General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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Carrot arrives at a moment where Luffy and the other strawhats are maturing very fast. Luffy as you can see in Wano, is slowly but surely losing his first "spark" for the world (to understand what I mean, compare the beggining of Skypea and Wano). It's not lost, but it's not his main "thing" now.. and has the throne of the Pirate King is approching, Luffy might slowly but surely have to learn more and more about responsibility and the grand scheme of things. Even if he don't like that.
Carrot plays a role of refreasher to the story. Her view of the world in brand new, she is even more naive than Luffy at the beginning of the story. Everything that happens to her is experienced fully. Might it be Joy, sadness, excitment or adventure.
Carrot is the representation of twilight, the dusk and dawn.. The sun that meets the moon. This is shown both by her role and her personnality. In that matter, we THINK (I mostly lol), that Carrot will play a particular role in the revelation of the nature of the dawn for the reader. And we THINK thatthis revelation will ties to the Mink's curse (because we must not forget that, if Zunisha was indeed cursed away long ago.. the mink were on his back.. the the Mink were the ones banished from society). Therefore we THINK that Carrot's purpose will shift from "I want to discover the world" to "I want to discover the world and find a way to save my people"
In that matter, the story of Carrot will be a parrallel tothe story of Jinbe.. On that I'll write and article in a few week. There is a lot to discuss.
The showcasing of an ability like what happens in chapter 888, only happens to the strawhats (and a few characters with high privileges) So the actions of Carrot in those two chapter is indeed enough to check that as an indicator of her recrutment.
Remember, it was not only one panel, in addition, it was almost an entire chapter.
Also I want to add that the reason it's Carrot and not the duke, is all because of the now famous inherited will theme. Those guy had their shot. Now it's time for the next generation !
Carrot plays a role of refreasher to the story. Her view of the world in brand new, she is even more naive than Luffy at the beginning of the story. Everything that happens to her is experienced fully. Might it be Joy, sadness, excitment or adventure.
Carrot is the representation of twilight, the dusk and dawn.. The sun that meets the moon. This is shown both by her role and her personnality. In that matter, we THINK (I mostly lol), that Carrot will play a particular role in the revelation of the nature of the dawn for the reader. And we THINK thatthis revelation will ties to the Mink's curse (because we must not forget that, if Zunisha was indeed cursed away long ago.. the mink were on his back.. the the Mink were the ones banished from society). Therefore we THINK that Carrot's purpose will shift from "I want to discover the world" to "I want to discover the world and find a way to save my people"
In that matter, the story of Carrot will be a parrallel tothe story of Jinbe.. On that I'll write and article in a few week. There is a lot to discuss.
When you put it that way, and Carrot showcasing the power that was mention but never seen is enough to make you a strong candidate for SH... then we are going back around to pick up some people who went at the main villians
Remember, it was not only one panel, in addition, it was almost an entire chapter.
Please dont, just need a straightforward answer, what plot point carries Carrot over into the bigger scheme of the story more than the dukes? why is she front and center and not them?
Of course it's completely debatable. After all, those are just hypothesis (compared to the CarrotForNakama theory) really, it's just the best possibility we have right now if we want to tie Carrot tothe big worldbuilding..
BUT..
There is also the possibility that Carrot will have just a simple character arc. Right now I'm more leaning toward this. The story is leading us to believe that Carrot will joins .. that a taken but.. the story is also leading us to believe that Carrot might have some issue with her relationship to the "dangers" of the sea.
IN that context, I think that Carrot could be challenged again - later - on the exact words spoken by Perospero in chapter 1006
This would be therefore a much personnal journey, like Brook or Franky.
BUT..
There is also the possibility that Carrot will have just a simple character arc. Right now I'm more leaning toward this. The story is leading us to believe that Carrot will joins .. that a taken but.. the story is also leading us to believe that Carrot might have some issue with her relationship to the "dangers" of the sea.
