Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1036 Spoilers Discussion

[BOCCHI]

A pretty much fresh King vs an exhausted Zoro fight ended in 3/4/5 minutes after Zoro learned AdCoC? It's impossible to compare with Kaido vs Luffy because
a) Kaido is stronger
b) Kaido is exhausted
c) Luffy is fresh
d) Luffy is on his 2nd AdCoC boost
These fights have completely different rotations, but if you damage King you can hurt Kaido, damaging Kaido doesn't mean you can hurt King.

Counter King in his speed form and you don’t need the level of power and haki skill to damage King. And Zoro was fresh and King was exhausted. You got it the other way around.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Luffy and Zoro are both Admiral level right now but would lose to Kizaru/Aokiji/Akainu

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Counter King in his speed form and you don’t need the level of power and haki skill to damage King. And Zoro was fresh and King was exhausted. You got it the other way around.

Wtf King showed no sign of exhaustion at all while Zoro was huffing and puffing and damaged when he unlocked CoC
Flameless King also survived CoC blows xrom Zoro while Zoro without CoC can damage Kaido

 

[Seraphoenix]

Luffy and Zoro are both Admiral level right now but would lose to Kizaru/Aokiji/Akainu

Based on feats they 100% can't.

 

[Mlzz]

One Piece power scaling Updated

Imu = 100
Joy Boy = 100
Ryuma = 99
Rocks D Xebex = 97
Gol D Roged = 97
Prime Whitebeard = 97
Dracula Mihawk = 97
Red Hair Shanks = 96
Prime Garp = 96
Prime Rayleigh = 96
Akainu = 95
Prime Sengoku = 94
Kaido = 94
Monkey D Dragon = 93
Blackbeard = 92
Prime Shiki = 92
Aokiji = 91
Kizaru = 91
Shiryu = 90
Prime Oden = 90
Fujitora =90
Big Mom = 89
Monkey D Luffy = 89
Roronoa Zoro = 89
Old Rayleigh = 88
Old Garp = 88
Old Sengoku = 88

Imu 100
Joy boy 100
Blackbeard 96
Roger 50
Xebec 45
Kaido 40
Base luffy 35
Primebeard 34
Shanks 30

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Not really a discord guy

Okay what is your tier list?

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Based on feats they 100% can't.

Agreed but I just believe they will have CoC.
Would be underwhelming ad fuck if most hyped up navy officers alive don't have advCoC.
I think admirals are insanely cool characters and I genuinely want them to face Luffy. It would be disservice if they don't.

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@Adam-san I am hardly even overhyped Zoro I am just stating his accomplishments
Once Zoro unlocked CoC he bullied King and cut his wing off.
How is King not strongest commander?
Aren't you overeating Luffy?
Its the manga where MC is hyped to attract strong allies, like pirate Jesus. If you argue for Luffy > Zoro you are fundamentally disrespecting not just Zoro but Luffy as well

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Imu 100
Joy boy 100
Blackbeard 96
Roger 50
Xebec 45
Kaido 40
Base luffy 35
Primebeard 34
Shanks 30

Ryuma >>>>>

 

[Adam-san]

But like Luffys strongest ability was meant to be able to attract strong allies. How can that work if his strongest guy isn't even barely pirate king level.
Luffy can't be a special captain If his RHM is like every other right hand man.

Don't you think you are downplaying Zoros accomplishments?
He unlocked Advanced CoC in a matter of minutes
Low diffed strongest YC1
Is one of the only two guys in history to permanently scarred Kaido
Blocked and tanked combined attack from two yonko
Made both Big Mom and Kaido shit their pants at the same time
Destroyed mountain
Unlocked Ryou

Bro i get it you love zoro but you are overhyping him a bit too much.
He didnt low diff King and I doubt king is the strongest YC1
Luffy unlocked Ryou sooner
Luffy unlocked COC sooner
Luffy made kaido and bm acknowledge him sooner
Luffy destroyed whole Island

Didnt zoro say he wouldnt follow a weaker captain?
Because it would drag him down
If he was stronger he wouldve left by now

Luffy>>zoro and thats fine
This is a shounen where the mc will be/is stronger than his friends

 

[Hades]

Imu 100
Joy boy 100
Blackbeard 96
Roger 50
Xebec 45
Kaido 40
Base luffy 35
Primebeard 34
Shanks 30

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Bro i get it you love zoro but you are overhyping him a bit too much.
He didnt low diff King and I doubt king is the strongest YC1
Luffy unlocked Ryou sooner
Luffy unlocked COC sooner
Luffy made kaido and bm acknowledge him sooner
Luffy destroyed whole Island

Didnt zoro say he wouldnt follow a weaker captain?
Because it would drag him down
If he was stronger he wouldve left by now

Luffy>>zoro and thats fine
This is a shounen where the mc will be/is stronger than his friends

No not that kinda shounen and quite frankly Luffy being stronger than Zoro fundamentally ruins his character and basically portrays him as your average captain.

