely wanting AL dead 'cause he's scum in your eyes.
Lots of your questioning and slight pushes have the same vibes like post #1,127 & post #1,394. You're engaging them like someone who's ticking the boxes of what's considered scummy rather than actually feeling it and getting even gut scum vibes from them. It's a mindset that I associate with scum, and that latter post always comes from them lol.

Thank you Zemmi & Flower

It's uncanny how you can read into posts like this. I could have never reached this same conclusion on Light.

 

[Dragomir]

That’s the whole time? That’s when I actually pushed. In the beginning I only voted and then pushed the vote alter in the day where you started sussing but you constantly posted you were the one to lead the lynch and stopped talking about him being vamp. Basically you road the train but tried to sus it at the same time. Also ignoring the rest of post also lame.

That's not the whole time. It came near the end of the phase. Before that, I didn't suspect you.

I don't remember saying I was the one to lead the lynch. I said that I was the one who first suspected Al, not that I lead the lynch.

 

[Dragomir]

"Also ignoring the rest of post also lame."

And you finding my vamp reasoning weak doesn't incriminate me. Especially considering if I was coven, I would know for sure that Al isn't the vamp. The vamp reasoning was perfectly valid and I stand by my point. You may not have agreed with it but you still voted Al to put some pressure on him after I started questioning him, so you have to admit, it had some merit.