IN that context, I think that Carrot could be challenged again - later - on the exact words spoken by Perospero in chapter 1006
This would be therefore a much personnal journey, like Brook or Franky.
thats why i stayed away from the position conversation, a sniper's job is to identify threats from a distance and eliminate them, thats what most say a "lookout" is supposed to do but with more importance
Not to mention that in one piece crew positions are not confined to literally one task, as the navigator, Nami records the crews journey (which is one reason i think log keeper isnt a real position for Yamato, bespite me being a supporter for her joining)
And as a Helmsman Jinbei has also shown traits of a rigger (someone who handles the ropes on an actual ship)
if every real world ship position was to be added to the crew then the Sunny woul;d need to be replace for Zephyr's ship from Film Z
Not to mention that in one piece crew positions are not confined to literally one task, as the navigator, Nami records the crews journey (which is one reason i think log keeper isnt a real position for Yamato, bespite me being a supporter for her joining)
And as a Helmsman Jinbei has also shown traits of a rigger (someone who handles the ropes on an actual ship)
if every real world ship position was to be added to the crew then the Sunny woul;d need to be replace for Zephyr's ship from Film Z
thats why i stayed away from the position conversation, a sniper's job is to identify threats from a distance and eliminate them, thats what most say a "lookout" is supposed to do but with more importance
Not to mention that in one piece crew positions are not confined to literally one task, as the navigator, Nami records the crews journey (which is one reason i think log keeper isnt a real position for Yamato, bespite me being a supporter for her joining)
And as a Helmsman Jinbei has also shown traits of a rigger (someone who handles the ropes on an actual ship)
if every real world ship position was to be added to the crew then the Sunny woul;d need to be replace for Zephyr's ship from Film Z
Not to mention that in one piece crew positions are not confined to literally one task, as the navigator, Nami records the crews journey (which is one reason i think log keeper isnt a real position for Yamato, bespite me being a supporter for her joining)
And as a Helmsman Jinbei has also shown traits of a rigger (someone who handles the ropes on an actual ship)
if every real world ship position was to be added to the crew then the Sunny woul;d need to be replace for Zephyr's ship from Film Z
On the ship Usopp's role mostly tranlate as a gunner
Luffy has shown the same enthusiasm at the beginning of Wano once Tama showed off her powers, and Chopper and Usopp are also just as enthusiastic at things they deem interesting. Luffy also says the Pirate King is "the freest man in the world" which is the exact opposite of being responsible. There's nothing to indicate otherwise.
Why is this necessary when the story is nearing it's end? Oda's been very consistent that he intends on ending the series "soon," and there isn't much left until the final war.
Why do we need a representative of "twilight" or "dusk" in a series about bringing new dawns? And if there were to be a representative, Momo would be more fitting given the symbolism that the moon has in Wano as a whole and that it's been mentioned numerous times in the story that the war in Wano will bring an end to the current way of things, a "twilight" of the current world, as it were. Carrot has also shown no interest in the dawn, even after it was mentioned by Pedro. There's nothing to indicate that the character will have any connection to the dawn storyline beyond the general connection the Minks have to the Kozuki clan who are interested in bringing about Wano's dawn. I would also like to bring up a point that I've mentioned earlier that Yamato is dressed as a Shinto shamaness who have ties to the Japanese goddess of the dawn in an arc all about the history and myths of Japan, and Yamato herself has mentioned the dawn multiple times in regards to both Momonosuke and Luffy, and would therefore be a more likely candidate as someone representing the dawn.
Why is this necessary when the story is nearing it's end? Oda's been very consistent that he intends on ending the series "soon," and there isn't much left until the final war.
Why do we need a representative of "twilight" or "dusk" in a series about bringing new dawns? And if there were to be a representative, Momo would be more fitting given the symbolism that the moon has in Wano as a whole and that it's been mentioned numerous times in the story that the war in Wano will bring an end to the current way of things, a "twilight" of the current world, as it were. Carrot has also shown no interest in the dawn, even after it was mentioned by Pedro. There's nothing to indicate that the character will have any connection to the dawn storyline beyond the general connection the Minks have to the Kozuki clan who are interested in bringing about Wano's dawn. I would also like to bring up a point that I've mentioned earlier that Yamato is dressed as a Shinto shamaness who have ties to the Japanese goddess of the dawn in an arc all about the history and myths of Japan, and Yamato herself has mentioned the dawn multiple times in regards to both Momonosuke and Luffy, and would therefore be a more likely candidate as someone representing the dawn.