 

[Adam-san]

Agreed but I just believe they will have CoC.
Would be underwhelming ad fuck if most hyped up navy officers alive don't have advCoC.
I think admirals are insanely cool characters and I genuinely want them to face Luffy. It would be disservice if they don't.

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@Adam-san I am hardly even overhyped Zoro I am just stating his accomplishments
Once Zoro unlocked CoC he bullied King and cut his wing off.
How is King not strongest commander?
Aren't you overeating Luffy?
Its the manga where MC is hyped to attract strong allies, like pirate Jesus. If you argue for Luffy > Zoro you are fundamentally disrespecting not just Zoro but Luffy as well

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Ryuma >>>>>

yea there is no debating with your delusions

 

[Mlzz]

Top 3 all time EoW

imu
Blackbeard
Luffy

the rest is just fodders

 

[Seraphoenix]

Imu 100
Joy boy 100
Blackbeard 96
Roger 50
Xebec 45
Kaido 40
Base luffy 35
Primebeard 34
Shanks 30

????? You can't be serious

 

[ShishioIsBack]

yea there is no debating with your delusions

I am seriously not sure why are you are so obsessed with delusional idea of Luffy being alot stronger than Zoro essentially disrespecting the author himself.

Tell Luffy Zoro is alot weaker than you and see what he tells you.

 

[Hades]

????? You can't be serious

troll post....

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Okay what is your tier list?

I pretty much agree with yours

Part of me wants to rank Luffy and Zoro a lot higher but I feel like that's just because we haven't seen much of the other top tiers getting really serious.

Oda isn't going to drop the ball with the admirals imo

 

[ShishioIsBack]

So Zoros feats
Low diffed a YC1
Permanently scarred Kaido
Blocked Hakai
Showed the most impressive Conqueror's Haki we have seen in the series
Blitzed Kaido while 30 broken bones.

Mean while Luffy has done fuck all yet besides sky split fan service yet we have to wank him to moon

Exactly why?

 

[Seraphoenix]

Agreed but I just believe they will have CoC.
Would be underwhelming ad fuck if most hyped up navy officers alive don't have advCoC.
I think admirals are insanely cool characters and I genuinely want them to face Luffy. It would be disservice if they don't.

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@Adam-san I am hardly even overhyped Zoro I am just stating his accomplishments
Once Zoro unlocked CoC he bullied King and cut his wing off.
How is King not strongest commander?
Aren't you overeating Luffy?
Its the manga where MC is hyped to attract strong allies, like pirate Jesus. If you argue for Luffy > Zoro you are fundamentally disrespecting not just Zoro but Luffy as well

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Ryuma >>>>>

If they face Luffy it will be as a group as foreshadowed at MF. He's pulled too far ahead. None of them is facing Kaido 1v1 in hybrid form, based on what deathbed WB did to Akainu.

 

[Adam-san]

I am seriously not sure why are you are so obsessed with delusional idea of Luffy being alot stronger than Zoro essentially disrespecting the author himself.

Tell Luffy Zoro is alot weaker than you and see what he tells you.

then why is zoro not fighting kaido? he did and kaido sent his ass down to play with the kids.
Kaido loves a good fight and Luffy is giving him exactly that. Big difference
Doesnt take much thinking to realize whos stronger.

 

[Kiiro]

One Piece power scaling Updated

Imu = 100
Joy Boy = 100
Ryuma = 99
Rocks D Xebex = 97
Gol D Roged = 97
Prime Whitebeard = 97
Dracula Mihawk = 97
Red Hair Shanks = 96
Prime Garp = 96
Prime Rayleigh = 96
Akainu = 95
Prime Sengoku = 94
Kaido = 94
Monkey D Dragon = 93
Blackbeard = 92
Prime Shiki = 92
Aokiji = 91
Kizaru = 91
Shiryu = 90
Prime Oden = 90
Fujitora =90
Big Mom = 89
Monkey D Luffy = 89
Roronoa Zoro = 89
Old Rayleigh = 88
Old Garp = 88
Old Sengoku = 88

Bad list.

 

[Mlzz]

Agreed but I just believe they will have CoC.
Would be underwhelming ad fuck if most hyped up navy officers alive don't have advCoC.
I think admirals are insanely cool characters and I genuinely want them to face Luffy. It would be disservice if they don't.

Post automatically merged: Dec 23, 2021

@Adam-san I am hardly even overhyped Zoro I am just stating his accomplishments
Once Zoro unlocked CoC he bullied King and cut his wing off.
How is King not strongest commander?
Aren't you overeating Luffy?
Its the manga where MC is hyped to attract strong allies, like pirate Jesus. If you argue for Luffy > Zoro you are fundamentally disrespecting not just Zoro but Luffy as well

Post automatically merged: Dec 23, 2021

Ryuma >>>>>

Ryuma = fodder