The best criteria for lookout is like coby doing his job. He can use observation haki to detect underwater torpedo then neutralize it when escorting dressrosa family. This prove that it takes more than fancy devil fruit (viola's) to be lookout. Lookout needs haki, preparedness, guarding stance, (can swim is additional 👀)
Lookout do looking out for the threat. Pedro detain pudding the moment she say that she is BM's daughter. He has that personality to be the lookout and he has role as a guardian
Pedro epithet is tree top pedro. Irl jaguar sometime stay on the tree. But do you know that jaguar is cat that can swim and dive to hunt their prey 👀
Lookout position is reserved for Jaguardian pedro
Lookout do looking out for the threat. Pedro detain pudding the moment she say that she is BM's daughter. He has that personality to be the lookout and he has role as a guardian
Pedro epithet is tree top pedro. Irl jaguar sometime stay on the tree. But do you know that jaguar is cat that can swim and dive to hunt their prey 👀
Lookout position is reserved for Jaguardian pedro
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Here I'm mostly talking about Luffy. Now look closely at the representation of Luffy during Wano, you will notice that Luffy is not as enthusiastic as he often is.. even more so, Luffy is represented in a very different light. Mostly, grave, fierce and thoughtfull.
Being free doesn't negate responsibility. But this is up for debate I agree. And wrong, a lot of clew are indicating that Luffy is moving more and more with responsibilities.. The end of Marineford is a good example of that.
Carrot didn't appear at the end of the story but at Zou, being just before the Yonko Saga, we are far from "the end" of the story.
Because Oda loves playing with his themes that's why.
No.. Momo wouldn't be the best representation. Do you think Oda choose the rabbit for now reason ? Those little creature are litterally active mostly at dusk and dawn. It's all about doing a good milking between the theme.. Not only Momo is not a good representation, but he has other roles in term of symbolism.
Yes.. in regards to the dawn theme, Yamato and Carrot are sisters. They both represent the moon and the dawn symbolisms. And they are both inspired by the character of that famous japanese fairytale : Kaguya
Being free doesn't negate responsibility. But this is up for debate I agree. And wrong, a lot of clew are indicating that Luffy is moving more and more with responsibilities.. The end of Marineford is a good example of that.
Carrot didn't appear at the end of the story but at Zou, being just before the Yonko Saga, we are far from "the end" of the story.
Because Oda loves playing with his themes that's why.
No.. Momo wouldn't be the best representation. Do you think Oda choose the rabbit for now reason ? Those little creature are litterally active mostly at dusk and dawn. It's all about doing a good milking between the theme.. Not only Momo is not a good representation, but he has other roles in term of symbolism.
Yes.. in regards to the dawn theme, Yamato and Carrot are sisters. They both represent the moon and the dawn symbolisms. And they are both inspired by the character of that famous japanese fairytale : Kaguya
He still shows wonderment at Tama being able to tame animals with her Devil Fruit, he was ecstatic at seeing Zoro and the rest of his crew again, he was instantly infatuated with the idea of being a samurai and carrying around the Nidai Kitetsu. I fail to see how he lost his spark.
Also, his only responsibility is to himself and his friends, that hasn't changed. Marineford was only him doubling down on getting stronger so he can protect his crew.
Oda has been consistent that he intends on ending the series in the next few years. He even said before Wano that the series was 80% complete. While he isn't good about giving rough estimates on time, he has never wavered that Wano is leading to the endgame.
Why does the crew that is bringing about the dawn need someone to represent the opposite of that? Can you point to an instance where Oda did something similar?
I think that Carrot is a reference to the Moon Rabbit myth that exists in various forms in a few cultures. I think that is the reason that she was brought along to Whole Cake Island, an arc all about literary and folktale allusions.
How is Momo not a good representation? The moon has been tied heavily to Momo, the Kozuki clan, and Wano in general.
That's not what I'm talking about. Yamato is dressed as a Miko, who were purportedly taught by the dawn goddess Ame-no-Uzume. She even stripped in a similar manner to Ame-no-Uzume, and is helping bring the dawn just as the goddess did.
Also, his only responsibility is to himself and his friends, that hasn't changed. Marineford was only him doubling down on getting stronger so he can protect his crew.
Oda has been consistent that he intends on ending the series in the next few years. He even said before Wano that the series was 80% complete. While he isn't good about giving rough estimates on time, he has never wavered that Wano is leading to the endgame.
Why does the crew that is bringing about the dawn need someone to represent the opposite of that? Can you point to an instance where Oda did something similar?
I think that Carrot is a reference to the Moon Rabbit myth that exists in various forms in a few cultures. I think that is the reason that she was brought along to Whole Cake Island, an arc all about literary and folktale allusions.
How is Momo not a good representation? The moon has been tied heavily to Momo, the Kozuki clan, and Wano in general.
That's not what I'm talking about. Yamato is dressed as a Miko, who were purportedly taught by the dawn goddess Ame-no-Uzume. She even stripped in a similar manner to Ame-no-Uzume, and is helping bring the dawn just as the goddess did.
Of course, but it was not nearly the same level as the other arc. The treatment of Luffy is a lot more mature/done with much more maturity.. And this is logical, this arc (and whole cake) is the rise of Luffy as a real commander.
He didn't reallllly lose his spark, it's just burried under the present seriousness. And this is why the presence of Carrot in whole cake is so refreashing.
Yes, and Luffy is making more and more friends. NEver forget that with great power.. comes great responsibility.
Yes.. and 20 % is a LOOOOT of time to developp his story, he can pretty much do everything in that laps of time.
No, Carrot is representing both the daswn, twilight and dusk.. those are pretty much the same things. the passage between the light and the dark.
Yes, it is.
Not a good representation .... of that symbolism. Momo is a great representation of other symbolism and themes.. like the theme of fear, power and responsibility.. or the inherited will.
Yes.. i do not deny that.
That's just mean..
He didn't reallllly lose his spark, it's just burried under the present seriousness. And this is why the presence of Carrot in whole cake is so refreashing.
Yes, and Luffy is making more and more friends. NEver forget that with great power.. comes great responsibility.
Yes.. and 20 % is a LOOOOT of time to developp his story, he can pretty much do everything in that laps of time.
No, Carrot is representing both the daswn, twilight and dusk.. those are pretty much the same things. the passage between the light and the dark.
Yes, it is.
Not a good representation .... of that symbolism. Momo is a great representation of other symbolism and themes.. like the theme of fear, power and responsibility.. or the inherited will.
Yes.. i do not deny that.
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My reaction is same as carrot.
My reaction is same as carrot.
Its a new year, and the Carrot for Nakama arguments are still alive i see.
The truth of the matter of fact is that: without the canon support of the manga, arguing for Carrot is really a uphill battle.
Its like Sanji vs Katakuri all over again. You could give me a million reasons why, but if they aren't supported or present in the manga itself then it doesn't matter and is meaningless.
Carrot's been around for 3 arcs already, for around 200 chapters, and she STILL hasn't become a important main character and given sole focus in a arc.
Why didn't Carrot fight an important Beast Pirate like Yamato and rest of the Straw Hats, why is she still stuck in WCI plots?
Why did Carrot lose to Perospero?
Why was Perospero's defeat at the hands of somebody else (Nekomamushi who defeated him on their very first encounter) and not Carrot herself?
Why didn't Carrot fight Perospero alone?
Why was Carrot's defeat off paneled?
Why didn't Luffy come in to help Carrot when Carrot was losing to Perospero like when he came in to help Yamato with Kaido?
Why is Carrot's flashback just one panel and not even a page?
After Carrot's defeat by Perospero, why haven't we heard from her since? The Topi Roppo and the Calamities are all defeated leaving just Kaido and Big Mom. Zoro and Sanji have defeated King and Queen, the rest of the crew is regrouping, Luffy is fighting Kaido and Yamato fought Ulti, Kaido and is now helping Luffy relieve some pressure by trying to stop Onigashima from crashing into Wano.
Where is Carrot all this time and what is she doing? What has Carrot done to help Luffy in the Wano Arc so far? When will we see Carrot doing something important? Will these questions ever be answered?
It doesn't matter what role Carrot COULD play in the crew, it doesn't matter how sad Carrot's backstory COULD end up being, it doesn't matter how important Carrot COULD be to One Piece as a whole. It doesn't matter if Carrot COULD be tied to the Dawn or whatever else you can think up.
Newsflash: If it hasn't happened and doesn't happen, then it doesn't matter. Its still nothing but just hot air.
Trying to convince me that Carrot is joining the crew at this point is like telling the teacher that you did your homework but have nothing to show for it.
Until Carrot physically gets off her own ass and starts doing something substantial that we can actually visually see in the manga panels with our very own eyes, any talk about what she could do and how she could be important is meaningless.
Some people are really so far up in their own head canons as to think that if they just try hard enough, they can change the narrative in a story that they have no control over.
At this point in the story, there is more buildup for even someone like Caribou to leave with the crew by the end of the arc than Carrot. Both were introduced way before the Wano Arc, both have met Luffy. The difference being that Caribou was actually helpful in the Wano Arc in helping Luffy escape Udon Prison, and later on also helped Luffy recover by feeding him his food after he lost to Kaido. What has Carrot done in the Wano Arc in comparison to Caribou?
The truth of the matter of fact is that: without the canon support of the manga, arguing for Carrot is really a uphill battle.
Its like Sanji vs Katakuri all over again. You could give me a million reasons why, but if they aren't supported or present in the manga itself then it doesn't matter and is meaningless.
Carrot's been around for 3 arcs already, for around 200 chapters, and she STILL hasn't become a important main character and given sole focus in a arc.
Why didn't Carrot fight an important Beast Pirate like Yamato and rest of the Straw Hats, why is she still stuck in WCI plots?
Why did Carrot lose to Perospero?
Why was Perospero's defeat at the hands of somebody else (Nekomamushi who defeated him on their very first encounter) and not Carrot herself?
Why didn't Carrot fight Perospero alone?
Why was Carrot's defeat off paneled?
Why didn't Luffy come in to help Carrot when Carrot was losing to Perospero like when he came in to help Yamato with Kaido?
Why is Carrot's flashback just one panel and not even a page?
After Carrot's defeat by Perospero, why haven't we heard from her since? The Topi Roppo and the Calamities are all defeated leaving just Kaido and Big Mom. Zoro and Sanji have defeated King and Queen, the rest of the crew is regrouping, Luffy is fighting Kaido and Yamato fought Ulti, Kaido and is now helping Luffy relieve some pressure by trying to stop Onigashima from crashing into Wano.
Where is Carrot all this time and what is she doing? What has Carrot done to help Luffy in the Wano Arc so far? When will we see Carrot doing something important? Will these questions ever be answered?
It doesn't matter what role Carrot COULD play in the crew, it doesn't matter how sad Carrot's backstory COULD end up being, it doesn't matter how important Carrot COULD be to One Piece as a whole. It doesn't matter if Carrot COULD be tied to the Dawn or whatever else you can think up.
Newsflash: If it hasn't happened and doesn't happen, then it doesn't matter. Its still nothing but just hot air.
Trying to convince me that Carrot is joining the crew at this point is like telling the teacher that you did your homework but have nothing to show for it.
Until Carrot physically gets off her own ass and starts doing something substantial that we can actually visually see in the manga panels with our very own eyes, any talk about what she could do and how she could be important is meaningless.
Some people are really so far up in their own head canons as to think that if they just try hard enough, they can change the narrative in a story that they have no control over.
At this point in the story, there is more buildup for even someone like Caribou to leave with the crew by the end of the arc than Carrot. Both were introduced way before the Wano Arc, both have met Luffy. The difference being that Caribou was actually helpful in the Wano Arc in helping Luffy escape Udon Prison, and later on also helped Luffy recover by feeding him his food after he lost to Kaido. What has Carrot done in the Wano Arc in comparison to Caribou?
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I wish the main topic of this thread didn't always come back to Carrot 
We're really going into 2022 debating the same arguments people used 5 years ago so that it justifies her complete irrelevance for the last 4 years and counting.
Meanwhile Yamato gets new nakama arguments weekly and no one can properly denounce them.
We're really going into 2022 debating the same arguments people used 5 years ago so that it justifies her complete irrelevance for the last 4 years and counting.
Meanwhile Yamato gets new nakama arguments weekly and no one can properly denounce them.
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